SimonButtle Posted June 15, 2013 Report Share Posted June 15, 2013 When did he play at Senior level Simon? Don't think he's played for the first team but he has certainly been called into the senior squad in the past, he deserves his chance imo if not then sell him kurt321 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcirony Posted June 15, 2013 Report Share Posted June 15, 2013 Just to add, don't you think it's great that Everton have 5 players going to the U-20s World Cup?! That's a quarter of the whole England team from our academy. The futures bright, the futures blue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avinalaff Posted June 15, 2013 Report Share Posted June 15, 2013 Don't think he's played for the first team but he has certainly been called into the senior squad in the past, he deserves his chance imo if not then sell him or be patient with his progress until he's truly ready ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimonButtle Posted June 15, 2013 Report Share Posted June 15, 2013 or be patient with his progress until he's truly ready ? He's very highly rated by other clubs and managers by all accounts so could probably go somewhere else and get a first team spot. Also, what are the alternatives? a want-away dutch CB who is either solid or just bloody awful, hoofball Jags, an aging Distin or it seems an injury prone Paraguayan CB who has just been relegated and is also not really the age we want to be looking at. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avinalaff Posted June 15, 2013 Report Share Posted June 15, 2013 He's very highly rated by other clubs and managers by all accounts so could probably go somewhere else and get a first team spot. Also, what are the alternatives? a want-away dutch CB who is either solid or just bloody awful, hoofball Jags, an aging Distin or it seems an injury prone Paraguayan CB who has just been relegated and is also not really the age we want to be looking at. We have one of the best defensive records in the Prem, yet our clean sheets were few and far between. From Duff's angle, yeah, play him, why not? I guess from the clubs angle, it's why remove Distin or Jags from the starting line up if it's working out ok? Is he 'better' than those defenders to a point that he should start ahead of them? As fans, we can't answer that, but as a trainer / coach, who's job it is to watch each player very closely, they can. He might get a starting spot with other teams, but that's not very relevant as to whether he is going to get a starting spot here. He's only 21, so it's not like he is at a career crossroads. Eventually his chance will come, but I don't think us signing Alcaraz will affect that. We need numbers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimonButtle Posted June 15, 2013 Report Share Posted June 15, 2013 (edited) We have one of the best defensive records in the Prem, yet our clean sheets were few and far between. From Duff's angle, yeah, play him, why not? I guess from the clubs angle, it's why remove Distin or Jags from the starting line up if it's working out ok? Is he 'better' than those defenders to a point that he should start ahead of them? As fans, we can't answer that, but as a trainer / coach, who's job it is to watch each player very closely, they can. He might get a starting spot with other teams, but that's not very relevant as to whether he is going to get a starting spot here. He's only 21, so it's not like he is at a career crossroads. Eventually his chance will come, but I don't think us signing Alcaraz will affect that. We need numbers. It will all come down to how Martinez lines the team up tbh. Id just like to see him get a chance of a run in the team ahead of Heitinga and (potentially) Alcaraz,, people are also forgetting about Stones and the fact that Martinez is a big fan and tried to take him to the DW. Yes we do need numbers Av, but imo those numbers are in other areas until Heitinga actually leaves or stops whinging. Bringing in another 30 year old defender is not my idea of 'A new way forward' Edited June 15, 2013 by Simon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Louis Posted June 15, 2013 Report Share Posted June 15, 2013 It's only to replace Heitinga in my opinion. EFC just want to ensure we have someone in before selling, it's only sensible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shukes Posted June 15, 2013 Report Share Posted June 15, 2013 simple fact is that Heits is not good enough and we need to replace him. Alcaraz on a free makes sense. And stop saying Jags is the hoofball CB when the so called ball playing CB heits think he is david beckham and can play those long diagonl balls which very rarely reach the target. Thats just the same, at least jags can clear his lines. Jags is our best CB by a mile, and simple fact is he is one of the best in the country. We need another decent Cb and a cannot think of anyone available that we could go for? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter H Posted June 27, 2013 Report Share Posted June 27, 2013 http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/everton-transfer-news-martinez-eyes-2002391 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluenosetoffee Posted July 1, 2013 Author Report Share Posted July 1, 2013 http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/everton-fc-closing-wigan-defender-4798394 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted July 1, 2013 Report Share Posted July 1, 2013 Just looking around, he was on 40k a week at Wigan!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcopaulo Posted July 1, 2013 Report Share Posted July 1, 2013 if he gets close to that no thanks Steve_E 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve_E Posted July 1, 2013 Report Share Posted July 1, 2013 if he gets close to that no thanks Add in a signing fee and a fee for his manager and we might be cheaper off just having Heitinga on the books for another season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted July 1, 2013 Report Share Posted July 1, 2013 Just looking around, he was on 40k a week at Wigan!!!! It says when he got his fine for spitting he was hit with a fine of £40k - two weeks wages. I would be surprised if Wigan paid anyone £40k a week with their budget. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted July 1, 2013 Report Share Posted July 1, 2013 It says when he got his fine for spitting he was hit with a fine of £40k - two weeks wages. I would be surprised if Wigan paid anyone £40k a week with their budget. http://matchincome.com/2013/02/22/antolin-alcaraz-salary-or-income/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowensda Posted July 1, 2013 Report Share Posted July 1, 2013 http://matchincome.com/2013/02/22/antolin-alcaraz-salary-or-income/ From your source Matt, Antolín Alcaraz Weekly Income: €12,000 (Euros) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted July 1, 2013 Report Share Posted July 1, 2013 From your source Matt, Antolín Alcaraz Weekly Income: €12,000 (Euros) Am I reading the wrong part again.... bourbon kills brain cells.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EFC-Paul Posted July 1, 2013 Report Share Posted July 1, 2013 Haha was just about to post that you've gone off the monthly figure Around £10.000 a week is peanuts in today's game and I very much doubt We could get many players in who know the league already on that kind of money. Quinn31 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimonButtle Posted July 1, 2013 Report Share Posted July 1, 2013 I don't want us too look at CB's at the moment, other positions are more important imo. Anyway Heitinga may stay now there is a new manager, it's a different set of ideas now and he might see it as a chance to get back in the team. It was very difficult for him last season, following on from a player of the season award, with limited appearances was always going to be difficult, he always looked as though he was trying too hard to impress last season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EFC-Paul Posted July 1, 2013 Report Share Posted July 1, 2013 Your right in that it's not a priority but we still need cover Simon, If we got one or two injuries we could end up in a worrying situation and our squad is small as it is so I'd welcome Him here as cover. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sibdane Posted July 1, 2013 Report Share Posted July 1, 2013 If it's for around the 10,000 quoted above, then I'd have him, and send Duffy on loan to the Championship for one more season if Martinez deems him not ready. Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornish Steve Posted July 1, 2013 Report Share Posted July 1, 2013 I don't want us too look at CB's at the moment, other positions are more important imo. Anyway Heitinga may stay now there is a new manager, it's a different set of ideas now and he might see it as a chance to get back in the team. It was very difficult for him last season, following on from a player of the season award, with limited appearances was always going to be difficult, he always looked as though he was trying too hard to impress last season. If you read the strategy article posted today in the general discussion area, you'll understand more why Alcaraz would be a solid acquisition. In business, companies succeed by formulating a winning strategy and then making all decisions consistent with that strategy. It has to be the same in football, right? Once your strategy is in place, all in and out transfers, all loans, all training drills, all preparation games, all team selections, all game reviews, etc. must be consistent with your strategy. Once you drift from it, you lose focus. Issues such as average team age, transfer fees, fan perceptions, and player strengths and weaknesses, while important, should always be secondary considerations. A well-considered and consistent strategy is what matters most. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanmckenzieismagic Posted July 1, 2013 Report Share Posted July 1, 2013 If we can bring in a better defender than Hietinga (based on last seasons form he cant be any worse) for free who is on a quarter of the Johnny's wage then sell Heitinga to free up transfer funds then its a no brainer for me EFC-Paul and Sibdane 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowensda Posted July 1, 2013 Report Share Posted July 1, 2013 Dunc, via your logic, we could (/should) be looking at a £30k a week player, with the wage bill left over. Someone with considerable ability at least...that being said, Morten Gamst Pederson's being paid £60k a week...!? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EFC-Paul Posted July 1, 2013 Report Share Posted July 1, 2013 (edited) I don't think He's implying that Ten if it was the case it would purely free up money to go to or towards another player whether that be at lower rate or higher. The situation with Pedersen means nothing and has no relevance to potential transfers and players what so ever.... Edited July 1, 2013 by EFC-Paul Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowensda Posted July 1, 2013 Report Share Posted July 1, 2013 But that's what I mean. Heitinga on 40k = Alcaraz 10k + Player B 30k Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avinalaff Posted July 1, 2013 Report Share Posted July 1, 2013 I didn't know about the spitting incident. As far as I'm concerned, it's put me off completely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EFC-Paul Posted July 1, 2013 Report Share Posted July 1, 2013 (edited) I know what your saying but you can't work off that logic there's far to many factors to take into account even the money recouped from a sale of a player to the new one or if on a free then agent fee's and so on. Then we could have more money set aside to put to any other potential players wages and so on, Your never going to run a club on ridgid one dimensional logic like that. Edited July 1, 2013 by EFC-Paul Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimonButtle Posted July 1, 2013 Report Share Posted July 1, 2013 If we can bring in a better defender than Hietinga (based on last seasons form he cant be any worse) for free who is on a quarter of the Johnny's wage then sell Heitinga to free up transfer funds then its a no brainer for me This is the same Heitinga that a large section of Blues fans voted player of the season not 2 years ago. He was limited to few chances last season because Daveys top boy(Jags) was fit again and Heits just lost his place. I actually think his game maybe more suited towards Martinez style of play, id like to see him stay till at least January and see how it goes for him, Heitinga does have something to offer imo. pete0 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avinalaff Posted July 1, 2013 Report Share Posted July 1, 2013 I know what your saying but you can't work off that logic there's far to many factors to take into account even the money recouped from a sale of a player to the new one or if on a free then agent fee's and so on. Then we could have more money set aside to put to any other potential players wages and so on, Your never going to run a club on ridgid one dimensional logic like that. Can you use the quote facility Paul, as don't know who you're replying too sometimes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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