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Or the league if you look at where Blackburn are now.

We better not try to win the FA Cup. Look what it did to Wigan!

What? What have they got to do with us getting into the Europe??!!!!
 
Laudrup was sacked, as Swanseas well respected chairman Huw Jenkins has said, because the board felt that the club was loosing its fabric, its feelin, the culture that had been carefully and successfully built up over time with Martinez, De Sousa, Rodgers. They also couldnt carry on with the constant feeling that Laudrup was looking else where. This alone was causing issues.
 
Europe will be a challenge...but no club or its fans should steer clear just because it might be a bit tiring!!!

As I've said before, we've had two relatively successful runs in it and it's not got us relegated (5th & 7th I think were our two league finishes) so who gives a stuff what's happened to Swansea and Laudrup? We're not Swansea.

Undone by another refereeing cockup and sleeping defence. Another game we dominated but failed to win. How many times did we say that under Moyes as well?
 
But that doesn't cover up the fact we are in dire need of a quality striker. I still would like that to be Lukaku long term, despite his recent dry spell, but like Dunc says, we're going to have to pay big money to land that kind of quality, or be extremely lucky and stumble upon a gem

he shagged peteo's bird..that's his reason

Mindful of the fact I never thought naismith would be the player he is I will try and give the lad a chance, however.
 
Pace:- none existent. One paced.
 
Control:- wow, not good at all
 
Heading:- seems he's never had to jump and therefore can't.
 
He looks so off the pace it's a little worrying. Hoping for a rapid and huge improvement.

Erm Im not too sure that was a police officer you bumped into

This ref has put his house on a Spurs win here..

Naismith looking sharp so far. Hope he can grab a goal.

Notice Stones heat map stops at the edge of the 18 yard box. Hasn't a clue once he's there.

Obviously with the knowledge of the Bale money incoming.

I would play Mirallas up front again.... I understand people's frustrations with this but he was offside a billion times on Saturday.... This was due to him doing what weve been crying out for our strikers to do, make the run in behind.... If he's offside 99 times there will always be that 1 when the flag doesn't go up and he will be good enough to put it away.... We then have naismith to be impact sub again.... Plus spurs won't defend with five at the back like villa and will have fullbacks bombing forward.

Just measure each other's penises and get it over with. Congratulations to you both for being such amazing supporters.

If he comes back from his injury with the same form he's been showing recently he won't be worth 20m+. Wouldn't mind him a bit cheaper, as he's got great potential but no way should we break the bank for him. I'd rather try and get Deulofeu here permanently if Lukaku is going for 20+.

But we couldnt be more patient in our build up because Liverpool were pressing us high up the pitch! If we did that it would turn into a game of hoof ball. Add that to the fact that we would then give the likes of Sturridge, Suarez and Coutinho more room in the final third and you're asking for just as much trouble.
 
 
Thought Stones did alright as well, certainly no fault of his for the goals. For the most part he did alright going forward and getting into attacking positions but he didnt have the final ball. The same problem Coleman had at the start of the season.
 
 
Coleman would have done sweet fuck all to stop that goal. He is quick but he would have been in the same sort of starting position. Once again I repeat that if Barry/Baines hadnt lost possession he would have been in the perfect space to the receive the ball, like he was for a lot of the game.
 
 
Alcaraz is quicker than Heitinga and given current form he is a better defender. He got caught out on a few occasions but he also did a lot of good defensive work as well.
 
 
Jagielka is pretty quick but Suarez is quicker. They gave Suarez a start and its no surprise that he beat them. Again pace isnt the issue, its giving the ball away in the first place that is. You seem to have an ability to complete ignore the cause of the problem.
 
 
Good write up and spot on. I don't think you can aim too much criticism at Naismith because its a difficult role to play. He made some decent runs and he linked up play nicely without showing any real quality.

so... thanks to my stomach bug and the stress of the game, I was up all night reflecting on this whilst getting intimate with the porcelain, again....
 
First of all, Haf - time to take the honeymoon glasses off mate. "At least we stuck to our principles"? Ha! We didnt adapt to the situation when the evidence was clear to see. Something youve berrated Moyes for repeatedly. Ive not felt that bad or embarrassed under Moyes but no doubt you'll find some nonsense to deflect away from a tactical fuck up.
 
Second - anyone writing off Stones after 1 bad game doesnt understand football. He put in several excellent tackles and only occasionally out of position, which wouldnt have mattered if Jags and Barry werent passing with their boots tied together. The lad was asked to deal with an in form, world class player and did so, for the most part, very well
 
Third - most of the blame goes on the manager. I said it before the game, after the teamsheet was announced, that I hoped the likes of Pienaar, Barkley and Alacaraz werent rushed back just for the derby. Well, they were. Not one of them looked fit. Not even close in Pienaars case. Gerrard had Barkley in his pocket because the lad couldnt run for 5 mins without having to step back. Then, Naismith on, when we had McGeady on the bench - someone with pace - was a terrible decision. Granted, I understand why he did it, Naismiths a worker and maybe graft couldve been a solution? Well, if anyone watched any of the goals bar the 1st,
graft wouldnt have helped, we needed pace. It was like Moyes was making the subs...
 
Plus, if we hadnt had lost Lukaku at the same time they had scored, I dont think we wouldve been more gungho about our approach, and this is something the manager shouldve controlled. The response was positive but we got too comfortable, defending around the halfway line, against possibly the fastest attacking trio around, and completely lacked any awareness as to where the 3 of them where.
 
Now, and this hurts, credit where credit is due. Rodgers got his tactics spot on. Ive said for a long time its easy to negate our style - sit back to midway of their half and close us down. Thats all they did yesterday and we collapsed in on ourselves. Hospital passes, clear giveaways - all down to them pressing us then ripping us to shreds with pace against an unfit pairing of CBs. Its one of the reasons we've had so many draws too against the lower clubs, they pack the midfield and close us down, and we are missing the players to make sure that isnt an issue.
 
Positives to take from the game? not many really although we might as well review them.
 
Mirallas, despite the game long lost, continued fighting, which is something hes been criticized about repeatedly this season. Stones played well in my opinion as did Alcaraz for the most part, and McCarthy was forever trying to clear up after Barry.
 
Also, its 1 game. Only our 3rd defeat this season and they are only 4 points ahead. People seem to think that the league is decided in 5 games! Its not, Utd are proof and they will be pushing for the top 3 come the end of the season at this rate (2 points behind us now). However, looking at our remaining fixtures, we are still clearly in with a shout. Plus, we have a handful of our key performers coming back from injury, which will give us a boost in the coming weeks, so long as theyre not rushed back.
 
So, as disappointed and angry as I am about our performance last night, Im not going to forget the bigger picture. Our expectations in this transition season have soared and maybe this was a shuddering reminder that lessons are still being learned.

Might not be such a bad thing if we have to hold onto him for another 5 months the way our troops are falling.

I found a highlight from the game...
 

Of those 18 chances we didn't make The keeper work at all. 18 shots makes it look as those their goal was under severe pressure. It wasn't.

just fuck off you wumming cunt..seriously..now is not the fucking time

Another pointless post from the king of pointless posts

As always, Im gonna write my own thoughts before reading what others have said. No doubt when I do read your comments, they will be as varied as ever!!!
 
Well, that was a defensive calamity! So much so, I found myself laughing at the mistakes we made.
 
When the line up was announced I felt assured. My only surprise was Alcaraz starting. I thought Stones would play CB and Hibbert RB, with that extra experience giving him the edge. Would it have made any difference? No, not one little bit. For a team which has been so defensively solid this season, that was a nightmare. We gifted them all 4 goals through poor defending. It was always going to be tough against Suarez, Sturridge, Sterling and Coutinho...they harrassed our back line non stop and we looked paniced.
 
The writting was on the wall with Gerrards goal. Barry tried to track him, Barkley got in his way, Barry then falls over and injures our main striker! You couldnt make it up!!! All the goals where our own fault. Simple.
 
Now I know the usual tactical genuis' are gonna be on saying we should have done this, played him, changed that....cos on fifa and football manager thats what you do. But honestly, the only thing that would have changed today is that our defence didnt have a collective mare....naff all the manager can do during the game in these unique situations, whether the manager be Martinez, Moyes or Howard Kendall.
 
Liverpool had a plan...defend in numbers and counter attack. And it worked great with our generous help!!!
 
Of all the games for it to happen!!!
 
I thought Alcaraz was largely poor, Pienaar was shambolic, lukaku wasnt in it before he went off, and Naismith had no hope.
 
Was actually quite impressed with Stones a number of times, caught too far forward for one goal. Miralas was smart. Barkley looked good. Barry and McCarthy...not sure!!!
 
Just look forward to getting back on track. The season to me is about 38 games, not 1.

Liverpool 0 - 8 Everton
 
Lukaku

No we would probably be questioning why Barkley is on loan at Tranmere, where is John Stones, why Neville is still playing and why Heitinga is playing in midfield, and probably why are you always looking to defend him...
 
5/7 of our current inuries happened out on the pitch and barring Deulofeu were impact injuries... nothing to do with training.