Same old Everton

[Matt]

 

Not directed at you, but if it seems to have created the debate then its relevant.

 

I don't think there is a right nor wrong. Its about beliefs. I was bought into Everton at a time we played the best football the club has possibly seen - that is now my DNA as an Everton fan. I'm not going to accept the Moyes principles - that is not Everton for me.

 

If you were bought into Everton at the time of Walker, Royles brief reign and then the Kendall/Smith demise, then I understand the acceptance of Moyes appreciation - but I don't believe its right. Accepting his principles is an insult to the traditions of the club.

 

My acceptance of Moyes to a degree has turned into bitterness in the way that things are now transpiring that he was denying our history as some sort of Albatross he could do without. Isn't it great that one of the most cutting chants "you've never won f%^$ all" can't be aimed at us... Look at the faces of the Newcastle fans when that is hammered at them - there is no come back.

 

We may not win anything with Martinez - but I honestly think our chances are massively improved. Moyes was like a boxer who wanted to go the distance, Martinez is the one with the punchers chance who will try and knock the other one out.

fair enough

 

My memory of Everton starts with Walker, as I think Ive mentioned, so I do have a completely different take on things. I know we are one of the biggest clubs, Ive done my reading, but I had not witnessed it.

 

Moyes was a saviour in many ways for me and because of that I dont carry the same resentment, even after hes been a dick over the last year. His principles turned the club around and a lot of them remain. For me, not accepting them is not accepting Everton; the ethics, discipline, determination. Maybe that was all there before the 90s, but I never saw it. For sure there are several principles that we should not accept, and for those we have Martinez, who has already addressed the biggest one - play to win by believing youre better than the opposition.

 

Currently, I dont see a great deal of difference. We played fantastic football under Moyes, not ocasionally as youve mentioned previously, and we are playing great football under Martinez a lot of the time too. I just dont see a huge difference at the moment, except the 3 areas I keep eluding to. Theres the same issues over and over. I also get frustrated that Martinez "sticks to his principles". Whilst commendable, it was exactly what Moyes did, though he got slated for it. It can also be seen as inflexible and flexibility is the key in a world class manager (I fully expect RM to be world class). Some times winning ugly, long balls, etc - the stuff that Moyes' era is remembered for bizarrely, since its not true that thats the only way we played - is necessary and I dont think RM knows how to do that yet. But he is young and might well learn that. Alternatively, 10 years down the line he doesnt evolve because he sticks to his principles and were all fed up. Who knows.

 

Our chances have improved because of one thing - Martinez and his infectious optimism. So blinding sometimes, that people forget and take for granted all the hard work that has been done by his predecessor, plus the style of play.

[MC11]

How old are you? "worst comments for a while" - that in itself is the worst comment in itself. Do you actually read the rest of other peoples posts?

 

I take the time to quantify my statements and you just come out with the usual juvenile nonsense. Grow up. Use the forum to exhange debate, not to antogonize other posters.

 

To make allowances for your I.Q - 10th-12th was acceptable for me in the sense of allowing for the change in footballing principles that will reap reward in the long run. A little bit like throwing moss killer on a lawn - it will look worse for a period in order to look better in the long run... understand it a bit better now?

 

How old are you? "worst comments for a while" - that in itself is the worst comment in itself. Do you actually read the rest of other peoples posts?

 

I take the time to quantify my statements and you just come out with the usual juvenile nonsense. Grow up. Use the forum to exhange debate, not to antogonize other posters.

 

To make allowances for your I.Q - 10th-12th was acceptable for me in the sense of allowing for the change in footballing principles that will reap reward in the long run. A little bit like throwing moss killer on a lawn - it will look worse for a period in order to look better in the long run... understand it a bit better now?

 

I understand it completely. You would accept a mid table finish for possession based football and you'd congratulate the team for doing so.

 

Well I'd rather watch direct football and actually finish higher in the table, it's all about success for me and tikka taka can be very boring if you aren't getting wins.

[Shukes]

hes a long term fan.

 

I thought if we finished top ten i would be happy. With a new manager and the heart of our midfield changed, i knew there would be a transition period... i actually hoped we would start again and build from scratch, looking more down the line than this season.

 

Now after such a great start i am feeling a bit deflated. But thats all i am. I still prefer watching us play these tight triangles. I do wish we would mix it a bit sometimes though and have more crosses coming into the box, but we need a striker or a cahil for that. I dont understand why we dont put more crosses in when Naisy is playing as that lad has heart if nothing else.

 

I agree with this thread title, we are heading back to the "same old Everton" of the 80's. we need to keep building and we might actually end up there.

 

Trevor Steven was one of my favourite players along with Sheedy. Watching Sheedy go into tackles with McMahon was the highlight of every derby. We have Reidy replaced with McCarthy and maybe Barkley could in a way replace the magical left of sheedy by bringing cratf to our centre. I am still waiting to see if McGeady can get up to pace and start being more direct as a winger though.

 

Look, if we finish top six and manage a wembley appearance then would you have taken that at the start of the season? i would have and still think we can do it. Spurs are starting to slip and i am still waiting for the reds to have a bad run.

[Shukes]

I understand it completely. You would accept a mid table finish for possession based football and you'd congratulate the team for doing so.

 

Well I'd rather watch direct football and actually finish higher in the table, it's all about success for me and tikka taka can be very boring if you aren't getting wins.

I understand what you mean. whats the point of playing pretty football and failing? it's all about winning at the end of the day.

 

You will have to forgive us older fans as football is more a lifestyle than a business. It's a heart and soul thing and winning isn't everything. Seeing players never give up, seeing players rather win than only lose 1-0, that's what it is all about for me.

 

I have supported this team for a long time, it's the only team i have ever supported and because of this i dont mind playing the long game for the end result. I think we are doing that.

[Hafnia]

fair enough

 

My memory of Everton starts with Walker, as I think Ive mentioned, so I do have a completely different take on things. I know we are one of the biggest clubs, Ive done my reading, but I had not witnessed it.

 

Moyes was a saviour in many ways for me and because of that I dont carry the same resentment, even after hes been a dick over the last year. His principles turned the club around and a lot of them remain. For me, not accepting them is not accepting Everton; the ethics, discipline, determination. Maybe that was all there before the 90s, but I never saw it. For sure there are several principles that we should not accept, and for those we have Martinez, who has already addressed the biggest one - play to win by believing youre better than the opposition.

 

Currently, I dont see a great deal of difference. We played fantastic football under Moyes, not ocasionally as youve mentioned previously, and we are playing great football under Martinez a lot of the time too. I just dont see a huge difference at the moment, except the 3 areas I keep eluding to. Theres the same issues over and over. I also get frustrated that Martinez "sticks to his principles". Whilst commendable, it was exactly what Moyes did, though he got slated for it. It can also be seen as inflexible and flexibility is the key in a world class manager (I fully expect RM to be world class). Some times winning ugly, long balls, etc - the stuff that Moyes' era is remembered for bizarrely, since its not true that thats the only way we played - is necessary and I dont think RM knows how to do that yet. But he is young and might well learn that. Alternatively, 10 years down the line he doesnt evolve because he sticks to his principles and were all fed up. Who knows.

 

Our chances have improved because of one thing - Martinez and his infectious optimism. So blinding sometimes, that people forget and take for granted all the hard work that has been done by his predecessor, plus the style of play.

 

We just didn't - simple as that Matt. That's not even a judgement call - look back at matchday posts, seriously the great perfromances were 1 in 5 - pretty much like Fellaini's beast performances. Its amazing how the exceptions become the rule.

 

Look at Martinez use of substitues compared to Moyes.

 

The change in our club is the same as my golf swing. I could shoot in the 90's with my old swing every time, to get better I have had to unlearn everything - that means now I have the potential to shoot in the 70's but have to suffer the round where I shoot in the 100's because the new swing has it teething problems.

 

In order to make top 4 which is ultimately the only way we can progress to the next level - we need to be able to beat the top 4 teams. Under Moyes that wasn't going to happen. Our style meant that in those games we came short near every time - under Martinez we have a chance of beating them because we retain the ball better. The ability to retain the ball and turn it into goals is the next step.

[Matt]

I understand what you mean. whats the point of playing pretty football and failing? it's all about winning at the end of the day.

 

You will have to forgive us older fans as football is more a lifestyle than a business. It's a heart and soul thing and winning isn't everything. Seeing players never give up, seeing players rather win than only lose 1-0, that's what it is all about for me.

 

I have supported this team for a long time, it's the only team i have ever supported and because of this i dont mind playing the long game for the end result. I think we are doing that.

Bit unfair isnt it? I think the younger fans acknowledge that Everton is a lifestyle rather than a business, I certainly do at least.

[Hafnia]

hes a long term fan.

 

I thought if we finished top ten i would be happy. With a new manager and the heart of our midfield changed, i knew there would be a transition period... i actually hoped we would start again and build from scratch, looking more down the line than this season.

 

Now after such a great start i am feeling a bit deflated. But thats all i am. I still prefer watching us play these tight triangles. I do wish we would mix it a bit sometimes though and have more crosses coming into the box, but we need a striker or a cahil for that. I dont understand why we dont put more crosses in when Naisy is playing as that lad has heart if nothing else.

 

I agree with this thread title, we are heading back to the "same old Everton" of the 80's. we need to keep building and we might actually end up there.

 

Trevor Steven was one of my favourite players along with Sheedy. Watching Sheedy go into tackles with McMahon was the highlight of every derby. We have Reidy replaced with McCarthy and maybe Barkley could in a way replace the magical left of sheedy by bringing cratf to our centre. I am still waiting to see if McGeady can get up to pace and start being more direct as a winger though.

 

Look, if we finish top six and manage a wembley appearance then would you have taken that at the start of the season? i would have and still think we can do it. Spurs are starting to slip and i am still waiting for the reds to have a bad run.

 

This is it a nutshell. One of the greatest injustices apart from that team not playing in the european cup is the fact that it is just forgotten. People go on about the Arsenal invicibles or the united treble winning team - the Everton 84-85 team was up there as the best. It wasn't because we had an expensively assembled team, it was because the had everything, they were men who could fight, players who could outplay and together they had a spirit I have not seen since.

 

Anyone who remembers that side should be ashamed of themselves if they think what we are seeing with Martinez is some sort of ineffective pretty brand of football. We are on our way to try and replicate that set up.

[MC11]

We just didn't - simple as that Matt. That's not even a judgement call - look back at matchday posts, seriously the great perfromances were 1 in 5 - pretty much like Fellaini's beast performances. Its amazing how the exceptions become the rule.

 

Look at Martinez use of substitues compared to Moyes.

 

The change in our club is the same as my golf swing. I could shoot in the 90's with my old swing every time, to get better I have had to unlearn everything - that means now I have the potential to shoot in the 70's but have to suffer the round where I shoot in the 100's because the new swing has it teething problems.

 

In order to make top 4 which is ultimately the only way we can progress to the next level - we need to be able to beat the top 4 teams. Under Moyes that wasn't going to happen. Our style meant that in those games we came short near every time - under Martinez we have a chance of beating them because we retain the ball better. The ability to retain the ball and turn it into goals is the next step.

We played some great football under Moyes. It's a complete myth that we were just hoofball specialists. Last season our built up play was very good at times.

[Shukes]

Bit unfair isnt it? I think the younger fans acknowledge that Everton is a lifestyle rather than a business, I certainly do at least.

you may have noticed im not too bright in my posts.

 

I didnt mean that as a negative towards younger fans, more of the way the football world seems to be changing to a business rather than a sport. I do think generations look at the sport in a different way. Many fans today want the instant success, they see the money going in and have every right to expect to see a difference each transfer window.

 

For me it used to be different. it used to be that great teams were built over five years not five minutes.

 

or it may be my blue covered glasses. I didnt mean it offensively though.

Edited February 24, 2014 by Shukes

[Matt]

 

We just didn't - simple as that Matt. That's not even a judgement call - look back at matchday posts, seriously the great perfromances were 1 in 5 - pretty much like Fellaini's beast performances. Its amazing how the exceptions become the rule.

 

Look at Martinez use of substitues compared to Moyes.

 

The change in our club is the same as my golf swing. I could shoot in the 90's with my old swing every time, to get better I have had to unlearn everything - that means now I have the potential to shoot in the 70's but have to suffer the round where I shoot in the 100's because the new swing has it teething problems.

 

In order to make top 4 which is ultimately the only way we can progress to the next level - we need to be able to beat the top 4 teams. Under Moyes that wasn't going to happen. Our style meant that in those games we came short near every time - under Martinez we have a chance of beating them because we retain the ball better. The ability to retain the ball and turn it into goals is the next step.

We did, simple as that. Oh, wait - opinions! Mine isnt tainted by a boardline hatred of the previous manager though...

 

Im not saying it was 100% of the time, but it wasnt 20% of the time either - for me it 60% good football, 40% crap, and when it was crap, my God was it crap, which I think taints peoples memories. Just like Moyes' actions since he left...

 

The substitutions make it 3 out of 3, by that I mean the things Ive noticed a change in, and Im made up! I love that Martinez goes for the kill all the time. Sometimes however, it kills us but I feel confident he will learn.

 

Beating these top 4 sides - Martinez has won at Utd and beat Chelsea at home. Thats it I think. Everything else has been drawn or lost, playing pretty, but no progress in terms of points - which is the aim of the game. Moyes beat City, home and away, and we played some cracking draws too (away to Arsenal) so again, I dont see where youre getting this from (I do actually).

 

We cant compare timelines, obviously, but the same failings are there and Im not convinced thats purely down to either manager. Having more possession and making attacking substitutions is great, but means nothing if we cannot get more points and thats not going to change until we get a striker of exceptional quality.

 

Another big difference, if we do get this exceptional striker, I dont expect Martinez to destroy him!

[Matt]

you may i have noticed im not too bright in my posts.

 

I didnt mean that as a negative towards younger fans, more of the way the football world seems to be changing to a business rather than a sport. I do think generations look at the sport in a different way. Many fans today want the instant success, they see the money going in and have every right to expect to see a difference each transfer window.

 

For me it used to be different. it used to be that great teams were built over five years not five minutes.

 

or it may be my blue covered glasses. I didnt mean it offensively though.

Oh I know, was just confused. I dont think its got anything to do with age, there are older fans who want to see the success return instantly with a sugar daddy flashing the cash.

 

Im with you though, Id rather build success than buy it.

[Hafnia]

We did, simple as that. Oh, wait - opinions! Mine isnt tainted by a boardline hatred of the previous manager though...

 

Im not saying it was 100% of the time, but it wasnt 20% of the time either - for me it 60% good football, 40% crap, and when it was crap, my God was it crap, which I think taints peoples memories. Just like Moyes' actions since he left...

 

The substitutions make it 3 out of 3, by that I mean the things Ive noticed a change in, and Im made up! I love that Martinez goes for the kill all the time. Sometimes however, it kills us but I feel confident he will learn.

 

Beating these top 4 sides - Martinez has won at Utd and beat Chelsea at home. Thats it I think. Everything else has been drawn or lost, playing pretty, but no progress in terms of points - which is the aim of the game. Moyes beat City, home and away, and we played some cracking draws too (away to Arsenal) so again, I dont see where youre getting this from (I do actually).

 

We cant compare timelines, obviously, but the same failings are there and Im not convinced thats purely down to either manager. Having more possession and making attacking substitutions is great, but means nothing if we cannot get more points and thats not going to change until we get a striker of exceptional quality.

 

Another big difference, if we do get this exceptional striker, I dont expect Martinez to destroy him!

 

I honestly feel the best barometer isn't Everton fans themselves but other fans. I am getting begrudging respect from all over the place. What we are seeing is work in progress and I like everything I am seeing. We are a couple of players away from a team that will seriously challenge - the goalscoring striker being the main ingrediant.

[Shukes]

One big difference is our chances created through open play. But the swing of it is that we seem ineffective when it comes to corners etc.

I do love the football we are playing, its lovely to watch but i also recognise the excitement of a ball being thrown into the box and bravery beats the defender... a bit like that prick JT the weekend ahem. But this is where we are building.

Again we mention the 80's when we had pretty much everything.

we had Sheedy and his majestic left peg.

We had Rats at the back who was lightning and could tackle hard.

We had a goaly who was rated the best in world.

We had the excitement of Steven and stevens working together down the flank but also the quiet and underrated Bracewell who did the simple work great.

Up front we had Sharpy who i watched score the perfect hat trick, left, right and head. and on the bench we could replace him with little Adrian Heath who could be a donkey at times but was also a totally different style than sharpy.

Then we could just send in Andy Gray and beat up the keeper if we needed. we had it all.

 

That was exciting! i even sit down with friends nowadays and we speak of the great teams of the past and even my Spurs mate brings up that team.

 

With a decent striker, and i agree maybe we need a better Naismith rather than a Lukaku, a box to box midfielder ( Maybe Barkley if he can get his head up ) and fast centre half, we could have a team that will not only compete but challenge.

[Matt]

 

I honestly feel the best barometer isn't Everton fans themselves but other fans. I am getting begrudging respect from all over the place. What we are seeing is work in progress and I like everything I am seeing. We are a couple of players away from a team that will seriously challenge - the goalscoring striker being the main ingrediant.

And we differ in opinion again

 

I know what you mean, but I could give 2 shiny shits for other fans' opinions, nor the media. It can be nice to hear, but it changes nothing.

 

Completely agree we are a work in progress, and Im very excited for the future. I just refuse to ignore the past

Edited February 24, 2014 by Matt

[duncanmckenzieismagic]

We did, simple as that. Oh, wait - opinions! Mine isnt tainted by a boardline hatred of the previous manager though...

 

Im not saying it was 100% of the time, but it wasnt 20% of the time either - for me it 60% good football, 40% crap, and when it was crap, my God was it crap, which I think taints peoples memories. Just like Moyes' actions since he left...

 

The substitutions make it 3 out of 3, by that I mean the things Ive noticed a change in, and Im made up! I love that Martinez goes for the kill all the time. Sometimes however, it kills us but I feel confident he will learn.

 

Beating these top 4 sides - Martinez has won at Utd and beat Chelsea at home. Thats it I think. Everything else has been drawn or lost, playing pretty, but no progress in terms of points - which is the aim of the game. Moyes beat City, home and away, and we played some cracking draws too (away to Arsenal) so again, I dont see where youre getting this from (I do actually).

 

We cant compare timelines, obviously, but the same failings are there and Im not convinced thats purely down to either manager. Having more possession and making attacking substitutions is great, but means nothing if we cannot get more points and thats not going to change until we get a striker of exceptional quality.

 

Another big difference, if we do get this exceptional striker, I dont expect Martinez to destroy him!

 

I agree with you Matt, we played some great stuff under Moyes but people seem to want to ignore that and rewrite history.

 

Also as much as I am loving the Martinez experience you cant tell me that we havent had any dross served up since he took charge but the same people also choose to ignore that. Simple fact of the matter is that you are not going to get a side that turns it on for every game of the season

[Matt]

 

I agree with you Matt, we played some great stuff under Moyes but people seem to want to ignore that and rewrite history.

 

Also as much as I am loving the Martinez experience you cant tell me that we havent had any dross served up since he took charge but the same people also choose to ignore that. Simple fact of the matter is that you are not going to get a side that turns it on for every game of the season

Im not going crazy then!

 

http://www.evertonfc.com/news/archive/2014/02/23/baines-seeks-clinical-edge

 

 

Leighton Baines says Everton must become more clinical to make their dominance count.

 

 

how many times have we heard that over the last 10 years or so?

[Romey 1878]

I must be a bit of an anomaly. I'm only 26, so I haven't seen the successful times that Everton have had but you'd think I had because I still strive for all that, it matters to me like I was there, and I'm unable to accept the way Moyes treated our history and lowered our expectations. My expectations and ambition for Everton is always, and always will be, is to be the best. Always to aim high. Win. Nil Satis Nisi Optimum resonates with me, no matter how unrealistic it seems to others.

 

In regards to Haf, and any one else, being willing to accept a 10th-12th place finish. I think it's pretty obvious that they didn't mean they'd be willing to accept it forever for us to play good football. Just that they were willing to take a bit of pain at first to get to where we should be - in and around the top table. Anyone who has known Haf on here for a while would know that he would never be accepting of a continual mid-table finish like that.

[Matt]

I must be a bit of an anomaly. I'm only 26, so I haven't seen the successful times that Everton have had but you'd think I had because I still strive for all that, it matters to me like I was there, and I'm unable to accept the way Moyes treated our history and lowered our expectations. My expectations and ambition for Everton is always, and always will be, is to be the best. Always to aim high. Win. Nil Satis Nisi Optimum resonates with me, no matter how unrealistic it seems to others.

 

In regards to Haf, and any one else, being willing to accept a 10th-12th place finish. I think it's pretty obvious that they didn't mean they'd be willing to accept it forever for us to play good football. Just that they were willing to take a bit of pain at first to get to where we should be - in and around the top table. Anyone who has known Haf on here for a while would know that he would never be accepting of a continual mid-table finish like that.

great post

 

not sure how Moyes mistreated our history, but I agree on the expectation management being infuriating - I only recognized it after he left mind you

[Romey 1878]

great post

 

not sure how Moyes mistreated our history, but I agree on the expectation management being infuriating - I only recognized it after he left mind you

 

They're one and the same really, Matt. He ignored our history in order to lower our expectations. It wasn't the only way he lowered our expectations but it was one way. I like how Martinez acknowledges our history and uses it to motivate our players - "look what they did, look at where this club has been. You have the opportunity to make new history for this football club." Moyes treated our history like it was an anvil around his neck - "better not remind the fans of where this club has been or they might want that again and I'll be under pressure to deliver."

 

I'm not saying Moyes needed to live in the past or anything like that, just that he should have embraced just what this club is about more. We weren't lucky to have him, we were lucky to have each other at that point in time. We were lucky that we had a good manager to pull us out of the shit we found ourselves in, but he was equally as lucky that a club like Everton gave him the opportunity to put himself on the map. I'm not sure he realised the latter and it grated on me.

[Hafnia]

I must be a bit of an anomaly. I'm only 26, so I haven't seen the successful times that Everton have had but you'd think I had because I still strive for all that, it matters to me like I was there, and I'm unable to accept the way Moyes treated our history and lowered our expectations. My expectations and ambition for Everton is always, and always will be, is to be the best. Always to aim high. Win. Nil Satis Nisi Optimum resonates with me, no matter how unrealistic it seems to others.

 

In regards to Haf, and any one else, being willing to accept a 10th-12th place finish. I think it's pretty obvious that they didn't mean they'd be willing to accept it forever for us to play good football. Just that they were willing to take a bit of pain at first to get to where we should be - in and around the top table. Anyone who has known Haf on here for a while would know that he would never be accepting of a continual mid-table finish like that.

 

I think we are on the same page and I applaud your outlook for a 26 year old fan (not patronising) - the appathy among many younger generation fans is a real issue we need to address. The same way that I would applaud a United fan of the same age who doesn't believe that United are too massive to be a team that goes a few years without winning something.

 

Our history is something to be immensely proud of and should be protected. The media perception which was cultivated by Moyes in his time needs addressing and our brand of football is one way to do that. As a brand he has negatively impacted us. WE ARE EVERTON - not Fulham.

 

10th to 12th is unacceptable for a club like us, just like wearing a brace is unacceptable for one of the Osmonds - but if it gives you the straight gleaming set of nashers in a year or so then its a burden worth having. Under Moyes we were posing for photos with our mouths closed.

[Matt]

 

They're one and the same really, Matt. He ignored our history in order to lower our expectations. It wasn't the only way he lowered our expectations but it was one way. I like how Martinez acknowledges our history and uses it to motivate our players - "look what they did, look at where this club has been. You have the opportunity to make new history for this football club." Moyes treated our history like it was an anvil around his neck - "better not remind the fans of where this club has been or they might want that again and I'll be under pressure to deliver."

 

I'm not saying Moyes needed to live in the past or anything like that, just that he should have embraced just what this club is about more. We weren't lucky to have him, we were lucky to have each other at that point in time. We were lucky that we had a good manager to pull us out of the shit we found ourselves in, but he was equally as lucky that a club like Everton gave him the opportunity to put himself on the map. I'm not sure he realised the latter and it grated on me.

Thought he did recognize the history, wasnt it his idea to put the timeline around Goodision? Of course he couldve done more, like Martinez is doing now.

[Romey 1878]

Thought he did recognize the history, wasnt it his idea to put the timeline around Goodision? Of course he couldve done more, like Martinez is doing now.

 

I don't know, but if it was his idea then fair play to him. I still don't think he really embraced Everton and all it encompasses though, which is odd seeing as he was here for so long.

[Matt]

 

I don't know, but if it was his idea then fair play to him. I still don't think he really embraced Everton and all it encompasses though, which is odd seeing as he was here for so long.

I might be wrong there to be honest.

 

I agree to an extent, it felt sometimes like he was trying to define Everton when it shouldve been the other way around. But that said, he had to do that because of the turmoil we had been left in.

 

http://www.evertonfc.com/news/archive/2010/08/27/timeline-motivation-for-success

Edited February 24, 2014 by Matt

[Romey 1878]

I might be wrong there to be honest.

 

I agree to an extent, it felt sometimes like he was trying to define Everton when it shouldve been the other way around. But that said, he had to do that because of the turmoil we had been left in.

 

http://www.evertonfc.com/news/archive/2010/08/27/timeline-motivation-for-success

 

That's exactly what I was wanting to say but couldn't find the words!

[Hafnia]

Moyes accepting our history is a bit like going out with one of George Clooneys ex girlfriends - as much as you try and impress them you just know you can't reach that level.

[Matt]

 

That's exactly what I was wanting to say but couldn't find the words!

great minds mate

 

The link shows it was Moyes idea, to do exactly the same thing Roberto has done at Finch Farm

[Hafnia]

"Only twice have we finished outside the top 10 and that is a massive achievement for a club like Everton"

 

"We will need to do everything perfectly to win. It is a bit like going into a gun fight and we are only armed with a knife."

 

 

[Matt]

"Only twice have we finished outside the top 10 and that is a massive achievement for a club like Everton"

 

"We will need to do everything perfectly to win. It is a bit like going into a gun fight and we are only armed with a knife."

 

 

selective (repetitive) evidence again Haf?

 

Im not saying he was perfect, but the evidence is there to show he did things for the good of the club and that shouldnt be forgotten.

[GoodisonRoad]

 

That's exactly what I was wanting to say but couldn't find the words!

 

Get a room! be finishing each others sentences next!

[Romey 1878]

 

Get a room! be finishing each others sentences next!

 

Jealousy is a terrible thing .