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3 minutes ago, msloan78 said:

Looks like he's a big thing. Able to hold the ball up and links play pretty well.

1 in 4 last season, although it seems like quite a few of them were off the bench.

Yea, number of games doesn’t matter, just per 90m. All told looks like he scored 12 in about 16 games worth of time across all their competitions. Very good. Previous season it was 14 in about 24 games worth. Which begs the question, at 26 and with a good goal record, why has he not played more?

1 hour ago, Aidan said:

I'm hopeful, and from what I've seen in clips he looks to have some good strengths to his game, but I'm not expecting much from a 20 year old who has 11 starts in the French league coming into a premier League midfield.

We won’t know until we know. Given the price we paid and his quick rise I expect more than I would if he cost 2m but you’re right that he needs to be given time 

9 hours ago, Palfy said:

DCL went on loan to none league stalybridge Celtic 5 appearance’s  and 6 goals then to division 2 Northampton Town 20 appearance’s and 5 goals, all why a youth player for Sheffield United. 

Then he joined Everton and never had another loan period whilst with us. 

Because he did what Ellis has not, impressed in training.

Just now, duncanmckenzieismagic said:

All hearsay I know, but I’ve heard it’s all done dusted, it’s just his severance pay from PSG that is holding it up

Who knows. Not one that I feel like is vital for us so I guess it’s done when it’s done.

9 minutes ago, Matt said:

The way he talks and carries himself I think he's a midfield version of Lukaku; big, strong, fast and provided he's allowed to play to his strengths he'll be unplayable. That's my gut feeling at least. 

Yeah but with a better mentality. He seems to “get it”. Notable that he mentioned work 2-3 times. It’ll take a little time but I think we’ve got one.

3 minutes ago, Romey 1878 said:

Alan Myers says it's all still on track.

The thing that made the most sense to me in terms of the delay was a work visa issue that was mentioned a couple days ago. Who really knows though.

2 hours ago, Btay said:

He has no right to be arrogant though in my opinion. The strutting around & over confidence for lack of performance really annoys me. There’s a fine line between confidence & arrogance though, regardless if he can get everything right there’s a very good player in there.

Coincidentally, I was reading some Zlatan quotes the other day. One of the most arrogant players to ever live. Mostly backed it up though. 

7 minutes ago, RuffRob said:

https://www.goodisonnews.com/2022/08/09/everton-may-miss-out-on-psg-midfielder-idrissa-gueye-with-doubts-creeping/

Not unreasonable that he may have second thoughts with the Onana signing. I’d like him here but I wouldn’t be too bothered if this falls through. We have Allan still who is similar and even Gbamin as cover if he stays. Bit more of a “would be nice” signing than a necessity.

1 minute ago, Palfy said:

It’s evident you are just a follower who blindly accepts the opinions of others because you have none worthy mentioning of your own, football management isn’t a science as a doctor would be, that was the sort of thing I would expect someone to say who didn’t have any judgment of their own. And can you tell me who was DCL’s standard good loans before he entered the team?

It’s obvious you are arrogant to the point of absurdity on this topic. You know better than Carlo, Rafa, Frank and all our other coaches. They’ve all spoken with him, seen him train, evaluated and analyzed his play. But you know so much better what’s best for him and his future. Of course managers make mistakes and are not infallible. But this is their job. They and their team evaluate players. It isn’t your job or mine. I tend to trust people who are highly qualified in their fields over my own opinion until I’m given reason not to. 
 

The DCL thing proves my point. He was evaluated by our manager and coaches in training and thought to be ready for an opportunity at the Premier League level. Simms was similarly evaluated and now he’s been let go on loan at a time where we could have used a good striker for the first team. That should tell you what you want to know about his current level. You must prove yourself in training and in your play. It is on the player to force his way into the team. If you don’t want to accept the judgement of those running the team, fine, but at least acknowledge that your insistence is based on wishful thinking and not evidence. 

8 minutes ago, Btay said:

He has no right to be arrogant though in my opinion. The strutting around & over confidence for lack of performance really annoys me. There’s a fine line between confidence & arrogance though, regardless if he can get everything right there’s a very good player in there.

I think it’s one of those things where if you are performing well it looks like confidence and if you are performing poorly it looks like arrogance and a detriment. It only bothers me if it is effecting performance. Would be nice if he got back to his best.

4 minutes ago, Btay said:

He looks a proper number 8 as well. I think he could very well be an “Everton” type of player.

This comment is quite open to interpretation.

Just now, Btay said:

I see Holgate benefiting the most from these two around him. Hopefully they knock that little bit of arrogance out of him and he can focus on his football. The lad has the ability, hopefully he gets the mentality from these two now.

I don’t mind the arrogance so much. He had it 3 years ago when he was looking like future England material. I did think he played better down the stretch last season and in his appearance over the weekend so perhaps he’s already getting some of that maturity you’re alluding to. He will certainly have some good examples now.

Just now, Palfy said:

Simms should have stayed till the back up was in and not because he’s better than Rondon, and he proved himself worthy of being a decent striker at Hearts with his goals long before the brace for Sunderland they just further confirmed the mistake of letting him leave to early, and don’t give me the bullshit about the SPL being a shit league, look at our history of players we have plucked from the Scottish league who have done well in our team. I’m not interested in whether Frank disagrees with me or not I have an opinion and unlike yours it’s not based on what Frank always says, you may not like this but he can make poor decisions when it comes to players, just look at Werner he took to Chelsea and a couple of others, paid a fortune and he was poor, so it can definitely happen to all managers, by not promoting promising players or shipping out unnecessarily to soon players that could do a job for the team, and if Frank hadn’t shipped him out before he had signed someone to replace Richarlison, he would have been here Saturday to do us job. 

Who is to say that we would have been able to secure him a Championship loan that late? The Scottish league isn’t the Premier League, it’s not even the Championship. Yes, good players can come up through any league. What does that have to do with the overall quality being far worse? It’s pretty standard for a youth striker to need to have a good, high level loan to prove he’s ready for the top level. You act as if this is some unbelievable decision by the club. 
 

If your opinion isn’t based on the managers and coaches who see him all the time and know the game better than you or I then I’m not sure what to say to you. When you go to the doctor do you tell them that you don’t care about their experience and expertise? If you don’t trust those at the club to evaluate the talent we have and make good decisions *shrug*.

9 minutes ago, Haiku said:

Woah. Did we really paid €40m for this kid?

I believe I read we were allowed a pretty small fee this first year. All about pushing these commitments as much as we can until funds free up.

3 minutes ago, Matt Tiger said:

Haven’t been this excited for a transfer in a while. The midfield is looking strong! Now onto the attcack…

Obviously we get a striker in this window but in general you would think we won’t have too much to do at the back or in midfield the next couple windows. Should let us focus on the attack and maybe some promising youth prospects. 

5 hours ago, Palfy said:

You still don’t get the point as I have said numerous times a squad needs 3 forwards, when we sold Richarlison that left us with 2, as a squad we shouldn’t have let Simms go out on loan until we had secured that other striker for obvious reasons, well I say obvious but clearly not, in my view Simms as already proved himself at other clubs that he is goal scorer and good enough to be our number 3 or 2 over Rondon, again first game of the season in the championship gets 2 goals, whilst Everton create moments and opportunities but don’t possess a forward with a natural instinct and finish to take the opportunities presented. You go on about what’s best for Simms and completely disregard what’s best for Everton, we needed him here until the replacement for Richarlison was in the team then he could have gone out on his loan if that was what they felt was required. But nothing to do with DCL injury or Rondon’s suspension and all to do with making sure where possible the squad as the required amount of back up for all positions, which they still had after the Richarlison sale until they shipped Simms out on loan, and in doing so we ended up with Gordon playing the central forward which he clearly couldn’t do, then Dele who managed to be even worse while Simms bangs 2 in for Sunderland. 

Your point is not shrouded in mystery. I get you think Simms should have stayed and is better than Rondon. Frank seems to disagree. Rafa certainly did as well. They see him far more than you or I. Great that he is off to a nice start at Sunderland but no football manager or logical person is going to make determinations based off 1 game, if that were even an option right now. I agree we need 3 forwards. DCL, Rondon (for the moment), and whoever we bring in.
 

A well run football club evaluates things in the long term. Clearly we think that a high level loan is better for Simms and for us and was worth the risk of an out nowhere injury to DCL before the season begins. Yes, it would have been great to have a quality striker in beforehand but that’s not an easy task. How many quality options are there who would come to Everton to backup DCL that we can afford? I don’t know the answer and neither do you. We’ve missed on Kone, Sandro, Niasse, Tosun, King, Kean, and seemingly Rondon in recent years.  It is unsurprising to me that the club would take its time and try to find someone who might actually contribute. If that costs us depth at a position where our starter was perfectly healthy when Simms left then fine. 
 

Do you honestly think that if Simms was ready for this level he would have been allowed to go while we spend money on a backup? Frank just sees him levels above Rondon in training and says “Nah”? He’s got about 30 appearances above the youth levels in his career across a couple of different loans. His one appearance for our senior team he was anonymous. Maybe he gets there, We all hope he does but I’m going to defer to all our managers over the last couple years who seem to agree that he’s not at that point yet. 

14 minutes ago, Palfy said:

Okay you obviously are not grasping what I am saying so let’s leave it there. 

My issue isn’t comprehension. Your point is clear. I just disagree we should have kept Simms because maybe DCL slips getting out of the shower or something before we bring another striker in. A decent little loan is Scotland doesn’t make Simms ready for our first team. I expect if Frank thought he was ready for a legitimate role he would not have left, particularly given our financial situation. Best for Simms and best for us long term to see if he sinks or swims in the Championship. 

7 minutes ago, nyblue23 said:

Just confused why Coady who was on the Wolves bench two days ago gets announced before a guy who was watching our match in our stands.

Coady seemed pretty adamant about getting his deal done as soon as possible. Also, it’s a loan to start so maybe that makes it a little more straight forward to begin with. Also Gana seems delayed because of work Visa issues so maybe the same is true with Onana. Or they want to announce two midfielders from the French league together. Or a dozen other things.

12 minutes ago, badaids said:

The silence now deafening on this transfer.

Starting to get the feeling they we’ve managed to Everton this one right up.

Will be glad to be proved wrong.

It was reported by a credible source two days ago that he was officially an Everton player. A club announcement can be delayed for a number of reasons but this one is done.

3 hours ago, Palfy said:

Fair enough but where is the striker, wouldn’t the sensible thing be to get the striker in before you let Simms go out on loan you need 3 forwards that much we can I hope all agree on. For me a huge mistake to let him go when we did, and that’s not being said in hindsight I was saying that weeks and weeks ago. Another Everton cluster fuck.  

We’ve missed on like 5 strikers in a row. I imagine that getting the right guy is more important then expediency. Again though, we would have assumed that DCL could stay healthy until we brought in some help. Not unreasonable as it’s only likely to be a couple games before that happens. And for what it’s worth we do have Rondon. Just a worse case scenario thing.

I agree with others that longterm Simms needs to have a high level loan and being on our bench isn’t the best thing for him or us. A good loan and he will be in the mix for us next year 

4 minutes ago, c1982 said:

Option, I believe.

Great.

1 minute ago, Aidan said:

Will play a sweeping role in a back 3, fitting into Frank's apparent philosophy, so is a signing with a purpose. But that's not the only purpose. A natural leader, which is well needed, as well as another player who doesn't miss a game and has experience in the league.

Out of the last 304 league games Coady and Tarkowski have played over the past 4 seasons, they've missed 7 between them. Seems like Lamps is tired of the current lack of fit players in the team.

Also seems like his insistence on just doing whatever the manager wants to help the club would mean that if he ends up on our bench sometimes he won’t be too bothered as he knows his role is to be a leader and mentor as much as anything.

1 minute ago, c1982 said:

Basically, the reason we’ve got him and Wolves allowed this is that Coady is a limited player - he’s accomplished in a 3 man defence which is clearly the system we’ll be playing and Wolves won’t - he doesn’t suit a back 4. They’ve probably allowed the loan deal rather than dig their heals in over a permanent deal out of respect.

Is it option to buy or obligation to buy?