Memmaclub Posted December 31, 2014 Report Share Posted December 31, 2014 Red decisions and in 3 cases now Red Cards. The one at City would have put them at 10 men at 0-0 and in that match we were robbed by a penalty decision too. The Newcastle game should have been a red too. I am sure there are others. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brett Angel Posted December 31, 2014 Report Share Posted December 31, 2014 it really doesnt matter. we should be beaten newcastle with eleven men Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddock Posted December 31, 2014 Report Share Posted December 31, 2014 Ref decisions is just a poor excuse. Clutching at straws. We've been piss poor and not good enough that's the main reason we've not won games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted December 31, 2014 Report Share Posted December 31, 2014 This has been mentioned a few times now, can't find the links now though. We should've beaten the teams put in front of us with 11 men, but theres no denying that playing against 10 men for the majority of the game (City, Newcastle, Stoke) is a big difference, especially when the player who should've been sent off is there to score against you. I just want some fair consistency from the refs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddock Posted December 31, 2014 Report Share Posted December 31, 2014 This has been mentioned a few times now, can't find the links now though. We should've beaten the teams put in front of us with 11 men, but theres no denying that playing against 10 men for the majority of the game (City, Newcastle, Stoke) is a big difference, especially when the player who should've been sent off is there to score against you. I just want some fair consistency from the refs. We all do Matt, every fan, manager, club chairman etc does and there's no denying we've had the shitty end of the stick in recent times but it's no excuse for us playing shit mate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted December 31, 2014 Report Share Posted December 31, 2014 We all do Matt, every fan, manager, club chairman etc does and there's no denying we've had the shitty end of the stick in recent times but it's no excuse for us playing shit mate. absolutely not, but its still a factor that cannot be ignored Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted December 31, 2014 Report Share Posted December 31, 2014 I would say refs have cost us more points than any other team. It has got a bit daft. duncanmckenzieismagic and Matt 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluenosetoffee Posted December 31, 2014 Report Share Posted December 31, 2014 I still think we wouldn't have won with 10 men against Newcastle. We played poor and didn't look like scoring at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcopaulo Posted December 31, 2014 Report Share Posted December 31, 2014 We scored twice Pearso 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brett Angel Posted December 31, 2014 Report Share Posted December 31, 2014 I would say refs have cost us more points than any other team. It has got a bit daft. Not sending someone off doesn't cost you points, it's disallowing clear goals that cost ya points. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted December 31, 2014 Report Share Posted December 31, 2014 Not sending someone off doesn't cost you points, it's disallowing clear goals that cost ya points. Just taking the latest 2 examples, the red card decisions clearly had an impact on points. You don't think the decision against Stoke, through 1 on 1 with the keeper, wasn't going to prevent a goal? A goal that would've put us 1 up. Even if it hadn't gone in, would've impacted the opposition quite dramatically in terms of shape and motivation. You don't think that the 1st goal scorer for Newcastle who shouldn't have been on the pitch to score had an impact on us losing points? I'm not saying its an excuse, in any of the many reds that were not given. However these decisions have certainly been contributing factors to the results. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest rusty747 Posted December 31, 2014 Report Share Posted December 31, 2014 (edited) Yes, we have been hard done by with regards to ref decisions but lets be honest - if we were good enough we would make sure we still won the games anyway. I remember the Everton of the mid 80s - teams knew that if they scored against us it would make us angry and we would then put three or four past them in return - probably giving them a footballing lesson in the process. Now, we dont have the arrogance, belief and unity that is a pre requisite for that type of performance. Interesting question. How many former Wigan players were in the Everton starting eleven at Newcastle? Answer is Five. Robles, Alcaraz, Baines, McCarthy, Kone. We need a Gravesen or a Reid type of character in the middle to give us leadership. It might be McCarthy one day but he's not there yet. Edited December 31, 2014 by rusty747 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted December 31, 2014 Report Share Posted December 31, 2014 Yes, we have been hard done by with regards to ref decisions but lets be honest - if we were good enough we would make sure we still won the games anyway. I remember the Everton of the mid 80s - teams knew that if they scored against us it would make us angry and we would then put three or four past them in return - probably giving them a footballing lesson in the process. Now, we dont have the arrogance, belief and unity that is a pre requisite for that type of performance. Interesting question. How many former Wigan players were in the Everton starting eleven at Newcastle? Answer is Five. Robles, Alcaraz, Baines, McCarthy, Kone. We need a Gravesen or a Reid type of character in the middle to give us leadership. It might be McCarthy one day but he's not there yet. Remember that feeling so well; if we went a goal down, particularly an early goal, just used to smile to myself and think, "....you'll regret that." Happy days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brett Angel Posted December 31, 2014 Report Share Posted December 31, 2014 Just taking the latest 2 examples, the red card decisions clearly had an impact on points. You don't think the decision against Stoke, through 1 on 1 with the keeper, wasn't going to prevent a goal? A goal that would've put us 1 up. Even if it hadn't gone in, would've impacted the opposition quite dramatically in terms of shape and motivation. You don't think that the 1st goal scorer for Newcastle who shouldn't have been on the pitch to score had an impact on us losing points? I'm not saying its an excuse, in any of the many reds that were not given. However these decisions have certainly been contributing factors to the results. It could have and couldn't have against stoke. It's not to say he would have scored and if they went a man down they would have put ten men behind the ball, and we have seen before that we are the worst team in breaking someone down. Howard, Coleman, Mcarthy, Mirallas, have all had moments of madness this season and got away with it, so it evens itself up. We need to stop complaining about these things. If we put the ball in the back of the opponents net mote than they do with ours, we win t he game, END OF!!! MC11 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornish Steve Posted December 31, 2014 Report Share Posted December 31, 2014 It's good that the FA have given Cisse a retroactive red card. His 3-match suspension, however, benefits our competitors and not us. If a red card is given retroactively, maybe one goal should be added to the other team's total for each affected half. In other words, if the sending off would have been in the first half, add two goals for the opponents; if in the second half, add one goal for the opponents. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elston Gunnn Posted December 31, 2014 Report Share Posted December 31, 2014 This has been mentioned a few times now, can't find the links now though. I just want some fair consistency from the refs. Linked in "What is wrong?" thread. http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/should-referees-apologise-everton-boss-8360973 Consistency is the issue. The number of decisions that have gone against Everton in the first half of this season is noticeable and has had an impact. We probably all agree that good play should have been able to overcome poor refereeing calls, but that doesn't totally negate the disadvantage we've faced in several games. Surely one needn't be either a complainer or conspiracist to acknowledge that poor ref calls regularly have an impact in several sports. Just occasionally a poor call has such a major impact that it can be said to have come pretty close to determining the outcome. We want RM to do a better job, players returning to fitness, players playing much better, and sensible, professional, consistent refereeing. In sum, a happy new year. Sibdane 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sibdane Posted December 31, 2014 Report Share Posted December 31, 2014 Linked in "What is wrong?" thread. http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/should-referees-apologise-everton-boss-8360973 Consistency is the issue. The number of decisions that have gone against Everton in the first half of this season is noticeable and has had an impact. We probably all agree that good play should have been able to overcome poor refereeing calls, but that doesn't totally negate the disadvantage we've faced in several games. Surely one needn't be either a complainer or conspiracist to acknowledge that poor ref calls regularly have an impact in several sports. Just occasionally a poor call has such a major impact that it can be said to have come pretty close to determining the outcome. We want RM to do a better job, players returning to fitness, players playing much better, and sensible, professional, consistent refereeing. In sum, a happy new year. Amen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Memmaclub Posted January 1, 2015 Author Report Share Posted January 1, 2015 I agree playing badly is the main issue but if we get those 3 decisions at the time they went against us and to be negative only take a 1win and two draws from the games that is still 5 points better off and we look a lot happier. It's bollox to say these decisions don't change the game how many times do we here the saying that early red card ruined the game. It has a massive impact and allows RM to tune his tactics to take advantage. I think an early sending off when the game is tied is bigger than a penalty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sideliner Posted January 1, 2015 Report Share Posted January 1, 2015 Referee decisions at critical moments are more decisive in the outcome of most games than generally believed - especially in a low scoring game like football. Referees should be held accountable for piss poor decisions - an apology is not enough has Everton ever had a season where more bad decisions went their way? never - so don't come with the swings and roundabout bollocks - where does the law of averages fit into this? this is however a matter standing separate from our poor defense and general play this season Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted January 13, 2015 Report Share Posted January 13, 2015 Not to take away from our performance tonight, but another astoundingly awful bunch of officials again tonight Sideliner and pete0 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete0 Posted January 13, 2015 Report Share Posted January 13, 2015 Not to take away from our performance tonight, but another astoundingly awful bunch of officials again tonight Ref loved throwing his yellow card about for us daring to put a foot in. No consistency at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted January 13, 2015 Report Share Posted January 13, 2015 Ref loved throwing his yellow card about for us daring to put a foot in. No consistency at all. Carroll led with the elbow 4 time by my count. Neither of the should-ve-been pens were fouls either pete0 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
c1982 Posted January 13, 2015 Report Share Posted January 13, 2015 Ref loved throwing his yellow card about for us daring to put a foot in. No consistency at all. Yet he ignored their players scrapping on the pitch! pete0 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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