FairWooney

great to see such a spread of votes on a win, shows how well the whole team are playing.
This was a tough match and Palace look like a side that will trouble any team.  They are well organised, get stuck in well when they don't have the ball and counter attack very well and we managed to do what we had to do to beat them through an all round good team performance

flicked through this, so we're in agreement Dom should be benched next week for Tosun and Sandro should be brought in as first option to come on?  😅
If we create enough chances that he can afford the odd miss while still scoring every week then we're doing a good job.  He'll only keep improving his finishing the more he bangs them in.
You only have to look at how many chances Salah and Mane have and miss to know that a good side doesn't need to score every chance to be successful.
I'd be more concerned about Richarlison's wasted chances than DCL but I'm sure he'll start putting them away again soon.

Think I fell in love watching him in the first half today!  (I didn't get to watch all of the second)
The vision and execution in his passing is second to none and the difference it makes to the team is  huge.  He doesn't need to run around or take people on as the his team mates know that when he gets the ball they can start making runs and he will pick them out.  Richarlison as someone that loves to make those kind of runs must love playing with him.  Even the likes of Seamus and Digne see the benefit as they can confidently make those runs up the flanks without feeling it'll be a wasted journey.
When the ball gets played to him it's like the game slows down as he plays at his own pace but around him everything is happening as opposition players try to deal with what is to come.
The way he controls things without dashing around is reminiscent of Pirlo who stroked the ball around like an artist with his brush.

I don’t care what he does as long as it hits the back of the net. 

flicked through this, so we're in agreement Dom should be benched next week for Tosun and Sandro should be brought in as first option to come on?  😅
If we create enough chances that he can afford the odd miss while still scoring every week then we're doing a good job.  He'll only keep improving his finishing the more he bangs them in.
You only have to look at how many chances Salah and Mane have and miss to know that a good side doesn't need to score every chance to be successful.
I'd be more concerned about Richarlison's wasted chances than DCL but I'm sure he'll start putting them away again soon.

I'd imagine James can strike a pen.
I'd also like to see DCL and Richarilson backed to take them if they are competent (and they really should be) though.  If DCL wants to compete for top goal scorer he should be able to take pens if he can show he's capable of scoring 9 out of 10.

The plus to being in the league cup right now is it's giving game time to squad players.  We have 3 league cup games this month if we win against Fleetwood, it's like a more competitive and lucrative reserves match!
It helps that we've been given a very good draw in all 3 rounds.  The third round is more difficult but at home and very winnable.  I'd still go with a similar team for that game but maybe bring in Allan but for Davis in that game to strengthen the midfield.

The plus to being in the league cup right now is it's giving game time to squad players.  We have 3 league cup games this month if we win against Fleetwood, it's like a more competitive and lucrative reserves match!
It helps that we've been given a very good draw in all 3 rounds.  The third round is more difficult but at home and very winnable.  I'd still go with a similar team for that game but maybe bring in Allan but for Davis in that game to strengthen the midfield.

The plus to being in the league cup right now is it's giving game time to squad players.  We have 3 league cup games this month if we win against Fleetwood, it's like a more competitive and lucrative reserves match!
It helps that we've been given a very good draw in all 3 rounds.  The third round is more difficult but at home and very winnable.  I'd still go with a similar team for that game but maybe bring in Allan but for Davis in that game to strengthen the midfield.

Yes the financial return is great.
But I don't watch and follow Everton in the hope that we'll make loads of money, I watch with a hope that I'll see us win trophies.
Yes the financial return of top 4 and a run in the champions league is lucrative and will ultimately benefit you long term but I wouldn't sniff at winning the FA or League cup.
Also I believe that having the winning mentality breeds more success, going into every game with a good intent to win.  City may change plenty of players but they also put out a strong team including many players from the previous/following games league fixtures.  Because they want to win every game
Really we shouldn't need to argue this, with the squad we have we should be able to compete on all fronts with a little rotation and surely no one expressly wishes us to lose games.

I remember when my Dad first took me to Goodison Park. We sat in the lower bullens against Leeds United, I was so excited. I didn’t stay focused for more of the game, I remember reading all the advertisements around the ground but I was only little and got bored. The one thing I do remember from the day was walking through the cemetery, just as you come over the hill and the stands rise out of the ground with all that blue framework, my Dad says to me “I hope we make a good profit this year lad”.

Yes the financial return is great.
But I don't watch and follow Everton in the hope that we'll make loads of money, I watch with a hope that I'll see us win trophies.
Yes the financial return of top 4 and a run in the champions league is lucrative and will ultimately benefit you long term but I wouldn't sniff at winning the FA or League cup.
Also I believe that having the winning mentality breeds more success, going into every game with a good intent to win.  City may change plenty of players but they also put out a strong team including many players from the previous/following games league fixtures.  Because they want to win every game
Really we shouldn't need to argue this, with the squad we have we should be able to compete on all fronts with a little rotation and surely no one expressly wishes us to lose games.

Yes the financial return is great.
But I don't watch and follow Everton in the hope that we'll make loads of money, I watch with a hope that I'll see us win trophies.
Yes the financial return of top 4 and a run in the champions league is lucrative and will ultimately benefit you long term but I wouldn't sniff at winning the FA or League cup.
Also I believe that having the winning mentality breeds more success, going into every game with a good intent to win.  City may change plenty of players but they also put out a strong team including many players from the previous/following games league fixtures.  Because they want to win every game
Really we shouldn't need to argue this, with the squad we have we should be able to compete on all fronts with a little rotation and surely no one expressly wishes us to lose games.

Yes the financial return is great.
But I don't watch and follow Everton in the hope that we'll make loads of money, I watch with a hope that I'll see us win trophies.
Yes the financial return of top 4 and a run in the champions league is lucrative and will ultimately benefit you long term but I wouldn't sniff at winning the FA or League cup.
Also I believe that having the winning mentality breeds more success, going into every game with a good intent to win.  City may change plenty of players but they also put out a strong team including many players from the previous/following games league fixtures.  Because they want to win every game
Really we shouldn't need to argue this, with the squad we have we should be able to compete on all fronts with a little rotation and surely no one expressly wishes us to lose games.

Yes the financial return is great.
But I don't watch and follow Everton in the hope that we'll make loads of money, I watch with a hope that I'll see us win trophies.
Yes the financial return of top 4 and a run in the champions league is lucrative and will ultimately benefit you long term but I wouldn't sniff at winning the FA or League cup.
Also I believe that having the winning mentality breeds more success, going into every game with a good intent to win.  City may change plenty of players but they also put out a strong team including many players from the previous/following games league fixtures.  Because they want to win every game
Really we shouldn't need to argue this, with the squad we have we should be able to compete on all fronts with a little rotation and surely no one expressly wishes us to lose games.

we always get this argument over top 4 v winning a trophy.
while top 4 is a great prestige thing and getting into the Champions League is huge ultimately there is no trophy for it.
Arsenal consistently made top 4 under Wenger without ever getting back to winning the league.  While it would be great to be in that position I'm sure every Evertonian would love to see us actually win something, after all that's what it's all about really.
we haven't won a trophy in 25 years and if the next trophy we won was the league cup I really wouldn't mind so long as we win something.
 
On the flip side I do believe that some rotation is required in the cup competitions.  Not by changing as many players as possible as some teams do but by ensuring that players you want to give some game time to get it and those that could benefit rest are able to get it also.  Those that can make a a key difference if required should be available on the bench.
I'd happily see DCL, Richarlison and James benched tonight but they should be available if required to help us progress.
 

Yes the financial return is great.
But I don't watch and follow Everton in the hope that we'll make loads of money, I watch with a hope that I'll see us win trophies.
Yes the financial return of top 4 and a run in the champions league is lucrative and will ultimately benefit you long term but I wouldn't sniff at winning the FA or League cup.
Also I believe that having the winning mentality breeds more success, going into every game with a good intent to win.  City may change plenty of players but they also put out a strong team including many players from the previous/following games league fixtures.  Because they want to win every game
Really we shouldn't need to argue this, with the squad we have we should be able to compete on all fronts with a little rotation and surely no one expressly wishes us to lose games.

we always get this argument over top 4 v winning a trophy.
while top 4 is a great prestige thing and getting into the Champions League is huge ultimately there is no trophy for it.
Arsenal consistently made top 4 under Wenger without ever getting back to winning the league.  While it would be great to be in that position I'm sure every Evertonian would love to see us actually win something, after all that's what it's all about really.
we haven't won a trophy in 25 years and if the next trophy we won was the league cup I really wouldn't mind so long as we win something.
 
On the flip side I do believe that some rotation is required in the cup competitions.  Not by changing as many players as possible as some teams do but by ensuring that players you want to give some game time to get it and those that could benefit rest are able to get it also.  Those that can make a a key difference if required should be available on the bench.
I'd happily see DCL, Richarlison and James benched tonight but they should be available if required to help us progress.
 

we always get this argument over top 4 v winning a trophy.
while top 4 is a great prestige thing and getting into the Champions League is huge ultimately there is no trophy for it.
Arsenal consistently made top 4 under Wenger without ever getting back to winning the league.  While it would be great to be in that position I'm sure every Evertonian would love to see us actually win something, after all that's what it's all about really.
we haven't won a trophy in 25 years and if the next trophy we won was the league cup I really wouldn't mind so long as we win something.
 
On the flip side I do believe that some rotation is required in the cup competitions.  Not by changing as many players as possible as some teams do but by ensuring that players you want to give some game time to get it and those that could benefit rest are able to get it also.  Those that can make a a key difference if required should be available on the bench.
I'd happily see DCL, Richarlison and James benched tonight but they should be available if required to help us progress.
 

I could see DCL becoming a 20 a season player.
I also think Richarlison could get 15-20 with the kind of service he was getting from James at the weekend.  He found so much space out there and can run at the last man and pick off the shot.  I think he will really be aided by having a stronger midfield in front of him and should cut a less frustrated figure.
I'd expect 10 goals from James from his quality and the positions he was taking up.
That could be a decent return from those 3, then you have the goals chipped in by the defenders and Doucoure and the backup players like Bernard, Gordon (hopefully), Sigurdson (maybe).  Gomez doesn't put many away but he can hopefully chip in with a couple.
I don't really think he'll win it but 80/1 with Bet365 on DCL winning golden boot is a massive price in my eyes.

I still don't see that type of return from DCL (20), albeit it is certainly a lot more likely given the players around him now. His best way of scoring that many goals is being able to win headers like he did against Spurs because that is his best asset.
Bearing in mind he scored a goal almost over the line and one blocked keeper clearance last year he scored 13 goals and he should have still scored 3.62 more goals based on his stats from open play. That doesn't include the times when he should have got off a shot but didn't. Of the top 5 players in the scoring charts last season only Salah under performed from open play scoring 1.66 less goals than he should have from open play. The others who were Vardy (over performed by 4.6 goals) Aubamayang (4.42 goals), Ings (6.46 goals) and Sterling (2.40) were all comfortably outperforming their position and more importantly, they have a history of doing so.
Richarlison on the other hand scored 4.21 goals more than he should have last season and has outperformed his position in open play since joining Everton. Interestingly Kean outperformed his stats at Juventus but under performed here last season. Personally I would want a lot bigger odds on DCL for all that he really should beat last seasons haul.
 

James looks like a wax work, we sure that lad hasn't knicked him from the Columbian Madame Tusauds?! 

I'd agree, striker and midfield wise I think we're fine for now, defensively we're short, even if Kenny is rated enough to get a go with Coleman at right back and the other lad we brought in on the left is suitable backup we saw at the end of last season how short we were on centre backs.  Mina has his fair share of injuries and we don't really have anyone to step in if 2 of them got injured.
Unlike many i'm happy to give Pickford another season but a quality second choice who you could throw in to make him realise he can't coast along would definitely be good.

I'd agree, striker and midfield wise I think we're fine for now, defensively we're short, even if Kenny is rated enough to get a go with Coleman at right back and the other lad we brought in on the left is suitable backup we saw at the end of last season how short we were on centre backs.  Mina has his fair share of injuries and we don't really have anyone to step in if 2 of them got injured.
Unlike many i'm happy to give Pickford another season but a quality second choice who you could throw in to make him realise he can't coast along would definitely be good.

I'd agree, striker and midfield wise I think we're fine for now, defensively we're short, even if Kenny is rated enough to get a go with Coleman at right back and the other lad we brought in on the left is suitable backup we saw at the end of last season how short we were on centre backs.  Mina has his fair share of injuries and we don't really have anyone to step in if 2 of them got injured.
Unlike many i'm happy to give Pickford another season but a quality second choice who you could throw in to make him realise he can't coast along would definitely be good.