Bailey Posted July 11, 2019 Report Share Posted July 11, 2019 19 minutes ago, Finn balor said: Digne would establish himself quickly in all the top 4s starting eleven Assuming all fit and well, I would have Robertson, Mendy and Azpilicueta ahead of him. Davies/Rose would be debateable. I like him a lot but I dont think he is *that* good. He cost us a fair amount of goals last season as well as creating us a lot. He is certainly one of the best left backs in the league but I dont think he would be a top 4 shoe in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted July 11, 2019 Report Share Posted July 11, 2019 7 minutes ago, Bailey said: Assuming all fit and well, I would have Robertson, Mendy and Azpilicueta ahead of him. Davies/Rose would be debateable. I like him a lot but I dont think he is *that* good. He cost us a fair amount of goals last season as well as creating us a lot. He is certainly one of the best left backs in the league but I dont think he would be a top 4 shoe in. mendy can't string together 2 games back to back and you'd have him over Digne? you drunk? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted July 11, 2019 Report Share Posted July 11, 2019 1 hour ago, markjazzbassist said: mendy can't string together 2 games back to back and you'd have him over Digne? you drunk? Hence why I started with "Assuming all fit and well". MikeO 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finn balor Posted July 11, 2019 Report Share Posted July 11, 2019 2 hours ago, Bailey said: Assuming all fit and well, I would have Robertson, Mendy and Azpilicueta ahead of him. Davies/Rose would be debateable. I like him a lot but I dont think he is *that* good. He cost us a fair amount of goals last season as well as creating us a lot. He is certainly one of the best left backs in the league but I dont think he would be a top 4 shoe in. Obviously everyone has an opinion but the Chelsea lad who I can’t even be bothered spelling is a defender that’s it. Offers nothing going forward. Mendy? Played about five games in the prem so no idea what your talking about on that one. Robertson? He looks good going forward in a system that allows it. Why did Milner play so long at left back? Because they had to introduce a style of play to allow Robertson to fit in. Cough cough buy van Djjk markjazzbassist 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finn balor Posted July 11, 2019 Report Share Posted July 11, 2019 Any u think rose and Davies are debatable? I bet poch would swap them in a heartbeat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted July 11, 2019 Report Share Posted July 11, 2019 27 minutes ago, Bailey said: Hence why I started with "Assuming all fit and well". Neg for, "hence why". I have to be consistent. markjazzbassist and Bailey 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete0 Posted July 12, 2019 Report Share Posted July 12, 2019 On 08/07/2019 at 19:37, Aidan said: The same Silva that inherited the dregs of Martinez, Koeman and Walsh that needed time to assess the group and implement a style of play. A style of play that is still shoe-horned. I dont believe Silva still even has the players to implement the style that he wishes, look at Gylfi - our 'star' player who I beleive Silva is fitting into the system purly because he is our maquee player. Split the season into two halves and you will see the bigger picture and the work in progress. A world cup meant a jaded pre season, with most of our transfers coming in on the last day of the season. Rome wasn't built in a day. More productive in terms of goals and assists. That's essentially the same as saying Gana is more productive going forward for us than Gomes is - because he got more combined goals and assists, when you look at the bigger picture that is clearly not the case. The dregs are all loaned out. We got Digne, Zouma, Richarlison, Gomes and Bernard. Add to that a fully fit Coleman and Keane, plus DCL had gained more experience. Yet with all this Silva only managed to get 5 more points and no further up the league. We started off brightly, so I don't think the implementating a style of play was a problem. Only one who took a bit of time to adjust was Bernard but he was still useful, would sort of add Sigurdssen too but he's not struggling to adapt he's just not suited to the role he's being asked to do. After Xmas the upturn come thanks to meeting a few teams at the right moment and playing DCL up top, the latter being a decision that took the manager too long to make. Gomes was he got the same amount of assists (2) but edges Gana as he scored a goal too. Is expect in most teams the CM to be more productive than their DM. StevO 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finn balor Posted July 12, 2019 Report Share Posted July 12, 2019 You happy with Delph peteo? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete0 Posted July 12, 2019 Report Share Posted July 12, 2019 6 minutes ago, Finn balor said: You happy with Delph peteo? He's an improvement on Gana but I'd rather McCarthy was back in the team or Davies was given a chance to kick on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finn balor Posted July 12, 2019 Report Share Posted July 12, 2019 I’m not saying Delph is going to be a starter. McCarthy is just never going to be fit. Like Wiltshire too many injuries. Davies is in no rush. He’s not 21 yet I don’t think. Davies is not ready for a regular spot he would get eaten alive by the top teams Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted July 12, 2019 Report Share Posted July 12, 2019 6 minutes ago, pete0 said: He's an improvement on Gana... That'll be why PSG have bid £35m for him, oh wait a minute. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finn balor Posted July 12, 2019 Report Share Posted July 12, 2019 Anybody would be an improvement mike don’t bite Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted July 12, 2019 Report Share Posted July 12, 2019 On 11/07/2019 at 22:06, Finn balor said: Obviously everyone has an opinion but the Chelsea lad who I can’t even be bothered spelling is a defender that’s it. Offers nothing going forward. Mendy? Played about five games in the prem so no idea what your talking about on that one. Robertson? He looks good going forward in a system that allows it. Why did Milner play so long at left back? Because they had to introduce a style of play to allow Robertson to fit in. Cough cough buy van Djjk Not a bad defender though... and he can play CB, and he actually has a good delivery on him. Its all they banged on about at Chelsea for a while when it was him putting it on the head of Morata. Mendy is a real quality player if he can stay fit. He has everything you want from a modern day full back. If you havent watched much of him that isnt an argument to say he isnt better or as good as Digne. Robertson was very good at Hull too. Pretty sure he was also injured. Hell we started last season with Baines and Baines came in for a game when Digne was injured. That's not really much of a valid argument IMO, especially when one was part of the 2nd best defence in the league that came 2nd in that league and won the CL. The argument was he would walk in to those teams. On 11/07/2019 at 22:08, Finn balor said: Any u think rose and Davies are debatable? I bet poch would swap them in a heartbeat He would have had the same chance as us to buy him, probably greater seeing as they had CL football so maybe Poch wouldn't afterall. Again I will reiterate my point in that the top 4 teams wouldnt just drop the players they have for Digne. In reality there isnt a lot between them all and it wouldnt surprise me if he is paid as much, if not more, than most of them as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete0 Posted July 12, 2019 Report Share Posted July 12, 2019 2 hours ago, MikeO said: That'll be why PSG have bid £35m for him, oh wait a minute. I'd bite their hand off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aidan Posted July 13, 2019 Report Share Posted July 13, 2019 10 hours ago, pete0 said: Is expect in most teams the CM to be more productive than their DM. He is more producting going forward, just not in terms of goals and assists. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete0 Posted July 13, 2019 Report Share Posted July 13, 2019 2 minutes ago, Aidan said: He is more producting going forward, just not in terms of goals and assists. Gana or Gomes? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aidan Posted July 13, 2019 Report Share Posted July 13, 2019 1 minute ago, pete0 said: Gana or Gomes? Gomes is more productive - just not in terms of goals or assists. Was reading an analysis on him the other day and it was showing how influential he was in the build up play for us with 2nd assists and forward pass %s etc. Cant find the article now so youll just have to take my work for it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete0 Posted July 13, 2019 Report Share Posted July 13, 2019 16 minutes ago, Aidan said: Gomes is more productive - just not in terms of goals or assists. Was reading an analysis on him the other day and it was showing how influential he was in the build up play for us with 2nd assists and forward pass %s etc. Cant find the article now so youll just have to take my work for it I assumed Gomes but was confused as he scored more goals (just the one mind). Trust you're right. Good player Gomes, reminds me of Arteta. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shukes Posted July 13, 2019 Report Share Posted July 13, 2019 9 hours ago, MikeO said: That'll be why PSG have bid £35m for him, oh wait a minute. Only a few days ago the point that no one had bid was proof he isn’t good enough. Humility is a tough trait. Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete0 Posted July 13, 2019 Report Share Posted July 13, 2019 25 minutes ago, Shukes said: Only a few days ago the point that no one had bid was proof he isn’t good enough. Humility is a tough trait. Economics 101, the Vichery auction, the true value is that of the second highest bidder. Personally I'm not arsed how much the club gets for him. I'll just be happy he's no longer in the first team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shukes Posted July 13, 2019 Report Share Posted July 13, 2019 18 minutes ago, pete0 said: Economics 101, the Vichery auction, the true value is that of the second highest bidder. Personally I'm not arsed how much the club gets for him. I'll just be happy he's no longer in the first team. That’s hilarious mate. Got to admit, you do have a great sense of humour. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted July 13, 2019 Report Share Posted July 13, 2019 He’ll be missed when he’s gone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete0 Posted July 13, 2019 Report Share Posted July 13, 2019 32 minutes ago, Shukes said: That’s hilarious mate. Got to admit, you do have a great sense of humour. Cheers mate, I'm sure there's a few who would beg to differ. Shukes 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palfy Posted July 13, 2019 Report Share Posted July 13, 2019 2 hours ago, Aidan said: Gomes is more productive - just not in terms of goals or assists. Was reading an analysis on him the other day and it was showing how influential he was in the build up play for us with 2nd assists and forward pass %s etc. Cant find the article now so youll just have to take my work for it Don’t need the article mate that is plain to see by anyone that Gomes offers the team so much more than Gana, what amazes me is those who would say differently, but it is a game that courts wildly different opinions and more recently the blind Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shukes Posted July 13, 2019 Report Share Posted July 13, 2019 13 minutes ago, Palfy said: Don’t need the article mate that is plain to see by anyone that Gomes offers the team so much more than Gana, what amazes me is those who would say differently, but it is a game that courts wildly different opinions and more recently the blind Don’t think many would say Gana offers more than Gomes. But as others have said, the two seem to compliment each other. But if we can get an upgrade in Gana to go alongside Gomes, I think each and every fan will be happy. But then I would be happy if we sold Gomes tomorrow and brought an upgrade too. Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palfy Posted July 13, 2019 Report Share Posted July 13, 2019 9 minutes ago, Shukes said: Don’t think many would say Gana offers more than Gomes. But as others have said, the two seem to compliment each other. But if we can get an upgrade in Gana to go alongside Gomes, I think each and every fan will be happy. But then I would be happy if we sold Gomes tomorrow and brought an upgrade too. Easy Tiger we only bought him last week given time with a better partner he could be heading for our Hall of fame he’s potentially that good in the right team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted July 13, 2019 Report Share Posted July 13, 2019 26 minutes ago, Shukes said: Don’t think many would say Gana offers more than Gomes. But as others have said, the two seem to compliment each other. But if we can get an upgrade in Gana to go alongside Gomes, I think each and every fan will be happy. But then I would be happy if we sold Gomes tomorrow and brought an upgrade too. This!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shukes Posted July 13, 2019 Report Share Posted July 13, 2019 30 minutes ago, Palfy said: Easy Tiger we only bought him last week given time with a better partner he could be heading for our Hall of fame he’s potentially that good in the right team. Oh I love you guy, but you know what I mean. I’ll be happy to replace any player with better. But Gomes is a player I think we could be building a team around. I’ve even told the missus she can have his poster on our ceiling. Palfy and Bailey 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palfy Posted July 13, 2019 Report Share Posted July 13, 2019 1 minute ago, Shukes said: Oh I love you guy, but you know what I mean. I’ll be happy to replace any player with better. But Gomes is a player I think we could be building a team around. I’ve even told the missus she can have his poster on our ceiling. good advice I might try that with my mrs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted July 13, 2019 Report Share Posted July 13, 2019 3 hours ago, pete0 said: Economics 101, the Vichery auction... Spelling 101, the Vickrey auction. But as that's not the system used for football transfers it's a bit irrelevant. Used virtually nowhere other than between stamp collectors in fact researching it, probably a good reason for that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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