bluenosetoffee Posted June 5, 2013 Author Report Share Posted June 5, 2013 For the way Martinez plays, I'd sooner have McCarthy than Fellaini. I know it sounds mad but I believe its the case. McCarthy is disciplined, consistent, hard working and extremely mobile with a tremendous engine. There are good and bad points on both sides. McCarthey - Arguably is the better at defending. He had more blocks, clearances than Fellaini this season. Fellaini - better at attack and when the ball is forward is good at passing. Felli played well this season. McCarthey is a bit like Gibbo I think good passer. We will see what happens anyway, if McCarthey came to Everton I would welcome him anyway :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
c1982 Posted June 5, 2013 Report Share Posted June 5, 2013 Heitinga will go for 5-7mil. I hope Monnaco come in and say yeah Heitinga is young, why don't we bid 15mil for Evra and 15mil for Hetinga. We'll get about £3m for Johnny with his contract moving into the final year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluenosetoffee Posted June 5, 2013 Author Report Share Posted June 5, 2013 It is a shame though as he is worth more than that. I wish if Heitinga wasn't part of Moyes plans last season that we got rid of him then. Why do we leave it until the last year of their contract to say....where not sure about you, will you sign a new contract? Heitinga obviously wasn't going to sign a new contract with not playing a lot of games this season. I admire that about a footballer though, he could have signed a new contract and thought I will sit on the bench and get paid but instead he wants to move to a club where he can play regular football. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve_E Posted June 5, 2013 Report Share Posted June 5, 2013 We'll get about £3m for Johnny with his contract moving into the final year. If that, apparently Fenerbahce weren't willing to pay that much last time around. Now he's got even less time on his contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluenosetoffee Posted June 5, 2013 Author Report Share Posted June 5, 2013 Fenerbahce are a club who like to pay peanuts for a player. We were arguing about Yobo for ages on end. They got Kuyt for like 1mil as he had a release clause in his contract that he could go to another foreign club for 1mil. They spent 8mil on Mirrelles but can't fork out 5-7mil for Heitinga? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Louis Posted June 5, 2013 Report Share Posted June 5, 2013 That's how they negotiate. If there's a fee clause, they'll match it, negotiate with the player, withdraw the bid and submit a lower one with the player's offer unaffected knowing that the player has agreed terms. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted June 5, 2013 Report Share Posted June 5, 2013 That's how they negotiate. If there's a fee clause, they'll match it, negotiate with the player, withdraw the bid and submit a lower one with the player's offer unaffected knowing that the player has agreed terms. They're a horrible, horrible club. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve_E Posted June 5, 2013 Report Share Posted June 5, 2013 That's how they negotiate. If there's a fee clause, they'll match it, negotiate with the player, withdraw the bid and submit a lower one with the player's offer unaffected knowing that the player has agreed terms. Isn't that sorta what we did with Fer? I haven't read anything about Fenerbahce doing that btw. Heitinga's only said that our evaluation of his worth was too high. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted June 5, 2013 Report Share Posted June 5, 2013 Isn't that sorta what we did with Fer? We just wanted to restructure the payments, not lower the overall price (I think). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 5, 2013 Report Share Posted June 5, 2013 Johnny will go so that means we need a centre half. On a free why not? would like us to make a statement and get Varmalean tho Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cake Posted June 5, 2013 Report Share Posted June 5, 2013 Bit too close to jail-bait for my liking....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted June 6, 2013 Report Share Posted June 6, 2013 FFS. Now it begins. Can someone point out that their players got them relegated? players exactly. It wasnt down to 1 person. I dont know enough about the guy to be honest, but an internal on a free with cheap wages? worth risking a 2 year deal in my opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted June 6, 2013 Report Share Posted June 6, 2013 Bit of informed opinions required here chaps... we don't have to pretend we know everything about every footballer but we can use the wonderful internet to get some info:- Wigans league record with Alcaraz (2012/2013) Played 9, Won 4, Drawn 1, Lost 4. Goals conceded per game 1.22, points per game 1.44, win percentage 44.44% Wigans league record without Alcaraz (2012/2013) Played 24, Won 4, Drawn 6, Lost 14. Goals conceded per game 2.04, points per game 0.75, win percentage 16.67% Dunno about anyone else but for me that points to a highly important player that they have missed for a large chunk of games. A south american international, free transfer, low wages, allows us to free funds up by selling Heitinga, knows the Premier league (and has been well exposed to the best strikers) pete0 and Sibdane 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter H Posted June 6, 2013 Report Share Posted June 6, 2013 Why did he only feature in 9 games? Injury prone? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted June 6, 2013 Report Share Posted June 6, 2013 Why did he only feature in 9 games? Injury prone? No one off groin injury Season from to Injury 12/13 12.09.2012 09.02.2013 Groin Injury 11/12 21.08.2011 15.10.2011 07/08 18.12.2007 01.03.2008 torn tendon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluenosetoffee Posted June 6, 2013 Author Report Share Posted June 6, 2013 He did his groin in on international duty and needed surgery. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted June 6, 2013 Report Share Posted June 6, 2013 Bit too close to jail-bait for my liking....... Would cause problems for opposition strikers I think....no-one ever escapes from Alcaraz . Sibdane and Matt 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted June 6, 2013 Report Share Posted June 6, 2013 Would cause problems for opposition strikers I think....no-one ever escapes from Alcaraz . My heads gone Eastwood with this, I think Big Dunc will like him, being a Birdman Sibdane 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuffRob Posted June 6, 2013 Report Share Posted June 6, 2013 Would be decent enough on a free transfer - 30 year old, so a good four of five years left on him as central defender. He's not going to be on massive wages, a two year deal wouldn't be the worst deal in the world. Probabley one of Wigan's better defenders. Cut his teeth in Italy. Already knows Martinez's requirements and tactics. He wouldn't come in on particualry large wages. One of Wigan's biggest problems last season was having this guy (plus one or two others0 missing at the back. Missed most of last season with an injury (as pointed out above). Wigan did considerabley better when he was on the pitch. If Heits does go, then a free centre back would not be a bad idea. It's not a transfer that's going to set the world on fire, but not much risk on him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Louis Posted June 6, 2013 Report Share Posted June 6, 2013 If an attacker out-paces him, is that considered to be an 'Escape from Alcaraz' ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avinalaff Posted June 6, 2013 Report Share Posted June 6, 2013 I'd like Shawcross if we were able to do a deal. Possibly a swap for Heitinga plus a few quid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted June 6, 2013 Report Share Posted June 6, 2013 I'd like Shawcross if we were able to do a deal. Possibly a swap for Heitinga plus a few quid. Bit of a yard dog for my liking. Penno risk whenever he makes a challenge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted June 6, 2013 Report Share Posted June 6, 2013 Bit of a yard dog for my liking. Penno risk whenever he makes a challenge. A bit? He's a full yard dog! And he'd be massively overpriced being English. Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avinalaff Posted June 6, 2013 Report Share Posted June 6, 2013 I love the way he just got up and got on with it after being butted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve_E Posted June 6, 2013 Report Share Posted June 6, 2013 A bit? He's a full yard dog! And he'd be massively overpriced being English. He's also all that's wrong with English players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted June 6, 2013 Report Share Posted June 6, 2013 I love the way he just got up and got on with it after being butted. By Felli? He crawled around on the ground like a little girl until the ball went out of play and then a team mate dragged him up....and it was only a tickle from Felli, more of a nudge than a full on butt. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3GuFkmQvf8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avinalaff Posted June 6, 2013 Report Share Posted June 6, 2013 By Felli? He crawled around on the ground like a little girl until the ball went out of play and then a team mate dragged him up....and it was only a tickle from Felli, more of a nudge than a full on butt. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3GuFkmQvf8 It looked like a butt to me lol. He is a big strong lad, young, experienced, and a good replacement for Distin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluenosetoffee Posted June 6, 2013 Author Report Share Posted June 6, 2013 Rather get Alcaraz on a free than Shawcross who is massively over prized. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avinalaff Posted June 6, 2013 Report Share Posted June 6, 2013 Rather get Alcaraz on a free than Shawcross who is massively over prized. If we give a freebie a contract, why not consider Danny Simpson, who is 4 years younger than Alcaraz? As long as he stayed away from that X Factor bimbo he might get his form. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted June 6, 2013 Report Share Posted June 6, 2013 Danny Simpson is a RB so I'm not sure how he's comparable to Alcaraz. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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