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Who should replace Koeman?

Who should be Everton's new manager?  

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  1. 1. Who would you like to see replace Ronald Koeman as manager of Everton?

    • Carlo Ancelotti
    • Thomas Tuchel
    • Eddie Howe
    • Sean Dyche
    • Brendan Rodgers
    • Sam Allardyce
    • Rafael Benitez
    • David Unsworth
    • Duncan Ferguson
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    • Someone else
    • Keep Koeman


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Palace have Roy Hodgson and worse players, West Ham have worse players and moyes who just relegated a team, Swansea have been on the brink of relegation for the last couple years, no gylfi no good players, Bournemouth I like but they can’t defend to save their lives and Howe looks like late era Martinez having been found out, west brom pulis enough said they are playing for a draw every match.

 

We have way superior players.  Just add decent coaching (not asking for a lot) and some actual passion and we’re off to the races.

They all have a CF who can score the goals to keep them up , we dont

 

 

 

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6 hours ago, Bill said:

It's a huge gamble to hire anybody, all top notch managers got where they are by having endless amounts of money to spend on all the best players in the world.

Mourinho wouldn't get our team into the top six at the moment,  we are a team that should reach seventh but no higher.  It will take a lot of years and a lot of money building a top class squad to achieve anything  more.

Anything like this is a gamble- if you were betting on a horse race would you put it on a 4/5 shot or a 33/1 shot? 

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7 hours ago, Bill said:

It's a huge gamble to hire anybody, all top notch managers got where they are by having endless amounts of money to spend on all the best players in the world.

Mourinho wouldn't get our team into the top six at the moment,  we are a team that should reach seventh but no higher.  It will take a lot of years and a lot of money building a top class squad to achieve anything  more.

You're sadly right. All know by now that it's all about money. That goes for the clubs, players, TV-stations, companies etc.. and yes, even some of us, right. It's more busines than football, and I don't like that. It has become too much. Any, more or less, can get instant success by spending money. And I don't find that interesting.

By the way. Mourinho would destroy a club like ours. He doesn't develop, he uses

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2 hours ago, Romey 1878 said:

Going from complete shite to a little bit less shite hardly inspires confidence. 

No ones listening to what I’m actually saying anyway so I give up. Can’t be arsed saying the same thing again. 

No, but knowing the squad and that we’ve been in worse predictaments before and turned it around does. I’m not dismissing the fear of relegation as irrelevant, I’m choosing to be positive  

It might be too much for Unsworth, we’ll have to wait and see. But As you said, more experienced managers have taken teams down, so what to do?

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It could go horribly wrong for Unsworth - and yes, Romey I do get what you're saying. But I don't see a better option at the moment. I think there is less chance of us getting relegated under Unsworth than under Koeman, because I think it is obvious Koeman, and I imagine Walsh and the board with him, made a lot of bad mistakes in past 12 months which sucked the confidence of everyone around him and weakened us considerably on the pitch. The risk with Unsworth is that he isn't experienced enough to dig us out the shit other people have created. But what I believe he'll do is get us fighting, which is a quality we'd completely lost under Koeman. 

But to repeat my point again - what are the options? Silva or Dyche? Silva is still unproven Imo, he's hardly done enough to earn the Pochettino comparisons. And I think Dyche would struggle with our current squad, they're nothing like the sort of players he's done well with at Burnley. 

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I think we will be top 10 before we play Liverpool. hopefully these next few games that we should get result during lifts the confidence and we start seeing performances that our squad warrants 

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I will repost the question in here as it’s moe relevant to this thread and don’t think Matt or Bill will see it in the match day thread

Honest question to Bill, Matt and anyone else who thinks relegation is inconceivable.
Given we have just been fortunate to get a point against the side who are bottom of the table, and who before today had only amassed a grand total of 4 points all season. If we are not in danger who is?






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I can see it Dunc, at this moment we are 3 points away from 8th place.

The next three games are winnable and we will be fighting with Burnley for 7th place, I don't think that is unrealistic,  Anybody in the bottom half is in danger,  add West Brom, and Huddersfield to the present bottom three and they will be favourites.

Oh ye of little Faith Dunc, shame on you for not believing.

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I can see it Dunc, at this moment we are 3 points away from 8th place.
The next three games are winnable and we will be fighting with Burnley for 7th place, I don't think that is unrealistic,  Anybody in the bottom half is in danger,  add West Brom, and Huddersfield to the present bottom three and they will be favourites.
Oh ye of little Faith Dunc, shame on you for not believing.

Burnley , Brighton and Leicester were all winnable games and we took 1 point
I really do admire your confidence and wish I could be so blasé about it


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30 minutes ago, Palfy said:

Any body who's got the balls to send Gana and Schneiderlin to the U23s to learn their roles in this team.

Gana!?! Schneiderlin needs to be sold in January but we must have watched a different game if you think Gana was the second worst player in that team.

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52 minutes ago, Bill said:

I can see it Dunc, at this moment we are 3 points away from 8th place.

The next three games are winnable and we will be fighting with Burnley for 7th place, I don't think that is unrealistic,  Anybody in the bottom half is in danger,  add West Brom, and Huddersfield to the present bottom three and they will be favourites.

Oh ye of little Faith Dunc, shame on you for not believing.

If you think we are good enough to warrant 8th you must be watching a different side- look how many  games we’ve conceded 2 or more this season- look at our goal difference- we are utterly shit. What on gods earth do you think is going to change to stop this Bill?

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5 minutes ago, Makis said:

Gana!?! Schneiderlin needs to be sold in January but we must have watched a different game if you think Gana was the second worst player in that team.

He's not consistent he drifts in and out you need to be focused

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If Silva doesn’t materialise quickly and it looks like we have to wait, we are in trouble. I just don’t expect us to win any game right now. We concede at least two every game and lack any firepower. It’s a recipe for relegation. We’ve just picked up 4 lucky points which could have easily been zilch. I’d love Silva hope we get him


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 People think that if we get any Tom Dick or Harry, it will all be top six in 6 months, let me stress once again, there is never going to be a guarantee that whoever comes in will make any difference at all.

I will gladly give the job to the man who knows our Club, knows our players, and knows what the supporters are hoping for, no other man  meets those requirements more than David Unsworth, assisted by Joe Royle.

He deserves 6 months.

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5 minutes ago, Bill said:

 People think that if we get any Tom Dick or Harry, it will all be top six in 6 months, let me stress once again, there is never going to be a guarantee that whoever comes in will make any difference at all.

I will gladly give the job to the man who knows our Club, knows our players, and knows what the supporters are hoping for, no other man  meets those requirements more than David Unsworth, assisted by Joe Royle.

He deserves 6 months.

Nobody has said once that we will get 6th in 6 months??? Alls anyone I have seen has said is that we need an experienced head to keep us up. I think most would be delighted with lower mid table right now.

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 People think that if we get any Tom Dick or Harry, it will all be top six in 6 months, let me stress once again, there is never going to be a guarantee that whoever comes in will make any difference at all.
I will gladly give the job to the man who knows our Club, knows our players, and knows what the supporters are hoping for, no other man  meets those requirements more than David Unsworth, assisted by Joe Royle.
He deserves 6 months.

I don’t think anyone on here is that daft to be honest.
To be fair to Unsworth,and I said it before Koeman got the bullet, I don’t think any manager could turn things around with this shower of shite
without bringing a proven striker in

I honestly don’t know who I want at this point, it’s going to be gamble whoever comes in


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1 minute ago, Bill said:

I'll lay a tenner down against anyone that we finish top ten, proceeds go to TT.

I’ll have some of that- not saying we will get relegated but 11th or lower you pay 10th upwards ai pay.

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19 minutes ago, Romey 1878 said:

Watford have rejected another approach for Silva according to SSN, 

I get the impression the board are panicking and don't know where else to turn. I really don't think Silva has proved himself enough for us to be going all out for him. 

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Whoever it is, I hope they get a fair go at it before being judged.

They will inherit a good squad, overall, but with a couple of gaping holes. Namely at the back.

I'm starting to lean towards a new man coming in over Unsworth. Some new eyes that will see the players as they are and play with what they believe to be the best team for a run of games. Unsworth is falling into the same trap as Koeman, where changes are having to be made because 'it wasn't working'.

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14 minutes ago, Newty82 said:

Whoever it is, I hope they get a fair go at it before being judged.

They will inherit a good squad, overall, but with a couple of gaping holes. Namely at the back.

I'm starting to lean towards a new man coming in over Unsworth. Some new eyes that will see the players as they are and play with what they believe to be the best team for a run of games. Unsworth is falling into the same trap as Koeman, where changes are having to be made because 'it wasn't working'.

I feel like everyone is annoyed with him starting 2 DMs the last time out. I believe he sets up 4231 as his favourite formation though. He wants to play that way and probably sees Gana and Morgan our best 2 defenders. I'd imagine he wanted to frustrait Palace and counter when they're vulnerable but with the first goal conceded because of the actions on the players on the pitch, it all went to shit.

I don't think he sets up or has a similar mentality to RK at all. However I also now think it's best we bring in a new man. Maybe even Dyche, he probably the best option we have left.

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We also stuffed Silva at Hull last season too.

The thing we should learn from Koeman is dont get a manager that you have stuffed previously.

Can anyone remember the 3-1 v Burnely last season?

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38 minutes ago, Bailey said:

We also stuffed Silva at Hull last season too.

The thing we should learn from Koeman is dont get a manager that you have stuffed previously.

Can anyone remember the 3-1 v Burnely last season?

But we smashed City under Pep too, so surely that theory doesn' work?!

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1 minute ago, Newty82 said:

But we smashed City under Pep too, so surely that theory doesn' work?!

It probabaly doesnt work but it sounded good at the time :)

In fairness, City were probably the better team but we scored and they didnt. I wouldnt say we far superior to them in any way other than the score board.

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2 hours ago, Aidan Lewis said:

I feel like everyone is annoyed with him starting 2 DMs the last time out. I believe he sets up 4231 as his favourite formation though. He wants to play that way and probably sees Gana and Morgan our best 2 defenders. I'd imagine he wanted to frustrait Palace and counter when they're vulnerable but with the first goal conceded because of the actions on the players on the pitch, it all went to shit.

I don't think he sets up or has a similar mentality to RK at all. However I also now think it's best we bring in a new man. Maybe even Dyche, he probably the best option we have left.

I'm not suggesting Unsworth has the same mentality as Koeman, in case that's what you are thinking.

But I do feel slightly annoyed by Unsworths post match comments about changing it at half time because "der der der", because I've heard this stuff all season and it is wearing a bit thin now

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1 minute ago, Bailey said:

It probabaly doesnt work but it sounded good at the time :)

In fairness, City were probably the better team but we scored and they didnt. I wouldnt say we far superior to them in any way other than the score board.

That was an obvious easy to use example to be honest!

But I really don't think that theory holds much weight. We usually beat most teams in a season except the Sky Top 6, so it rules out a lot of managers!!!

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5 minutes ago, Newty82 said:

But we smashed City under Pep too, so surely that theory doesn' work?!

Going back to this again...

City had 13 shots and created 7 chances against us (we had 6 shots and 6 chances)

Hull had 5 shots and 3 chances (we had 15 shots and 12 chances)

Burnley had 13 shots and 5 chances (we had 30 shots and 20 chances)

Therefore if we cant get Pep we should go for Dyche :)

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2 minutes ago, Newty82 said:

That was an obvious easy to use example to be honest!

But I really don't think that theory holds much weight. We usually beat most teams in a season except the Sky Top 6, so it rules out a lot of managers!!!

You have misinterpreted me dear Newty. Its not that we have beaten other managers, its how they have been beaten.

Even when we beat Burnley last season, they gave us a game (I cant remember it myself but the stats suggest so). Watford gave us a game for 60 mins this year before throwing in the towel and Hull were worse last season.

Given the predicament we are in I think I would prefer to have a manager that will keep us in games for as long as possible, and in my opinion that is more Dyche than Silva.

 

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38 minutes ago, Newty82 said:

I'm not suggesting Unsworth has the same mentality as Koeman, in case that's what you are thinking.

But I do feel slightly annoyed by Unsworths post match comments about changing it at half time because "der der der", because I've heard this stuff all season and it is wearing a bit thin now

Yeah I get you mate, I went off on a bit of a tangent. I dont mind Unsy but for me if he wanted the job he had to beat palace.

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34 minutes ago, Bailey said:

You have misinterpreted me dear Newty. Its not that we have beaten other managers, its how they have been beaten.

Even when we beat Burnley last season, they gave us a game (I cant remember it myself but the stats suggest so). Watford gave us a game for 60 mins this year before throwing in the towel and Hull were worse last season.

Given the predicament we are in I think I would prefer to have a manager that will keep us in games for as long as possible, and in my opinion that is more Dyche than Silva.

 

Will it not just be easier to interview them?!

And, me? Misinterpret someone? Pfft. Unheard of.

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36 minutes ago, Paddock said:

Our defence is absolutely woeful- whoever comes in needsto sort that as a matter of urgency because it’s orobably more worrying than our lack of striker.

Is that a new word for probably/horrible/arguably?

I like it. I'm having it.

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21 hours ago, duncanmckenzieismagic said:

I will repost the question in here as it’s moe relevant to this thread and don’t think Matt or Bill will see it in the match day thread

Honest question to Bill, Matt and anyone else who thinks relegation is inconceivable.
Given we have just been fortunate to get a point against the side who are bottom of the table, and who before today had only amassed a grand total of 4 points all season. If we are not in danger who is?





 

Didn’t get to see much of the game, but I’ll repeat; I’m not worried yet. If we’re still shite after January’s window then I’ll really panic. Until then, there’s a fuckton of points to play for and there’s been very small improvements since Koeman left. 4 points from 2 games now, should've been 6 in theory, maybe 2 based on performance. But it’s an improvement. 

I do wish they’d stop dicking around with this management situation and offer some stability. The longer this goes on, the more damage it will do. 

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Its interesting watching Watford because they really do play some great football at times. They always look like they are a threat and they will create plenty of chances. The problem is that they have conceded almost as many good chances at the other end. The difference in this game has been the keepers. Gomes makes 3 world class saves and they have one cleared off the line, yet Hart's weak wrists let a shot go in that he probably should have saved. My worry would be that confidence is so low already, would Silva be able to get the players in the right mentality to play his way. He did it at Hull I suppose.

 

Looking at how he has played so far this season is quite interesting. He has switched between a back 4 and 5. He uses one defensive midfielder in Doucoure who is largely responsible for sitting the deepest (however he still gets forward) and then he has Cleverly playing more of a supporting box to box role. They seem to rotate quite a lot but I think Cleverly is the more aggressive presser. I have seen Doucoure get to the byline a couple of times though so I dont think they are tied down. When one of them is forward the other sits and then acts as a quarterback, pinging passes into space. Up front he uses 3. The one up front needs to have a bit of everything and I think its important that they bring people into the game. Gray has done really well against West Ham. Richarlison, plays almost as high up the pitch on the left hand side. Its something Martinez used to do, making them a threat on the counter but also vulnerable down that side. As a result the left back doesnt really bomb forward, at least not as much as the right back however that could just be this game. On the other side, he has used Hughes who has buzzed around the pitch but largely defended in the right wing position. This would make sense as to why the RB gets forward as Hughes comes out of position and it allows space for him to move into. A lot of the time, he has dropped into a 3rd central midfield position, recycling the ball. It means that whoever is on the ball has a lot of passing options because they make the pitch nice and wide leaving pockets of space. You can see why they create a lot of chances.

At the back they have 5 average defenders, maybe with better defenders they will perform better and tighten things up. I dont watch them and think they are being overly risky, it all looks fairly solid. Against us it was individual errors that let us into the game but that wasnt the case against West Ham. Its only 6 months since he joined so maybe that is something that will improve.

Would our players suit this system? I think DCL would work well as the striker, Niasse not so much. Davies and Barkley would be perfect to play on the right. Schneiderlin would suit as the holding player. Davies would fit the bill for the other central player too, as would Klaasen I expect. Sigurdsson could maybe play the right hand position when Barkley goes. Gana, Besic wouldnt really fit. Kenny would do well at right back, Lookman or Vlasic could play left sided and that would suit Baines who could be a bit more holding too. Im not sure where Rooney would fit into this system.

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59 minutes ago, Quinn31 said:

Good manager, but he'll be leaving us for Atletico or Arsenal or Chelsea if he does well here as quickly as he's trying to leave Watford

I really couldn’t care less if he gets us winning in the meantime. 

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Just now, Romey 1878 said:

I really couldn’t care less if he gets us winning in the meantime. 

I realized how dumb that sounded after I said it. If a manager does good enough to warrant a job at a "superclub", then it probably means success for us in the meantime. Clarifying, I just hope that it's somebody who brings us success and either stays, or waits out for the right superclub should success occur. Silva seems to be a bit of a merchant. 

Shame. Managers quit too quickly these days, Boards sack them too quickly, players even quicker to move for a slightly higher wage or for a bigger club

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