duncanmckenzieismagic Posted September 14, 2016 Report Share Posted September 14, 2016 http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/710411/Everton-Manchester-United-Ronald-Koeman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Posted September 14, 2016 Report Share Posted September 14, 2016 He's got to be the oldest looking 18 year old I've ever seen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Blue Posted September 14, 2016 Report Share Posted September 14, 2016 Crikey he must have been on one he'll of a paper round! Sibdane 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shukes Posted September 14, 2016 Report Share Posted September 14, 2016 Must be African. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowensda Posted September 15, 2016 Report Share Posted September 15, 2016 Must be African. Aha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted September 15, 2016 Report Share Posted September 15, 2016 17m for a 18 year old. 5 goals 2 assists with the U18 for Juve and we're gonna pay 17m for him? hell no. he's 18, i want a kid who's playing regularly on loan in Serie A banging in goals. not a kid who can barely score in a u18 league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted September 15, 2016 Report Share Posted September 15, 2016 (edited) Then be prepared to spend £40m+ And fight off teams that can offer CL footy Edited September 15, 2016 by Matt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted September 15, 2016 Report Share Posted September 15, 2016 Then be prepared to spend £40m+ And fight off teams that can offer CL footy still a no from me, the italian strikers don't do that well in england. on the flip side Lucas that Arsenal pipped from us was 17m and is tried and true and in the prime of his life. i know who i'd prefer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted September 15, 2016 Report Share Posted September 15, 2016 still a no from me, the italian strikers don't do that well in england. on the flip side Lucas that Arsenal pipped from us was 17m and is tried and true and in the prime of his life. i know who i'd prefer. the ghost who's floated around the pitch? Fair enough Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted September 15, 2016 Report Share Posted September 15, 2016 the ghost who's floated around the pitch? Fair enough better than a 17m guy on the U18 squad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted September 15, 2016 Report Share Posted September 15, 2016 better than a 17m guy on the U18 squad. scouted them both have you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted September 15, 2016 Report Share Posted September 15, 2016 scouted them both have you? i'm just saying matt. stones was 3m? holgate 1.5m? henen 1.5m? i notice a trend, youngsters are cheap. this kid doesn't play pro ball yet, so how can someone evaluate him when playing against scrubs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted September 15, 2016 Report Share Posted September 15, 2016 i'm just saying matt. stones was 3m? holgate 1.5m? henen 1.5m? i notice a trend, youngsters are cheap. this kid doesn't play pro ball yet, so how can someone evaluate him when playing against scrubs? Neymar was how much from the Brazilian league and how old? And scouts go to all levels of the game, as early as 7/8 years old on Sunday morning games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted September 15, 2016 Report Share Posted September 15, 2016 Neymar was how much from the Brazilian league and how old? And scouts go to all levels of the game, as early as 7/8 years old on Sunday morning games. yes i get it there are exceptions to the rule (neymar being one of them, soon to be Gabigol as well) but for that kind of money i would rather a proven player. Buy the cheap youngsters and have the law of averages work it's way. Spend the big bucks on proven players. What if this kid tears his ACL? Breaks a leg and is done? That's 17m all on one kid. Just isn't a good transfer policy for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanmckenzieismagic Posted September 15, 2016 Author Report Share Posted September 15, 2016 still a no from me, the italian strikers don't do that well in england. on the flip side Lucas that Arsenal pipped from us was 17m and is tried and true and in the prime of his life. i know who i'd prefer. It's a good job that he is a midfielder from Cyprus then Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted September 15, 2016 Report Share Posted September 15, 2016 It's a good job that he is a midfielder from Cyprus then attacking midfielder who plays for Juve in the italian leagues. He may be from cyprus but he doesn't play there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanmckenzieismagic Posted September 15, 2016 Author Report Share Posted September 15, 2016 attacking midfielder who plays for Juve in the italian leagues. He may be from cyprus but he doesn't play there. Ha ha which ever way you look at it he isn't Italian and he isn't a striker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Btay Posted September 16, 2016 Report Share Posted September 16, 2016 (edited) Ha ha which ever way you look at it he isn't Italian and he isn't a striker Which leads me to think he hasn't seen much of him. Edited September 16, 2016 by Btay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Makis Posted September 16, 2016 Report Share Posted September 16, 2016 i'm just saying matt. stones was 3m? holgate 1.5m? henen 1.5m? i notice a trend, youngsters are cheap. this kid doesn't play pro ball yet, so how can someone evaluate him when playing against scrubs? Henen, how many games has he played for the first team? As for prices: Martial cost £36m, Moura cost £28m, Shaw £31m, Rooney was £28m all those years back. Those youngsters who cost a few mil cost a few mil for a reason. You could just as well list cheap players of any age and conclude that you can sign good players cheaply so no point in paying over 10 million for anyone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddock Posted September 16, 2016 Report Share Posted September 16, 2016 Never heard of him. Sign him up he sound exotic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted September 16, 2016 Report Share Posted September 16, 2016 Henen, how many games has he played for the first team? As for prices: Martial cost £36m, Moura cost £28m, Shaw £31m, Rooney was £28m all those years back. Those youngsters who cost a few mil cost a few mil for a reason. You could just as well list cheap players of any age and conclude that you can sign good players cheaply so no point in paying over 10 million for anyone. Haha and of those you listed only Rooney was good and it wasn't for long till he's not been class. Moura Shaw martial all busts as far as I'm concerned. You proved my point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted September 16, 2016 Report Share Posted September 16, 2016 Haha and of those you listed only Rooney was good and it wasn't for long till he's not been class. Moura Shaw martial all busts as far as I'm concerned. You proved my point. Ok, one example off the top of my head... Lukaku was about the same price coming from Anderlecht at the same age. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Makis Posted September 16, 2016 Report Share Posted September 16, 2016 Haha and of those you listed only Rooney was good and it wasn't for long till he's not been class. Moura Shaw martial all busts as far as I'm concerned. You proved my point. What point? That if you pay lots for a teenager he's bound to be shite but if you pay a paltry sum he's going to be great? Just answer me this: do you think your logic (what ever it is) also holds true with "grown-up" players? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted September 16, 2016 Report Share Posted September 16, 2016 What point? That if you pay lots for a teenager he's bound to be shite but if you pay a paltry sum he's going to be great? Just answer me this: do you think your logic (what ever it is) also holds true with "grown-up" players? My logic is there is more margin for error with a youngster. Therefore you mitigate that with price. The margin of error is a lot lower with a 27 year old who's proven themselves in a top league. Are their outliers? Yes of course. But if you have 100m to spend id rather buy 100 18 year olds at 1m a pop than 4 at 25m a pop. its called money ball and I'm sure you'll pick up eventually it's based on statistics and sabremetrics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Makis Posted September 16, 2016 Report Share Posted September 16, 2016 That would work for a number of reasons: where do you find promising youngsters for a million? We already have good youngsters in our Academy, no point in paying money for lesser players. There really aren't that many young players to be had for little money any more. Cook for instance cost £7m, rising to £10m. Would you take players with a lot less potential? Selling clubs are not usually mugs either so why would they sell potential Premier League players cheaply? And if the club did sign lots of youngsters what would they do with them? Release all the existing Academy players? Loan them all over like Chelsea do (treatment of some of their youngsters is really poor)? Chelsea do your moneyball thingy and how many of the youngsters they have bought now play in their first team? And why pick an arbitrary number like a million while we are at it? Where did you get that price? Why not just sign players only on free? You seem to think that price doesn't matter so why pay anything at all? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted September 16, 2016 Report Share Posted September 16, 2016 why ask a quesiton makis when you refuse to read people's answers. you just retort to smarmy sarcastic remarks. i was trying to have a conversation, you are being an ass. im done witth you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Makis Posted September 16, 2016 Report Share Posted September 16, 2016 So comments like "I'm sure you'll pick up eventually it's based on statistics and sabremetrics. " is not being an ass? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted September 16, 2016 Report Share Posted September 16, 2016 Simply put there is a sweet spot. The size of the fee is usually in line with the "probability" of them becoming a star. If you are paying £40m for "potential" then you need to look at the market if you are paying £20m for an established player who has all the attributes and is already an international then fair enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Posted September 16, 2016 Report Share Posted September 16, 2016 I'll start supporting City if we sign this fraud. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted September 16, 2016 Report Share Posted September 16, 2016 I'll start supporting City if we sign this fraud. We'll cope. Sign him Ron. This will help, I'm sure they'll be pleased to have your insight if you switch your allegiance.... http://forums.bluemoon-mcfc.co.uk/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.