Mogsy Posted January 21, 2013 Report Share Posted January 21, 2013 Why do we think jelevic is misfiring so much this season compared to last season, is moyes playing him to deep, are we hoofing the ball up to him to much, instead of playing it into him low as he thrives on one touch chances? What has changed?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avinalaff Posted January 21, 2013 Report Share Posted January 21, 2013 Why do we think jelevic is misfiring so much this season compared to last season, is moyes playing him to deep, are we hoofing the ball up to him to much, instead of playing it into him low as he thrives on one touch chances? What has changed?? Strikers need a rest. We don't have the squad to rotate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aidan Posted January 21, 2013 Report Share Posted January 21, 2013 Strikers need a rest. We don't have the squad to rotate. RVP has played two more games than Jelly... Strikers need a rest as much as any other player. Jelly just isnt as good as we thought. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quinn31 Posted January 21, 2013 Report Share Posted January 21, 2013 (edited) Bad run of form for him continues... He's got to improve some point. He may never have another streak of goals like he did last season, but he's better than what he's produced this year. Edited January 21, 2013 by Quinn31 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted January 21, 2013 Report Share Posted January 21, 2013 (edited) s Why do we think jelevic is misfiring so much this season compared to last season, is moyes playing him to deep, are we hoofing the ball up to him to much, instead of playing it into him low as he thrives on one touch chances? What has changed?? service to him has changed. Hes having to work, whereas when he came everything arrived at his feet, so he didnt need to think nor make an effort, meaning he was fresh to get 1-2 yard burst at the last second. Hes also marked much closer I think.... Edited January 21, 2013 by Matt chicagoblue, Bailey, StevO and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanmckenzieismagic Posted January 21, 2013 Report Share Posted January 21, 2013 Why do we think jelevic is misfiring so much this season compared to last season, is moyes playing him to deep, are we hoofing the ball up to him to much, instead of playing it into him low as he thrives on one touch chances? What has changed?? One word, confidence I still think he will come good again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avinalaff Posted January 21, 2013 Report Share Posted January 21, 2013 RVP has played two more games than Jelly... Strikers need a rest as much as any other player. Jelly just isnt as good as we thought. RVP plays for Utd. Jelly plays for Everton.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest blueboy122 Posted January 21, 2013 Report Share Posted January 21, 2013 Combination of everything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fearthainn Posted January 21, 2013 Report Share Posted January 21, 2013 Needs to be benched, we can't keep playing him just because he was great months ago. Give Anichebe a few starts. Probably won't help Jelavic's confidence, but apparently starting every game isn't helping him either, so better go with the striker who's playing better at the moment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sideliner Posted January 21, 2013 Report Share Posted January 21, 2013 no excuses for the terrible miss from the assist by Anichebe - missed the whole ball completely - eventually the penny dropped - subbed - rotation ? where is Velios? - put out of rotation by Mr Moyes - ended up playing Mirallas out of position as striker after a long layof - instead of Velios - back to the drawing board i am afraid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimonButtle Posted January 21, 2013 Report Share Posted January 21, 2013 Confidence is defo a huge thing for strikers but im starting to wonder whether he is simply not quite as good as maybe we first thought, and he was lucky last season, something needs to change with him and fast. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter H Posted January 21, 2013 Report Share Posted January 21, 2013 More important question is: Whats going on with Osman and Pienaar... If they deliver, Jelly will deliver. He isnt getting the chances, its effected his confidence. When he does get the chances the confidence gets in the way. That was clear when Anichebe handed him a goal on a silver platter and he fucked it up. I think even Naismith would have scored there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoodisonRoad Posted January 21, 2013 Report Share Posted January 21, 2013 sservice to him has changed. Hes having to work, whereas when he came everything arrived at his feet, so he didnt need to think nor make an effort, meaning he was fresh to get 1-2 yard burst at the last second. Hes also marked much closer I think.... This IMO. I also think he's coming far too deep, mainly because of Felli's work rate i think, Felli isnt one to track back 20 yards and stick a foot in...Jelly seems to do a lot more closing down and chasing nothing balls, which IMO should be shared between him and felli, but felli likes the ball to be played into him, he wont do the dirty work as much as jelly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avinalaff Posted January 21, 2013 Report Share Posted January 21, 2013 It's not just about Jelavic. We are empty in the middle, and need to fuck off this idea of playing off the striker, and instead bolster midfield. Naismith, and Osman were shite tonight, and Pienaar wasn't much better. Our movement off the ball is also unenthusiastic, and lethargic. What pisses me off most is when the seconds are counting down, and they are arguing over who takes the throw in. GoodisonRoad 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mogsy Posted January 21, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 21, 2013 I'm not blaming jelly for our lack of form tonight, just wondering why when he came to us last season he could have farted near the ball and it went in the net, yet as happened tonight he wouldn't have scored if the goal was twice the size Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimonButtle Posted January 21, 2013 Report Share Posted January 21, 2013 This IMO. I also think he's coming far too deep, mainly because of Felli's work rate i think, Felli isnt one to track back 20 yards and stick a foot in...Jelly seems to do a lot more closing down and chasing nothing balls, which IMO should be shared between him and felli, but felli likes the ball to be played into him, he wont do the dirty work as much as jelly. Felli played a large part of tonights game in midfield with Osman behind Jelavic, imo the problem lies with Pienaar and the fact he seems to be half the player he was at the beginning of the season and also that i think the partnership between him and Baines has been worked out by the other teams in the league, Baines can still offer a bit more overall, whereas Pienaar just looks lost at the moment imo, and as Avin said our midfield area needs some serious attention, it's lacking big time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blueherts Posted January 21, 2013 Report Share Posted January 21, 2013 Felli playing too far forward. Ossie playing too deep. Peanuts playing too central, Naismith playing in England. And the defence won't pass to neville because he loses possesion so we end up with this horredous long ball stuff. He can't score if nobody gives him the ball in the right place. chicagoblue, Oztoffee and Peter H 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aidan Posted January 21, 2013 Report Share Posted January 21, 2013 RVP plays for Utd. Jelly plays for Everton.. Respectivally thats got fuck all to do with fitness Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted January 21, 2013 Report Share Posted January 21, 2013 It's not just about Jelavic. We are empty in the middle, and need to fuck off this idea of playing off the striker, and instead bolster midfield. Naismith, and Osman were shite tonight, and Pienaar wasn't much better. Our movement off the ball is also unenthusiastic, and lethargic. What pisses me off most is when the seconds are counting down, and they are arguing over who takes the throw in. Spot on. No strength in midfield. No-one to break up play and either run with the ball or play the ball forward. Too content to pass it back & sideways meaning the defence is set and Jelavic is marked. When we show a bit of ambition with the ball we will create chances and Jelavic will take them. He got it wrong today, but he doesnt look the type of player to sulk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avinalaff Posted January 22, 2013 Report Share Posted January 22, 2013 Respectivally thats got fuck all to do with fitness It's got a lot to do with opportunities to score though. I suggest strikers need rotating to keep fit / sharp etc, and you counter it by comparing Jelly to possibly the worlds in form striker, playing for one of the worlds top teams. There will always be exceptions to the rule. I recently read about managers feeling that strikers are sent on to the pitch to give 100% effort, but their peak doing so lasts for about 5 games before they need rest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted January 22, 2013 Report Share Posted January 22, 2013 Problem is: clogging up jelavics space having fellaini stand there in the middle of three 6 footers battling him for one of Jags 30 yard hoofs. Simple as that. Route 1 rubbish that was a reminder of the old unsworth diagonal hoofs to big Dunc. Lowensda, SimonButtle and Matt 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chicagoblue Posted January 23, 2013 Report Share Posted January 23, 2013 Felli playing too far forward. Ossie playing too deep. Peanuts playing too central, Naismith playing in England. And the defence won't pass to neville because he loses possesion so we end up with this horredous long ball stuff. He can't score if nobody gives him the ball in the right place. Pretty accurate. Doesn't help that we've not been able to rotate. Definitely think the Christmas schedule is catching up with us right now, just don't have the extra yard that we had back in Oct/Nov. Also think playing Neville in mid is completely unnecessary against all but, maybe the top sides. Hitz is a much better option in there. Sit him alongside Fellaini in the centre with Osman/Mirallas/Pienaar rotating through the wings and behind the striker. The sooner we get someone with a bit more passing range in the middle of teh park, the sooner we can cut out the non-stop route 1 bombs. Vic has to start the next game or two and I'll join the perhaps premature chorus calling for Vellios to be given another shout. Jelly needs a rest and to be brought on once teams are battered from the two big lads so he can pick off a few and build his confidence back up. Vellios and Vic may not have the technique and finishing of Jelly, but he's not doing it right now and neither of those two are going to cost us anything defensively and both can hold the ball up more than competently to bring in the midfield. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMorley91 Posted January 23, 2013 Report Share Posted January 23, 2013 Agree with a lot of what is being said here, he is not a player who can handle high balls to him all day. Is it just me or is he spending much too much time running the channels too? Whatever his strengths are, being stuck out wide against a full back isn't high up the list (Assist for Vic against Newcastle aside) Really think having Kev back could help Jelly though, seemed to strike up a decent relationship at the start of this season Vic has certainly earned his spot this season, not his biggest fan before but hes won me over. Only concern is Vic and Felli up front together will just turn into long ball central, midfield won't even be looked at. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oztoffee Posted January 23, 2013 Report Share Posted January 23, 2013 Lot of good constructive stuff on this subject. Go away you 'Jelly's crap' people. Players just don't turn crap overnight you titheads. This is all about lack of service and the fact that Fellaini plays too far forward attracting high balls from defenders who often have no other option because the midfielders are hiding. Watch how many times a midfielder will not move into a space where the ball-carrier can see him. Defenders then hoof it and midfielders who have the ball are forced into holding it too long and running into trouble (ie Naismith, Peanuts and Osman). Fellaini won't work enough except for himself and since about October has done f-all because he is so tightly marked......a one-trick pony! Did we miss him when he was banned? Arguably we played the best football of the season at that time. Moyes must get midfield to play for the team and move around FFS. Get midfield up the park doing what they are supposed to do, give the ball-carrier options and allow the forwards to get some ball. And allow Jelly and Anichebe to be poachers and/or goalscorers and not have to run their arses off (a la Moyes' workhorses) out on the wings to get a touch of the ball! Quinn31 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted January 23, 2013 Report Share Posted January 23, 2013 Its just the lack of rotation. We are in a bit of a slump, as is Jelavic, but we dont have the squad to give many players a rest. The best we have played all season was probably away at Villa, and the only change id make from that starting XI is Naismith out, Mirallas in. Jelavic can play perfectly fine with Fellaini behind him, as he can with Osman behind him. The difference is if we have Fellaini up there he scores goal, Osman doesnt. Id rather have one front player scoring rather than none. In the meantime i'd start Anichebe upfront for a few games, take Jelavic out of the firing line to get fresh. Then throw him back in the deep end if Anichebe isnt scoring goals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanmckenzieismagic Posted January 26, 2013 Report Share Posted January 26, 2013 http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/everton-fc/everton-fc-news/2013/01/26/everton-fc-boss-david-moyes-admits-he-faces-a-dilemma-over-nikica-jelavic-100252-32682720/2/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalziel Kane Posted January 26, 2013 Report Share Posted January 26, 2013 Didn't Jelavic have another poor game today from what I can ascertain, in that Moyes brought him off for the last 10 minutes and brought on Heitinga, who ultimately won us the game today. Certainly not the player from end of last season, but there's every chance he could find form again and go on another run again in April and May and come good again ? All I know is, today represented another poor game for the Croat, and just can't find his boots again. It's a shame because people were really excited at the end of last campaign, thought we had something special on our hands, but seems it was all a flash in the pan. There's still opportunity for himself to get back in the goals again, but it has been disappointing this time around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted February 4, 2013 Report Share Posted February 4, 2013 http://www.football365.com/everton/8467498/Anichebe-defends-Jelavic-absence Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter H Posted February 4, 2013 Report Share Posted February 4, 2013 I hope Moyes has the guts to try something new against Man Utd. (Like he did in the first game when he pushed up Felli) We cant do it again. Man U will be ready for it. They will be expecting Felli up front as he did such a number on them last time. I want to see a 442 diamond. That would be really surprising and very aggressive. Cant have them coming at us. I want Jelly on the pitch for this game. He will be inspired after sitting on the bench for two games. ................Howard.................. Neville...Jags...Distin...Baines ................Gibson................... Mirallas......................Pienaar ..................Felli..................... ..........Jelavic.....Anichebe...... Or ................Howard.................. Neville...Jags...Distin...Baines ................Fellaini................... Mirallas......................Pienaar ..................Osman................. ..........Jelavic.....Anichebe...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Posted February 4, 2013 Report Share Posted February 4, 2013 He wont play two strikers at Old Trafford, He doesn't play two strikers at home. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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