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1 hour ago, Matt said:

Im just hoping hes fit and not a fat man 

on a serious note, I watched a film on the Manhattan project. Absolutely shocking that humans could create such a monstrosity. Has it prevented loss of life is the crazy question I ask, despite wiping thousands of innocent people off the face of the planet. 
 

awful to watch. 

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8 minutes ago, Hafnia said:

on a serious note, I watched a film on the Manhattan project. Absolutely shocking that humans could create such a monstrosity. Has it prevented loss of life is the crazy question I ask, despite wiping thousands of innocent people off the face of the planet. 
 

awful to watch. 

What was it called?

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28 minutes ago, Matt said:

What was it called?

There was a few, I had YouTube on, so it went from Manhattan project with the story of Oppenheimer and how he struggled with what he was part of creating, then there was one that showed the video by bbc where it shows people a recreation in Japan with people going about their business with the bomb being dropped and a timeline of events. Very harrowing…..

the days before colour tv wax created, we had a bomb that could vaporise humans within over one square mile. 

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8 hours ago, Hafnia said:

There was a few, I had YouTube on, so it went from Manhattan project with the story of Oppenheimer and how he struggled with what he was part of creating, then there was one that showed the video by bbc where it shows people a recreation in Japan with people going about their business with the bomb being dropped and a timeline of events. Very harrowing…..

the days before colour tv wax created, we had a bomb that could vaporise humans within over one square mile. 

It was and is an awful weapon, but the counter argument is that the number of casualties from invading and conquering Japan,both civilian and military would have dwarfed those tragic deaths. Also that the bomb would have been invented sooner or later. Better to be by a democracy. Interesting what if question. 

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1 hour ago, London Blue said:

It was and is an awful weapon, but the counter argument is that the number of casualties from invading and conquering Japan,both civilian and military would have dwarfed those tragic deaths. Also that the bomb would have been invented sooner or later. Better to be by a democracy. Interesting what if question. 

The Japanese at the time when the bombs were dropped were already pretty much a defeated enemy, the only reason those bombs were dropped was to force Japan to surrender and end the war sooner. 210,000 people died at the the time and many thousands more in the years that followed. In the whole of the war against Japan the Americans lost 111,600 men and women. Those costs more lives in that campaign than if the war was to carry on for another 6 months to a year, the Japanese were on their knees as an effective fighting force, with no Navy or Air Force left and a beleaguered army, but the Japanese culture forbid them to surrender even though the Americans tried to persuade them many times. In the end the decision was made to drop the bombs to try and end the war sooner and force the Japanese to surrender, but not as a weapon to save more lives than were taken. So you are wrong to suggest that the amount of casualties if the war carried on would have dwarfed those figures caused by the bombs.

 

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But the question that historians have asked is twofold. First would thecallues of yried to contain Japan instead of inade. The answer is no as the allies had said only unconditional surrender of Japan was acceptable. 

Second would Japan defend an invasion of their home islands. All the evidence from Japanese military and government documents and policies of the time was yes they would. 

So an invasion would have cost tens if not hundreds of thousands of lives, civilian and military. 

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40 minutes ago, Hafnia said:

Emperor Hirohito should have joined his PM on the gallows,  happy to see thousands of civilians killed because they don’t believe in surrender? 
 

Napoleon was sent to an island in the middle on nowhere yet he lived to 87….

He also escaped that island. Napoleon's story is fascinating 

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34 minutes ago, London Blue said:

Napoleon died in his 50s St Helena was wet, damp and he hated it. His first escape is amazing, truly a genius, really bad but a genius. 

I watched the ted bundy series, another psychopath…. He too escaped capture, very clever manipulative man.  He had the judge wrapped round his finger and played the gallery in court. Scary. 

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9 hours ago, Hafnia said:

Emperor Hirohito should have joined his PM on the gallows,  happy to see thousands of civilians killed because they don’t believe in surrender? 
 

Napoleon was sent to an island in the middle on nowhere yet he lived to 87….

He was a god to them not a mortal, it's hard for us to contemplate the society and belief system they had right up till the nineteen forties, it was still quite feudal and never to surrender and to die fighting for the Emperor was an honour. They treated prisoners of war with contempt and felt they were no better than dogs and not men, because you don't surrender you fight till the death. There were still Japanese soldiers fighting on until the mid seventies refusing to surrender. 

 

10 hours ago, London Blue said:

So an invasion would have cost tens if not hundreds of thousands of lives, civilian and military. 

100% not the Americans estimated they could end the war 6 months to a year sooner if they dropped the bombs, before they dropped the bombs they were suffering very small losses, but were fighting very time consuming battles from island to island, because the Japanese would not surrender, it was starting to become a war of financial pressure on America and they wanted it stopped as soon as possible, que the bombs. And are not 210,000 thousand manly women and children not more than you are talking about. 

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