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2 minutes ago, Shukes said:

Yes I don’t think he will be as good a destroyer as Gana, but he may be the different type of player that we’re looking for.

But your right, I have only watched clips of him and that doesn’t mean nothing.

Well it’s clear that he’s much better with the ball than Gana but that was a low bar to be sure. If the signing of Kean is true it’s well timed. Those who are disappointed at Idrissa’s departure will be distracted a bit by adding an exciting young striker. 

3 minutes ago, duncanmckenzieismagic said:

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2019/jul/30/everton-agree-deal-sign-moise-kean-juventus-italy

If that’s the deal it’s a spectacular bit of business. 

8 minutes ago, Shukes said:

Big yes for me. Strong, tricky, good in a tackle and good at linking up play. 

Not sure about this personality issue though? I don’t know enough about it to make an opinion.

Highlights make him look amazing, for sure. Nobody is likely to be the tackler Gana was but he’s certainly in a whole different class on the ball. 

7 minutes ago, London Blue said:

Second and final offer I imagine 

Yeah that's a big offer, particularly as it allows them to pay Man U less for the sell on fee. I can't imagine us going beyond that.

1 minute ago, Finn balor said:

Apparently he’s put a picture on Instagram of his footie boots with the number 5 stitched in. That’s not his squad number for Chelsea but it was his number for us

*Puts on tinfoil hat

2 minutes ago, Cornish Steve said:

But do we want to make a statement or break into the top tier? Wasting money on Bolasie was making a statement at the time. 

Little bit of an unfair comparison for me. Bolasie was less established and then obviously suffered a devastating injury. Who knows how his career might have progressed. I don’t expect Brands to be making moves just to get a “name”. Whether a transfer works out or not I think we can trust that they are making decisions in an effort to move up the table. 

13 minutes ago, Palfy said:

52m was rejected ups offer to 55m as you said Bill, cash no players in deal yet. 

I think it’s smart to  it add the players until later in the negotiations. If we started at 55m and McCarthy we wouldn’t have much room

4 hours ago, Aidan said:

He's doing an average job. If he was doing a good job we wouldn't be pushing for a starting number 9.

I think he’s doing a good job considering his age and experience level. You’re right though that for a side with top 6 aspirations in the toughest league in the world he’s just OK as a front man. It’s a tough ask for anyone given that in order to be someone we’d be satisfied with in that role he’d have to be a top 15 or 20 striker in the world. Nothing wrong with being a solid premier league striker but we do ultimately need a bit more than that if we are going reach our goals as a club. 

28 minutes ago, Matt said:

First sentence; so DCL. So either a massive financial gamble on this lad or develop one of our own. Both are gambles (one much less so than the other). I know which one I’d take. 

I like DCL and think he has a chance to develop into a very good all-around striker but I’m not sure you can equate the two. Kean is mentioned alongside some of the best U-20 talent in the world and he has been linked to some of the biggest clubs there are. It’s about as consensus as it gets around here that we need to bring in a striker and that wouldn’t be the case if everyone was confident DCL could do the job. You’re certainly right that it’s a gamble but I’m my opinion  it’s one worth taking. 

1 hour ago, markjazzbassist said:

he's no different than DCL for me, unproven youth, we already have 1 why go with another?  get mandzukic for 2 years for 12m or something and go that route with DCL learning and growing.  makes no sense having 2 unproven young strikers vying for your 1st spot.  we need a go to sure thing

The problem is who fits that bill? How many sure things are out there who significantly improve on DCL and would be willing to come to a club without European football? For me, we have to accept that the spot we are in necessitates taking a bit of a gamble. We aren't going to get the finished article at this point. We are going to have to focus on getting someone talented but young or a situation like Lukaku's where he was 3rd choice and angling for regular starts. Hopefully over the next 2-3 years we will have European football and a new, world-class stadium under construction. At that point we may be able to attract players who have less question marks around them. Until then I think we just have to trust management to make good decisions. 

2 hours ago, markjazzbassist said:

hell no, 35m?  this dude had 13 apps in serie A and he's worth that much?  no way.  still unproven in that league not to mention the premier league.  loan to buy with buybacks would be the only way i'd say yes.  we could be saddled with another niasse for all we know.

We don’t really have the ability to attract elite, proven strikers at this point. As such, we have to take chances on youth (like Kean) or players who are on the outside looking in at their current club (like Lukaku was). By all accounts this kid is a serious talent so I say trust management to exercise good judgement. 

I would guess a lot of it is to do with the various tournaments. Once some of the big dominoes fall everything else will fall in line, as usual.

Just now, Palfy said:

The point being as well we want to be better than everyone else not copy everyone else, and not worried that we aren’t improving because there not improving, so 8th or 9th it is then. 

What do you think solution is though? As has been pointed out, very few big signings have been made at this point. Remember we had nobody in last year until July 24th. I imagine our staff wants these signings in as soon as possible but wanting it doesn't get it done. As you know there are a lot of factors that go into transfers and we can probably all agree that getting the right players in is more important than a week or two of time. In my opinion, it's actually less vital we get players in early than most years, given our soft early schedule. If there is criticism to be had it should at least wait until we actually see what they are able to accomplish in the window.

53 minutes ago, Romey 1878 said:

I don’t need to. My opinion is that if DCL is our main striker for this season we’ll achieve nothing. I like him, I think he’s got good attributes and potential, but he’s not good enough to be the main man and I don’t want us to have to write another season off. 

I’m just trying to determine what the basis for your opinion is. We were very good with DCL up top for a long run of games at the end of  last year. I appreciate (and agree) that we need to bring someone in who is better in front of goal. I simply find your negativity puzzling given that we did have success with him in the squad. 

58 minutes ago, Matt said:

Because it wasn’t just him alone, which is why I get Romeys point even if I very much disagree

I agree that we need to bring in a striker but the idea that we can’t win with DCL up top is demonstrably false. We had our best run of form vs. top 6 competition in years with him as our striker. 

4 hours ago, Romey 1878 said:

If DCL is our main striker all season then we'll do absolutely nothing this season. I really like him and want him to succeed here, but he's not good enough yet (maybe never).

I'll nail my colours to that mast right now.

How do you explain our run of form the last couple months of the season with DCL up top? 

4 hours ago, Btay said:

Juve apparently interested in selling now.. Not sure how much longer Brands can wait on this one. 

Being able to buy outright is preferred, of course, but the buyback option isn't terrible. I imagine we'd make 10-15m to take him on for a year. If he's as advertised it might be hard to keep him more than a couple years anyhow. Better than a straight loan.

41 minutes ago, c1982 said:

Palace have been linked to McCarthy, Tosun, Bolasie and Niasse... we’ve been linked to Zaha... we’d only need to find another £100m and there’s a deal in there somewhere!

Surely we'd accept 50m.

32 minutes ago, c1982 said:

Fair point and clubs can quote Leicester whatever they want when they get rid of Maguire. The mistake we made when not replacing Lukaku before selling him.

I don't see how we could have replaced Lukaku before selling him. It's unlikely we would have had the money for any big time striker and even if we did it's difficult to attract players of that type without CL football. Beyond that,  it hurts our leverage in any negotiation if other clubs know we've already bought a replacement.

I wish people would hold off speculating on Delph's state of mind or what conversations they imagine he might have had with Marco or Marcel. None of us know what his motivations for coming to Everton are beyond what he's stated himself. Maybe he wanted to stay in the same area of the country. Maybe he wanted to play for a winning club where he had a better chance to start. Maybe we were the only club willing to offer him the wages he wanted. Maybe some combination of all of these factors and ones I haven't named. His role here will be made clear soon enough.

5 minutes ago, Aidan said:

United fan mate of mine today said he thinks we will have a good season this year. Thinks we could even finish above united. 

I'm not so sure. I think this season bare minimum would be 7th but I'd want us mixing in and pushing that top 5/6 all season. 

Because of the state of some other clubs around us at the minute this is our chance to actually break into it. 

We will know very early where we are headed this year. Our opening 10 or so games are very favorable. I would be surprised if any team has an easier start to the season. If we aren’t in a European spot after the first  2-3 months it’s gonna be a struggle to get there.

52 minutes ago, duncanmckenzieismagic said:

https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/man-city-delph-everton-transfer-16579446

 

City fans seem to have a fair amount of respect for him, all the ones I know reckon this is a great signing for us so personally I’m prepared to give him the benefit of the doubt

Didnt realise he was so injury prone though

Reading a bit on their forum I would say the majority opinion on him is that he was a very useful player who will be remembered well. Struggled with injury and isn’t likely to get into a side like theirs very much at this point but everyone seems to agree he’s a good character to have around and very much still premier league quality. Most were quoting prices £12-£20m a month or two ago so excellent bit of business for £8m. We get an experienced leader with some versatility who provides depth to our squad and they get a player they aren’t likely to use much who only had a year on his contract off the books. Doesn’t hurt that he’s English either.

1 hour ago, London Blue said:

Depends on wages, signing on fee and length of contract.

The fee is great, if we shift Besic, McCarthy and one of Schneiderlin or Gana.

Given the small fee I wouldn't think the wages should be too much of a concern. I see it reported as a 3 year deal which seems about right. I agree that this might spell the end for MS. I'd expect Besic and McCarthy to move on regardless.

23 hours ago, Palfy said:

He probably will be our number one striker again this season the way our transfer window is going, which if I’m being honest doesn’t fill me with much confidence in his ability to score goals. 

If I read correctly we didn’t sign our first player last year until July 24th and the vast majority would say we had an excellent window. A lot of players were gone for major tournaments as well. Patience. 

1 hour ago, sibdane said:

Split. If you're against Trump then you support her comments/stance and vice versa.

Agreed. This is true of every issue. During the election Trump famously said that he could “shoot a person on 5th Avenue” and his base would still support him. Obviously hyperbole but it’s not far off. He’s been able to convince his supporters that every bad story, every scandal is just lies from the liberal media who are out to get him. Once a person believes that there isn’t much anyone can say to change their mind. Even if other republicans turned on him (unlikely) it would just be seen by many as sign of a deeper conspiracy against the man. He’s already breezed past a dozen controversies and scandals that would have felled any other politician. Consider that just in the last year he’s repeatedly insulted a dead war hero, been accused of rape (his 16th allegation of sexual misconduct), stood up in front of the world and taken Putin’s side over his own intelligence community, refused to hold Saudi Arabia responsible for the brutal murder of a journalist etc.. None of it sways his base. Fortunately, (from my point of view), his base isn’t large enough to get him re-elected.