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On 29/04/2023 at 13:56, Palfy said:

Gray 6 McNeil 5, and Gray’s goals have been game changers they’ve helped win us points for me that’s what I class as game changing. Out of interest who do you think should be playing in front of him that will get goals to help keep us up, we need the players in the team that give you the best chance of a goal, you can’t keep moaning we can’t score goals yet leave your best options out. 

Gray has 4 league goals, 2 of them pens.

Gray can change games, like he did against City but he also pisses chances up the wall like he does every other game.

Iwobi is more creative than Gray and he now has the same amount of goals. He also works harder. Personally I would mix and match between those two but its not like either one of them will be the saviour, it will be much of a muchness.

On 30/04/2023 at 09:38, Btay said:

And yet, he scored twice. I completely respect you're impression I go off what I see as stats don't always portray the whole story. In the opening 20 minutes when we were all over them I counted 4 contested balls between Wilson and our CB's of which he came away with the ball 3 times, one was an occasion when Tarks won a header but played straight into Wilson who gained possession. Also in this time he was nearly through on goal from a basic long ball which caught Keane out (Godfrey to his credit covered well). The start of the game our midfield dominated with their high intensity approach & as soon as they ran out of steam Newcastle exposed how bad our defenders are.

Whoever plays in the backline for Leicester I hope they are at it because we won't be winning any games we concede 4 goals.

The first Wilson goal had nothing to do with Keane, the second I think he stood too far off but the reason he was in that position is because we were up against the counter attack.

I just checked the stats again and according to Whoscored, Wilson had 11 touches in the first 20 minutes. 5 passes, 3 unsuccessful touches, 2 tackled and loses possession and 1 offside. I haven't watched the game back to see what really happens so I can only go off those stats but at best it is a balanced duel between Wilson and our players.

I disagree with the ball (if it is the one I am thinking of). Keane wasn't caught out, he just couldn't reach it and Godfrey should have been on the cover as that is his job in that position.

On 30/04/2023 at 11:38, Palfy said:

Equally I can’t believe people can’t see his weaknesses, when it comes to team selection and making tactical changes in play when we are desperate for a freshening up or a different direction, he’s not proactive during game time, and is even slow at being reactive, I find that very concerning and difficult to get on board with. Whether the players are good enough or up for it doesn’t excuse his inability to make the decisions, he new what he was signing up for and convinced those who appointed him he could turn it around and save our season, well let’s see managerial input to make that happen because he’s been badly caught wanting in the last 5 games. And tell me if you think he was right in picking Godfrey over Patterson, not playing or introducing Gray our top scorer, and making no substitutions until the game was beyond us. If you think that’s how manager who knows we need something out of the last few games should react then enjoy your rewards. 

Dyche changed tactics in both the United and Fulham games and we got back into them both. He also made changes in the Leicester game, moving us more onto the back foot and hitting them on the counter which was working.

On 30/04/2023 at 15:42, plaidharper said:

Everyone on Sean about subs... let's get it right, we have the worst bench in the league.

Sometimes change for change sake works... but sometimes shite is shite.

 

This.

There is a massive section of football fans that seem to assume that the player that isn't playing is better than the one on the pitch. Sometimes new faces and new energy can work, other times they do not get up to the speed of the game and have little impact. When we have made subs, have any of them really come on to change the game in any way? I can't think of many, only Simms against Chelsea.

3 hours ago, Romey 1878 said:

I'm not sure he'll give a shit who plays tbh because it's not like Mina or Coady are quick enough to deal with quick, nimble players either. We do not have a single CB that can deal with footballer's.

Like I've said many times, we have a stock of CB's that just aren't very good. You don't need all of your CB's to be quick or anything, but you must be able to partner them with someone that is. All of ours are a much of a muchness.

The one CB we had that was quick is Ben Godfrey, and he has now lost that pace and has never had the positional sense to be able to play there anyway.

Fucks sake, our recruitment is shite.

This.

Mina and Coady are more immobile than Keane. Mina is more aggressive and Coady is better on the ball but slower and weaker. Less said about Godfrey and Holgate the better.

Any one of those mentioned may come in and play better for a game or two, but you get bet your arse that after those couple of games, the same moans and groans will start coming about how shite they are and how someone else should get a go.

6 hours ago, Wall Writer said:

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2023/may/03/oligarch-funded-everton-football-club-while-barred-from-uk-alisher-usmanov

 

I have just read this.

The sooner Mohsiri sells up and goes the better.

10 minutes ago, Hafnia said:

We need to buy 1 more similar to him and that’s with cannon and simms hopefully kicking on. 

I agree. Sell Maupay to the highest bidder while we are at it.

He just fits the type of football Dyche is looking to play and it really shows the gap between him and the rest. If we stay up and he stays fit I can see him having a really good season under Dyche.

The issue for me is that whilst I think we are capable of getting into good positions in all 4 remaining games, the players are showing shocking tendancies of bottling it. 

Their keeper made some good saves yesterday but he shouldnt have had the chance. Against Newcastle we got into some good positions and the passing was shocking. 

I think we need something from Brighton/City because I dont see us being clinical enough to gaurentee to win both of the last two games.

He had started the game so well and showed exactly what we had been missing. Such a shame for him to go out that way.

McNeil for me. Probably should have made a couple of better decisions late in the game but there were times where he was popping up at left back then leading the charge on attack. I would love to see him with an attacking full back to give him a bit more space and another passing option.

As for the goals. The first is simple, we didnt win any of our challenges. We almost wave the first ball through. Mykolenko loses the second. I think Keane does the right thing to position himself where he does. The problem is Doucoure and Coleman both go out to Barnes and don't stop the cross and that creates the space for Soyuncu. Pickford probably should have done better too. I don't think it was a free kick to start with though.

The second goal is just something you can't do against Leicester. When you are up against Maddison and Vardy you cannot give away a square ball with your team mates upfield. Its criminal from Iwobi. He had a easy ball to put Doucoure through first of all which is bad enough but to do that is just shocking. I then think he should have cleared out Maddison but his first reaction isnt to get fully goal side. I think he has a chance to do either action and make up for his mistake but he doesn't and its game over. Keane isn't winning that race and probably does well to not get sent off. Godfrey and Holgate would have. 

I think the penalty has to be given, but as a centre half its unlucky. His arm is out, it hits him, but he doesn't make an action towards the ball. I don't think its reasonable to expect defenders to have their arms behind their back. 

Whilst I didn't think Keane was responsible for either goal (the pen happens), for the rest of the game he was terrorised by Vardy. They clearly targetted him and he wasn't up to the task.

How did we not win that? 

Both sides had chances but how did Dom miss that? Iverson made 3 or 4 massive saves. 

Great game for the neutral, two teams really trying to win but not having the quality to do it. 

McNeil was probably a standout along with Tarkowski. Coleman was playing really well before his injury as well. Dom and Doucoure were probably then best of the rest with Garner.

Iwobi and Keane were dreadful, Gueye kept vacating midfield, Mykolenko was devoid of most things and Patterson showed that he is certainly not going to be our saviour. 

I am really surprised that we didnt see any subs, although in fairness I thought we were leggy with about 20 mins to go but he sat us deeper, soaked up a bit of pressure and we caused them loads of problems on the counter in those last 10 minutes. The players I would have taken off, played well in that last period. I still think the extra energy would have helped, though it didn't help Leicester, so who knows.

On 30/04/2023 at 09:24, Shukes said:

We did try for Gyorkes didn’t we, but they said he wasn’t available and would be staying for the rest of the season. Same with a few others.

It got to the point where we just needed to bring someone on for the sake of another body, and unfortunately that’s what we did. 

I think that was in January. I Imagine that if we wanted him enough in the summer, we would have signed him.

On 30/04/2023 at 12:08, Hafnia said:

I’m not nervous about the games, I’m getting more nervous about tactics and team selection. 
 

it appears the dyche clean slate is getting cloggy.  Patterson, Coady, Mina, not getting a chance but Keane, iwobi, maupay, Godfrey seemingly are ok in his eyes. 

Whilst I do understand this to an extent, any manager gives a chance to these players in training day in day out. Its not like a fan who only gets to watch them at the game. 

Its another example of becoming a better player on the bench though as when they came out of the team, there wouldnt have been too many on here that would have argued given how poorly they were playing. 

1 minute ago, Matt said:

Gray was also dropped so hasn't had a chance to play anywhere near as much, whereas McNeils case is the opposite.

Gray is comfortably our biggest goal threat on the pitch until Dom is up to speed. His exclusion is one of my biggest criticisms of Dyche. 

Gray has played 313 more minutes than McNeil.

I disagree that he is our biggest goal threat. He probably takes more shots than anyone else but that is as far as it goes.

17 hours ago, Palfy said:

Thing is he’s not a RB and neither is Holgate, yet Dyche hung them both out to dry, Patterson is a RB and would have been far better playing there and that’s not me saying that in hindsight I was saying that soon as the teams got posted. So agree he’s not a bad player when he’s playing in his favoured position. 

I dont think either of them are CBs at this level either unfortunately. Holgate played a whole season in the Championship at RB.

The role we have our full backs play is really simple too. They arent being asked to raid forward or join in with midfield. They are basically being asked to play as a wide centre back and Godfrey in particular has the agility to do it. 

I don't think they are being hung out to dry at all, they just arent good enough but none of our full backs are at the moment.

I have no idea what our scouts do but they clearly aren't very good at spotting talent.

14 hours ago, Btay said:

Exactly right mate. Brainthwate would most likely be our best defender and the opinion is based on the fact I havent seen enough of him to know if he would fuck up as much as these other twats.

Also, for Taskowski to come out and say they expect more from the forwards and then put in that display is just a pisstake.

This is another one of these cases whereby the player that isnt playing (or isnt at the club) becomes better by not playing. Its the same with Patterson. 

14 hours ago, Btay said:

Wilson won everything from to the two of them. It's not just last night but both have not looked convincing since united. Fulham was piss poor & as soon as a team apply any sort of pressure we fold. 

According to whoscored, Wilson didnt win a single aerial dual, he was disposessed 5 times (most of Newcastle players), and had 6 occasions of bad control (most of Newcastle players). He also only made 16 passes. 

The centre backs won 5 aerial duels between them (Keane 4), 5 tackles, 5 interceptions, 8 clearances and blocked 2 shots. The only similar performer was Onana. 

I didn't get your impression from the game and the stats don't back it up either. I thought they dealt pretty well with Wilson and Newcastle generally until it all fell apart at the end. 

22 hours ago, Palfy said:

He is our top goal scorer Bailey for all of his other problems we need the people on the pitch who can change a game, but let’s throw Maupay on to make a difference another player who just runs around with no quality whatsoever, but it suits Dyche’s Duracell style of football, yet gives you fuck all in return, if you’re happy with his style of management his player selections his inability to see during game time he needs to make changes then crack on mate and enjoy him fucking up in the Championship. 

McNeil is our top scorer and Gray has only scored 2 non penalties. Iwobi is only 1 goal behind and had 5 more assists. Gray is hardly a game changer. 

53 minutes ago, Louis said:

Has someone posted the Marcel Brands interview ?

https://www.nrc.nl/nieuws/2023/04/28/psv-directeur-marcel-brands-50-miljoen-euro-investeren-is-geen-garantie-op-de-titel-a4163305

 

He talks about Salmon Rondon being signed against his wishes (Benitez wanted him), meetings on an expensive yacht, wanting Arteta over Ancelotti and the manager being told to who to pick. 

Brands seems to suggest him and Kenwright were on the same page trying to what was best for the club (on those particular occassions - not saying every time) whereas Mohsiri is the one doing as he pleases and causing disruption.

This isnt the first article of this sort either. 

From everything I have read, I still believe Mohsiri is the biggest issue at the club, or at least has been in the last few years. I don't know how this supposed new investment will work, but hopefully it means he has less involvement in the club.

We need the mentality of having to win three games and nothing less will do.

With Patterson, I think he is worth a go ahead of the other two because of how badly they have done recently however lets not forget the fact he was in shocking form before his injury and needed to be dropped himself.

3 hours ago, Btay said:

If he sends out anything like the back 4 he did against Newcastle, I will have no issues with him being gone before the next season to be honest. There is no way Godfrey starts a game again soon & one of Keane or Tarks need to go because they have been piss poor.

I don't think you can pin that result on Keane or Tarkowski. The former for the Isak goal was shocking but Godfrey was poor for two of them and Onana stopped tracking his man for one of them. Keane and Tarkowski aren't going to do a lot about that and for 70 odd minutes they kept Newcastle fairly quiet. A lot of the more hysterical posts (not suggesting you are) focus on that last 20 minutes and how the wheels fell off, not the good (albeit ugly) work that came before it.

1 hour ago, Palfy said:

I agree so why not play Gray who is about the best player we have to get you a goal doesn’t make any sense to me, or Patterson who can get up the line and play in a decent cross, winning games is about playing the players who give you a better chance of getting goals, Dyche just wants a team of players who run all day with no game plan, he just wants to shove a Duracell up their arse press the on switch and see what happens, the players are calamitous in many ways, but Dyche is calamitous as well. 
On Gray weeks ago he was challenged why Gray wasn’t playing, his answer was something along the line’s “ we are working with him in training to play the centre forward role” okay fair enough so he must believe he’s got goals in him yet he doesn’t play him when we need goals, when the games getting away from us and people are dying on their feet he doesn’t change it, until the game is lost, after 55-60 minutes he needed to change things he didn’t, he waited till we were 2 or 3 down in the 70th something minute and throw’s Maupay on the blokes a fucking joke, he had far better options at his disposal than that and should have acted 15-20 minutes sooner, that’s bad management, and not all about poor players as some of you have used to excuse him. Give him all the money you want he won’t improve us, and any player worth his salt won’t want to play for him after witnessing his tactics and what he expects from players which by the way isn’t to try and play any form of decent football. He’s a fucking embarrassment to the word manager, he’s known how important it was to get 2-4 points out the last 2 games and he’s sent his team out to play like that. Fuck off Dyche please you’re not for me or this club. 

Gray is unreliable that is his problem and why I expect Dyche doesn't fancy him. He wants someone to put a ball in when they get the chance, not dribble into opposition players, which is exactly what he has done when he has played wide in the small moments under Dyche. Iwobi was shocking last night, but he got into a lot of really good positions before shitting his pants and fucking it up.

One of the players you wanted back in the side (Doucoure) was notoriously bad for doing a similar thing last night. Unfortunately it is the type of player he has at his disposal to play in those positions. It is no surprise that the one attacking player he brought through at Burnley is the one who has stood out since Dyche's arrival.

I have no issues with how he set the team out last night. There wasn't a lot between us and 3rd place Newcastle apart from quality when it mattered in the final thirds, which is something he hasn't had the chance to change.

22 minutes ago, chicagoblue said:

 

These are two symptoms of the same illness.  No one on here thinks Patterson is the savior, but he would at least provide natural balance.  Godfrey gives us nothing going forward and now he can't defend either, so there's no argument to keep playing him.  It has to be Coleman or Patterson on Monday.

 

Keane also needs to come back out.  He was back to his old riverboat ways today.  Mina comes in.

 

Make those two changes from the start, find a way to get the same energy we showed in the first 30 and we'll be competitive against a Leicester side that can't defend and has an attrocious keeper.  After that Dyche has to use his subs to affect the game.  He's been way off it of late. 

 

Maybe, maybe not. I don't think anyone who watched Patterson earlier in the season would have thought we were particularly balanced, unless it was a case of being poor on both full backs. Godfrey can be quite dynamic going forward, but he isn't getting forward. I don't know if that is tactical or due to hesitancy. Patterson isn't great going forward either, but I suspect he would at least be more naturally inclined to play that way. I do think it is time the young lad was allowed a chance under Dyche as Godfrey and Holgate have shown themselves incapable.

I didn't think Keane was that bad. The Isak goal was shocking but otherwise, I thought the performance of both centre backs was more of a factor of us being unable to control midfield than poor performance. They didn't stand out to me anyway. 

I think one of our biggest problems today was the midfield again. Gueye was poor, Onana was a bit of a ghost and Doucoure was doing Doucoure things (good and bad). The decision making from all three was poor and I think Garner would add that bit of control and quality we need. It would be interesting to see how he would get on alongside Onana and Doucoure. 

I am also worried that Iwobi losing his composure completely and it would be a coin toss between him and Gray. Everything was over hit or under hit, the one good thing he did all game, he still had a better pass on. 

Collectively as a group, we did not deal well at all with the pressure today. 

I went with McNeil as I just felt he was the only one who was going to bring any quality and composure. 

We just need to learn from this game and win the rest. 

For a long part of that game we matched Newcastle but their quality told in the end and when it went to two, the game gets away from you and it is what it is. 

We played in good areas of Newcastle's half but we were just so poor when the ball was in control and in good positions. We just wanted to play floaty high balls into Dom rather than the quality balls we have been playing in previous games. Iwobi, Gana, Doucoure in particular were the biggest culprits. 

Godfrey has just gone. I don't think he was a brilliant player to begin with but he has lost his pace, his defending has nose dived as a result and he shouldn't be on the pitch. I am not necessarily saying that Patterson (or Holgate) will be much, if any, better, but Godfrey isn't going to be the answer to any question. He needs to be taken out of the firing line. 

Another factor which is frustrating our attacking play is a lack of width. We see both wingers coming inside so often, and the fullbacks are still stuck in their own half and we play within the confines of the 18 yard box. When we don't have the composure to pick a pass or make the right decision, we need to create big chances and we are making the pitch too small.

I am not sure why there is such a delay to the subs as well. I get that the choices aren't great but a handful of players had no right to play as long as they did. Sometimes just a change of energy can make a difference. 

That sums this performance up. 

Massively over hit free kick.