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Try to stay on topic please. 

When I renamed this thread I had no idea it would, in fact, get weirder but here we are.

By this logic nobody is allowed to make a moral judgement on another’s actions. If I know a person who is clearly a racist I have no right to judge their decision as a mistake?  Sure I do. We get to make those decisions for ourselves based on our own morality. 

Also this is purely speculative but in looking at who we're trying to get rid, I was thinking about possible clubs:
Keane - contract 2025 - Fulham? Celtic might need one more CB? MLS can put together a decent wage packet nowadays.
Mina - contract 2023 - turkish or saudi club on loan for the year? He seems important in the dressing room not sure it's worth it.
Holgate - contract 2025 - doesn't strike me as someone looking to leave UK - perhaps Brighton or Rangers? Also Fulham or even West Ham, they're looking for a CB. 
Gomes - contract 2024 - grew up in Benfica system. Also Turkey/Saudi where high wages can be paid. Is it remotely possible Brands would be interested at PSV? One of the relegation contenders in Spain - Mallorca/Valladolid or Girona which is owned by City Football Group. 
Davies - contract 2023 - pick any championship club you'd like.
Gbamin - contract 2024 - had success in Germany and France. I'd lean towards France. His former coach at Lens is now at Nantes, why not? and his coach at Mainz is now at Hertha. 
Dele - contract 2024 - lost on this one. Would he even be willing to go abroad? If not he's a poisoned chalice we're stuck with if he doesn't turn things around. 
Rondon - contract 2023 - Turkey/Saudi/MLS/Brazil. 
Lastly in looking at 2023s the clearout continues: Begovic, Mina, Nkounkou, Seamus, Allan, Gordon (will sign new deal), Davies, Townsend, Rondon. 

Moshiri 

My hatred served my well when it came to our last manager so I reckon I’ll hold on to it.
Thanks for your concern though 😛.

Life’s too short lads. He won’t be the first or last player to put his own interests before the club, we’ve had players, managers and owners all do it. 
Hatred will age you and your better halves won’t like what that does to your pretty faces! 😂

Some groups lives are so greatly affected by discrimination to the point that they are dying, that sadly some people need reminding that these lives matter.

A cleaner analogy is the Ukraine situation. Most would agree that the Ukrainian people deserve our support. Imagine someone saying that they disagree with supporting Ukraine because there are lots of other countries where people could use help. Imagine them saying that support for their people is divisive. 

Think of what you’re saying. Minorities/gay people have suffered through an inability to vote or to get married. They’ve dealt with discrimination and violence vastly disproportionate to other groups. To say we shouldn’t focus on addressing that because “all lives matter” is baffling. It’s like saying a doctor shouldn’t treat your broken arm because you have other parts of your body as well. You focus the attention on the area that is hurting. The area that needs help. 

Blue pill maybe ?

Personally, I would question the deeply-held religious beliefs if they were not promoting equality. 

Interesting point of view...The following situation springs to mind.
If your employer implemented a Red T-Shite Friday at work*, where you had to come in jeans and a red Liverpool t-shite, you'd say no, right?
Why? Well, for similar reasons as the guy stated above; that it would go against your beliefs - everyone knows that Royal Blue is the best colour of t-shirt.
* probably for some charitable reason like supporting people who have made terrible decisions in their lives.
 
On a more serious note, and way off topic, I feel this whole issue of equality creates more division that it aims to solve. I don't see how separating people into groups solves the problem of equality for the individual. As long as we divide ourselves into groups, it will always be us against them. I think, more fundamentally, people, and we as a society, need to be more accepting of the fact that everyone is different, has different beliefs, opinions and ways of expressing themselves, and that is ok.
This is also, btw, why I think this forum is the best on the planet, as its members constantly show these qualities and are a true beacon for humanity. 😄
 

Don't care about his sporting merits or lack thereof, we'll be divided on what he brings to the team. The above makes this an absolute no for me. He's certainly not good enough for me to consider changing my moral compass haha. As i said before loved him when he was here and he never exhibited this behavior. 

They’re like fucking buses , nothing all summer then two come at once!
 
 

Playing next to Keane 😉

The 2 Burnley fans I know (which accounts for about 50% of their fan base) didn’t understand why we were chasing injury-prone Cornet and thought McNeill would be a much safer bet long-term. I must say - ignoring the obvious goals/assist stats, McNeill is my preference too. I think he’ll flourish here and just seems the ‘right fit’ to take us forward. Feels like a Moyes type signing which, in my opinion, is not a bad thing for a few windows until we’re looking like a rope half side again.

Shukes, I hate to break it to you but that post is from 5 fucking years ago. 

There's all these great dog puns in this thread and then @Newty82comes in with the subtlety and nuance of a wrecking ball

If we could get Jacques Russell on the right and Gordon Setter in as DM, we'd have the dogs of war back.

Tell me you’ve never been hurt by Everton before, without telling me you’ve never been hurt by Everton before. 😂

Signing a backup left back has little bearing on our other deals. It’s not like other negotiations stop until this is done. We can walk and chew gum at the same time.

Another thing to consider on this - it’s clearly a signing chosen by our director of football - surely that’s who we want in charge of signings.

Haha. I'm not expecting to sell anyone, just throwing out some clubs who might be interested. I do think we can realistically loan 1-2 of the above to at least get rid of their wages for the season. 

Can we just sign Colwill & Cornet on a perms, as well as Winks and Gilmour on loans already.  Hopefully loan/buy Garner as well. 
We just need some shit to solidify this year, before we can build again.  I'd even take Ismaila Sarr on loan, just to get some right sided options.
Also, how we're not deep in to Belotti for a couple of years of wages is beyond me.  He likes the ball in behind but is used to coming short (Torino).  He's also not Rondon.
As much as I want a high quality 6/8, it seems we're truly skint.  Let's suck it up for a year or so, and start risking it on players a year or 2 before we would have previously.