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2 hours ago, Romey 1878 said:
I'm shocked ...
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2 hours ago, Hafnia said:Well if you want to define extreme polarities take the performances against Burnley and Chelsea (2 of the worst I have seen from Everton in 40 years) and compare them to the Derby and Forest.
Its to dyches credit and the players that they recognised the severity of the situation and did something about it.
The one thing I can say Matt is my barometer doesn't shift immediately and drastically like many. I give people a good chance before going both ways. The issues I spoke of in the 4 game run are still there, let's not get all giddy and pretend we don't have a side who look so poorly coached that they look off balance, flat footed and make up the passing as they go along. The coaching of the players is as bad as it was with Rafa.
As for potential managers, Matt - we pay managers at the top end of the scale. If a manager signs for Everton he is essentially being told "it's £15m guaranteed". Managers back themselves - most prefer a job where there is work to do where they can see quick wins to get credit in the bank and put them in a position of strength. Take the football managers yellow pages - 90% of them would be interested in managing our club.
if we survive this season I will be grateful to dyche and consider him a good hire. Yeah - breaking Mike walkers record isn't great but it is what it is, most fans tolerated that because what other option do we have? Baines and the other coaches.
my hope is that our clubs future becomes sorted as soon as survival is secured - if I was a bidder I wouldn't move till I knew that we weren't losing £100m next year. Depending on how that looks will define dyches future.
if it's a "you haven't got much money to spend" then I expect him to stay and see us leave goodison. I don't expect him to see us move to Bramley.
Well your tone has gone from "hang him from his ginger bollocks, he's a bully, he's the worst" (paraphrasing, not looking for direct quotes) to patting him on the back for a job done after a couple of wins and saying he'll have done his job... But you're right, you're usually frustratingly stuck to your position don't get me wrong, this version of posting is a lot more desirable!
Fair enough but that's more appealing to mercenaries, no? We've seen that enough over the last few years and that's more of a worrying proposition in my view; it's a large part of of the reason we are where we are. But we've done that part to death already.
See, I do see us needing him for another 2-3 years, unfortunately. Not because I want him to even though I think he could do more and deserves that chance. There's so much still going on which is going to take a lot longer than 12-14 months. When I've done Continuous Excellence implementations, for example, the sponsors and board understood that to change mentality whilst rolling with life's punches was a 10-20 year project. Partly due to external factors, but mostly down to staff churn - very hard to change a mindset of a group if you keep chopping and changing the mission and staff, almost impossible if you're constantly switching the team lead.
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2 hours ago, Shukes said:
I don’t think people suggest those players are troublemakers Haf, but just that they are the same players that countless other managers have had at the club and not been able to get to perform.
Dyche is by no means the answer, but I believe he has the ability to stabilise and build a good solid base. This is what we need at the club right now.
It’s not just about the players either, it’s the structure behind the scenes as well.
Make us a viable option for up and coming managers to think of us as a good option.Exactly. I'm thinking of Dyche as a more palatable and capable Fat Sam. Pure practicality to solve immediate issues, that's it. We don't know if Dyche can be more expansive because he's never had a budget or the squad. When he has he signed Defour, so I think he wants to be more than he is, he just sticks with what he knows for now because that's the best this squad is capable of since they've continually failed at the basics for large parts of the season (still an improvement on the previous 2 seasons!)
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11 hours ago, Hafnia said:
The short of it is - he's limited. I championed him coming in so I don't need to learn about why we need him. I understand he's a firefighter.
I'm responding to the suggestion that he couldnt be expected to do more with the players that he has. I think it's quite clear that the players have had their say and given some candid feedback as he confirmed himself... fair play for him to do that. I think it was last chance saloon though. It's not a case of expecting him to become something he isn't - it's about being less rigid, less predictable. He was doing the same thing match after match, the players looked beaten, the fans completely frustrated. It's not our best Everton side - but they aren't that shit to make them play like 1980s Cambridge United.
I've not been too high on him and haven't been too low on him. The overreaction to our 4 game run was a bit cringey if I'm honest. He justifiably could have gone after palace at home. The fact that fans haven't kicked off more is a credit.
I said in another post that he's done what it says on the tin, for that he can be thanked. Its not for us as fans to say who is good enough to replace him - yeah we could all go and plagiarise some footy hipsters review of some unknown South American league 2 manager who plays a new 33232 formation and will be the next city manager. Thats not our job but there are managers out there who would be chomping at the bit to manage in the PL.
I always laugh when you make his point. You're the poster with the most extreme posts in both ways, positive and critical, in my eyes
He's absolutely a firefighter and the club is still on fire. Ironically, it's the only part of the club thats actually improved! I really don't see that settling next season or the season after after to be honest. With a change of owners coming, with a change of home, fire sale of the squad coming... I ask who, again, would be crazy enough and good enough to get this team performing better than a mid table club? I know you can't or don't want to name names but my point is that if you're so clear on the problems, I would assume there'd be some ideas about how or who to fix them would.
I'm not aiming to dig or tease here. Genuinely curious to hear about alternatives as I keep hearing this complaint about things not being good enough but with no ideas on how to improve. Things like passing and finishing is 100% on the players, the manager isn't on the pitch and is putting tactics in place that has dramatically improved our defence whilst creating a lot more chances. I've no idea who does a better job with this squad in this situation.
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1 minute ago, Romey 1878 said:
You expanded on my shorter post perfectly.
Been typing it for 30 minutes but kept getting interrupted, hadn't even seen yours
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9 minutes ago, Hafnia said:So international footballers can't be expected to pass a ball?
sorry Matt, talking nonsense not talking about him playing like city, I'm talking about working on creating a couple of overloads here and there.
How is the ability of the international footballers to pass a ball on Dyche? Unless you think he's actively coaching them to be shit passers?
You don't want him here, you've made that clear in pretty much every thread since December, don't remember much prior to that. Meanwhile, I think he's progressed us quite a bit, despite the turmoil around the club, and think he deserves a crack with better players. You haven't managed to convince me until now that there is a better solution, I don't see anything has changed except we won our first home Derby in 14 years, have kept 11 clean sheets, have the 4th best defensive record in the league and should be sitting on a minimum of 41 points. Comparing that versus the last 2 seasons with pretty much the same squad, arguably weaker, and all the noise, that's impressive. Far from good enough, but a massive positive trend.
Realistically speaking there's 2 options for next season in my eyes:
1) PSR/FFP will continue to screw us over meaning the squad isn't going to be improved upon and, whilst it's mostly ugly, Dyche has got us progressing in the right direction during these very challenging circumstances. So why change?
2) We're somehow allowed to buy players but still have to be careful with spending, probably more bargain shopping as most sales profits will go to the books. Would you want a new manager in for that? Potentially and with good reasons. People (moreso than players I imagine) could say Dyche can't attract the players we want, let alone could potentially afford. But then who? I accept that we're still attractive with our history and the new stadium, but who takes us further than the last day relegation escapes to a midtable seaonal performance with less options and more pressure? I don't think we'd see this squad go on to a top 8 squad with anyone else, but who knows. Personally I don't think it's a gamble we need to take next season. I think, harsh as it is, that he gets 1 more season and if he doesn't improve further then we've a new manager for the new stadium. That's probably the best we can hope for with all things considered.
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Just now, Hafnia said:
Take Everton out the equation - If I was Sean Dyche I wouldn't change what I do, if I was a member of his family/coaching team I would say "why are you changing a product that there will always be a need for to appease one customer who wants something better".
its like a golfer with an ugly swing that hits it 50 yards shorter than everyone else..... doesn't win anything, doesn't get people watching him but he makes the cut at most tournaments and pulls in a few million a year and lives a great luxury life. There will be people saying "make these changes to your swing and you will hit it longer and get lower scores and maybe win something"......... seen it a million times before - golfer gets lost in what they are being taught, it feels alien, they lose confidence and they lose their tour card and with that millions of pounds.
it sounds like I'm making the case to keep dyche and his tactics - I'm not. I'm advocating hiring a manager who can coach a side to be a better team who can actually dominate and win games. Dyche when he leaves us will get the likes of Leicester, Leeds, or clubs being relegation threatened offering him good wages and hefty survival bonuses - because he will do the ugly stuff better than most like Allardyce.
For me dyche isn't the manager to take us to where we want to be but he has stopped us going where we don't want to be. Thats fine, but I don't think he is the type of person to become expensive. It's not him.
Expansive? Either way, he's never had a budget or squad capable of much more than we're seeing. I'm still curious.
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9 hours ago, Matt said:
Is that real? Are we pretty much safe, 8 points clear, with 4 games to go? Did we just send Klopp off with the best goodbye? Did we keep a clean sheet against them and not get fucked by VAR?
I really don't know what to make of all that, I need to go lie down...
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8 hours ago, Hafnia said:
Fairs fair.... we had near 4 months of dross. The forum got red hot when people were looking at extending his contract.... let's not pretend it's been a knee jerk reaction. We've had a good week.
im not convinced - these players as i have said repeatedly can deliver more. He said home truths were delivered on both sides - I certainly think this was the case.
but - his expectation is to deliver survival and that was the highlight of an otherwise dreary season.
We did have months of dross. It's been a weird season; we had 10 games of UEFA level form and 15 of relegation form. But the goal for this season was improvement and stability. Dunno about the stability, but I still put most of that on the players. But 41 points is the minimum we should be on, a mid table performance after the previous 2 years is a massive achievement. Not been achieved in a pretty way, it's awful to watch for the most part. But we wanted safety before the last game of the season, we wanted an improvement on our league position and he's delivered that in spite of the worst the club has been in since Johnson days.
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2 hours ago, Shukes said:
He’s not injured.
He's recovering from a serious injury though.
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30 minutes ago, Matt said:
It's been a fucking ride but with 4 games remaining, that's progress right? Keeping in mind we should be tied with Palace (same W/D/L and GD) in 14th and sitting comfortably.
Correction, we should be on 41 points, I forgot about the 2nd charge
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You think that's bad? We'll have half of them for next season if we're lucky and no budget to improve for a couple of windows. The thin squad is about to be turned into graphene. Just hope it's as tough and durable!