Palfy Posted June 17, 2023 Report Share Posted June 17, 2023 I’m more in agreement with some pundits that England are bringing their one day cricket mentality of all out attack with batting and bowling to their test matches, whether this proves successful or not time will tell. But it can’t be denied that it’s refreshing to have a different approach to what can be a very slow and defensive 5 days. Cornish Steve 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornish Steve Posted June 17, 2023 Report Share Posted June 17, 2023 3 minutes ago, Palfy said: I’m more in agreement with some pundits that England are bringing their one day cricket mentality of all out attack with batting and bowling to their test matches, whether this proves successful or not time will tell. But it can’t be denied that it’s refreshing to have a different approach to what can be a very slow and defensive 5 days. Do you remember when David Steele batted for England? There were times when he would score fewer than ten runs an hour! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palfy Posted June 17, 2023 Report Share Posted June 17, 2023 5 minutes ago, Cornish Steve said: Psychology is certainly an important factor, as is momentum. England appear to have tried the former, but the Australians now have the latter. It's a finely poised game right now. England have tried something different Australia are sticking to the usual test format, let’s not get into the I dislike anything English mentality Steve or we won’t allow your Pasties in our beautiful country Formby 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palfy Posted June 17, 2023 Report Share Posted June 17, 2023 7 minutes ago, Cornish Steve said: Do you remember when David Steele batted for England? There were times when he would score fewer than ten runs an hour! No I don’t to be honest, but I’m not much of a cricket fan, yet I do respect people for trying something different. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Formby Posted June 17, 2023 Report Share Posted June 17, 2023 17 minutes ago, Cornish Steve said: Do you remember when David Steele batted for England? There were times when he would score fewer than ten runs an hour! Ten runs an hour was quite good against the Australian and WI pace attacks of the day. Steele had steel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornish Steve Posted June 17, 2023 Report Share Posted June 17, 2023 17 minutes ago, Formby said: Ten runs an hour was quite good against the Australian and WI pace attacks of the day. Steele had steel. Yes, the heyday of West Indian cricket: Richards, Holding, Holder, Roberts. Some say it's urban legend, but, during one England vs. West Indies test, Brian Johnston is reputed to have said "the bowler's Holding, the batsman's Willey". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Formby Posted June 18, 2023 Report Share Posted June 18, 2023 9 hours ago, Cornish Steve said: Yes, the heyday of West Indian cricket: Richards, Holding, Holder, Roberts. Some say it's urban legend, but, during one England vs. West Indies test, Brian Johnston is reputed to have said "the bowler's Holding, the batsman's Willey". Regrettably apocryphal, I think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted June 18, 2023 Report Share Posted June 18, 2023 It's not arrogance and it's nothing new for this England side. It's the way they want to play the game (always moving it forward to try and get a win while not being afraid of losing instead of playing it safe). It's a method that's worked seeing as they've only lost two Test's since Stokes took over the captaincy and won 12 or 13. They said they wouldn't change their mentality just because it's the Ashes and they haven't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Formby Posted June 18, 2023 Report Share Posted June 18, 2023 A lead of 7, then. Now a shootout. Psychologically huge if they can take the first test. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted June 18, 2023 Report Share Posted June 18, 2023 8 minutes ago, Formby said: A lead of 7, then. Now a shootout. Psychologically huge if they can take the first test. We need to bat much better in the second innings for me. I feel like we left a lot of runs out there in the first innings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Formby Posted June 18, 2023 Report Share Posted June 18, 2023 27 minutes ago, Romey 1878 said: We need to bat much better in the second innings for me. I feel like we left a lot of runs out there in the first innings. I think it will be more difficult this innings. Australia will have spotted things. So will we. Hoping for another declaration and a 10 wicket 200 run win. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted June 18, 2023 Report Share Posted June 18, 2023 1 minute ago, Formby said: I think it will be more difficult this innings. Australia will have spotted things. So will we. Hoping for another declaration and a 10 wicket win. Only Oz can get a ten wicket win Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Formby Posted June 18, 2023 Report Share Posted June 18, 2023 12 minutes ago, MikeO said: Only Oz can get a ten wicket win Er, I was imagining I was Steve for a second! What I meant to say was a 200 run win. MikeO and Romey 1878 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted June 18, 2023 Report Share Posted June 18, 2023 Always a worry going back in after a rain delay, was kind of hoping it had set in for the day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted June 18, 2023 Report Share Posted June 18, 2023 4 minutes ago, MikeO said: Always a worry going back in after a rain delay, was kind of hoping it had set in for the day. Losing both openers straight after the break is not ideal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted June 18, 2023 Report Share Posted June 18, 2023 19 minutes ago, Romey 1878 said: Losing both openers straight after the break is not ideal. But totally predictable, openers are still the weakest part of the team by a distance, imagine if we had players like Gooch/Atherton/Trescothick/Cook/Strauss at one and two. Romey 1878 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornish Steve Posted June 18, 2023 Report Share Posted June 18, 2023 1 hour ago, MikeO said: But totally predictable, openers are still the weakest part of the team by a distance, imagine if we had players like Gooch/Atherton/Trescothick/Cook/Strauss at one and two. Well, with five players playing at one and two, England might just stand a chance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted June 19, 2023 Report Share Posted June 19, 2023 Well and truly ballsing this up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornish Steve Posted June 19, 2023 Report Share Posted June 19, 2023 13 minutes ago, Romey 1878 said: Well and truly ballsing this up. It makes that declaration look more and more stupid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Formby Posted June 19, 2023 Report Share Posted June 19, 2023 21 minutes ago, Cornish Steve said: It makes that declaration look more and more stupid. Right on cue! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornish Steve Posted June 19, 2023 Report Share Posted June 19, 2023 2 minutes ago, Formby said: Right on cue! But doesn't it? This is a 5-day test match. Who in their right mind would declare on the very first day? It blows my mind. (Agreed that things always look different in hindsight, but I really really don't understand why a captain would do that for fewer than, say, 500 runs on a second day.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Formby Posted June 19, 2023 Report Share Posted June 19, 2023 37 minutes ago, Romey 1878 said: Well and truly ballsing this up. I think it's time for another declaration, don't you? Spot of tea, then skittle them for under 100? Romey 1878 and Cornish Steve 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Formby Posted June 19, 2023 Report Share Posted June 19, 2023 Just now, Cornish Steve said: But doesn't it? This is a 5-day test match. Who in their right mind would declare on the very first day? It blows my mind. (Agreed that things always look different in hindsight, but I really really don't understand why a captain would do that for fewer than, say, 500 runs on a second day.) Steve, I absolutely agree with you and said at the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Formby Posted June 19, 2023 Report Share Posted June 19, 2023 Robinson on his jollies here. If we can get a 300 lead, that would be a real target. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Formby Posted June 19, 2023 Report Share Posted June 19, 2023 Edgbaston fourth innings is very tough. Well played, Ollie. Take it beyond 270, game is even, I think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted June 19, 2023 Report Share Posted June 19, 2023 10 minutes ago, Formby said: Edgbaston fourth innings is very tough. Well played, Ollie. Take it beyond 270, game is even, I think. Our bowlers are going to have to bowl out of their skin no matter what we get. The pitch hasn't got much in it at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Formby Posted June 19, 2023 Report Share Posted June 19, 2023 1 minute ago, Romey 1878 said: Our bowlers are going to have to bowl out of their skin no matter what we get. The pitch hasn't got much in it at all. Lyon is finding turn. Can Ali do the same? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Formby Posted June 19, 2023 Report Share Posted June 19, 2023 it's a great effort from the tail. Very commendable. MikeO 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted June 19, 2023 Report Share Posted June 19, 2023 4 minutes ago, Formby said: Lyon is finding turn. Can Ali do the same? He's nowhere near as good (should never have been asked to come out of retirement for me) and his spinning finger is fucked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Formby Posted June 19, 2023 Report Share Posted June 19, 2023 1 minute ago, Romey 1878 said: He's nowhere near as good (should never have been asked to come out of retirement for me) and his spinning finger is fucked. Who would you have gone with? I'm guessing they thought he could add some runs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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