Mirallas Posted January 3, 2016 Report Share Posted January 3, 2016 I disagree with much of that, but I'll stick to the "agree to disagree" TT principal and leave it there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC11 Posted January 3, 2016 Report Share Posted January 3, 2016 Well I watched the game from beginning to end as well and I noticed while I was watching that one of the things going wrong were the amount of passes that didn't arrive for everton. So I looked at the stats to see if my impression was justified and yes, 24% of EFC passes didn't arrive, as opposed to 15% for Spurs. So why am I zooming in on Mori? Well, Mori and Lennon's passing stats were so bad that it pulled the whole average down. You can really pinpoint it down to those two, but Lennon wasn't massively involved in the game at all, I think Mori has over 3 times as many arrows. Plus I think Lennon can be excused for the fact that almost alll of his passes were directed at the heavily guarded Lukaku. So when you can pinpoint a problem like that, you got something to work with in my opinion. I still don't get your point? He mislaid a few passes but was heavily heavily involved in the game from start to finish A game where we were penned in by a good footballing side in spurs. They were neat in and around the box and there wasn't much room for anything other than getting rid to relieve the pressure at times. Romey 1878 and MikeO 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC11 Posted January 3, 2016 Report Share Posted January 3, 2016 Well if you wanna talk about rock solid defensive work, I think Tottenham's centre backs were pretty much impeccable. Nothing came through, apart from the lennon goal, which i think is excusable, Lukaku was sucessfully tamed and everything. Now let's take a look at their combined passing map (4 = Alderweireld, 5 = Vertonghen, the blue arrow is Alderweireld's assist for the Spurs goal) Now that's a pretty green map right there. So what's Mori's claim to the MOTM trophy exactly? I see a lot of sideways passing in there mostly in the middle of the park. Take a look at Mori's.... Yep mostly defensive passes deep in his own half. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finn balor Posted January 3, 2016 Report Share Posted January 3, 2016 I still don't get your point? He mislaid a few passes but was heavily heavily involved in the game from start to finish A game where we were penned in by a good footballing side in spurs. They were neat in and around the box and there wasn't much room for anything other than getting rid to relieve the pressure at times. I rate Mori highly but he his head went for a while. He misplaced a five yard pass by a mile at one point. I'm not making him the scape goat at all. Nobody was showing for the ball which made him reconsider his options against a well organised side . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finn balor Posted January 3, 2016 Report Share Posted January 3, 2016 I see a lot of sideways passing in there mostly in the middle of the park. Take a look at Mori's.... Yep mostly defensive passes deep in his own half.[/quote. Don't mean to be rude but what the fuck with the arrow thing? Looks like a Robin Hood drive by , nobody cares !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC11 Posted January 3, 2016 Report Share Posted January 3, 2016 I rate Mori highly but he his head went for a while. He misplaced a five yard pass by a mile at one point. I'm not making him the scape goat at all. Nobody was showing for the ball which made him reconsider his options against a well organised side . It's a game of opinion I suppose.... Looking at other forums he seems to be noticed by a lot of other fans too. Lots of mentions for him in MOTM threads across the board. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mirallas Posted January 3, 2016 Report Share Posted January 3, 2016 I still don't get your point? He mislaid a few passes but was heavily heavily involved in the game from start to finish A game where we were penned in by a good footballing side in spurs. They were neat in and around the box and there wasn't much room for anything other than getting rid to relieve the pressure at times. How does passing the ball to Spurs relieve pressure? Compare this to Baines whose passing was really good, he went up field and was the instigator of Everton's first goal. Only one point of criticism there regarding Baines and Mori: Baines running up field caused some defensive gaps on the left back, where Mori filled in for Baines when Spurs made use of that. It was on the left back position of the pitch that Mori performed worst of all. But in Mori's defense: he's not a left back, that's Baines' job. Baines is still my MOTM because his constant runs forward had a direct positive result for the team. Regarding Mori: a few arguments that basically say "yeah but he was not that bad because so and so" is not a good reason for motm i'm afraid, at most it's an alibi. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC11 Posted January 3, 2016 Report Share Posted January 3, 2016 I see a lot of sideways passing in there mostly in the middle of the park. Take a look at Mori's.... Yep mostly defensive passes deep in his own half.[/quote. Don't mean to be rude but what the fuck with the arrow thing? Looks like a Robin Hood drive by , nobody cares !!! You're not being rude mate as I'm not posting them. Don't mean to be rude but you should get some specs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted January 3, 2016 Author Report Share Posted January 3, 2016 You will remove these restraints and leave this cell with the door open. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC11 Posted January 3, 2016 Report Share Posted January 3, 2016 How does passing the ball to Spurs relieve pressure? Compare this to Baines whose passing was really good, he went up field and was the instigator of Everton's first goal. Only one point of criticism there regarding Baines and Mori: Baines running up field caused some defensive gaps on the left back, where Mori filled in for Baines when Spurs made use of that. It was on the left back position of the pitch that Mori performed worst of all. But in Mori's defense: he's not a left back, that's Baines' job. Baines is still my MOTM because his constant runs forward had a direct positive result for the team. Regarding Mori: a few arguments that basically say "yeah but he was not that bad because so and so" is not a good reason for motm i'm afraid, at most it's an alibi. You're like a dog with a bone here. Not sure why I'm responding.... But on what basis do you think you can tell me who I can and can't vote for. For example I thought Baines was very ordinary. I'm not throwing it down your neck though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mirallas Posted January 3, 2016 Report Share Posted January 3, 2016 I thought Baines was very ordinary. I'm not throwing it down your neck though. Be my guest, i welcome it. It's a discussion forum isn't it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finn balor Posted January 3, 2016 Report Share Posted January 3, 2016 I don't think Baines has a chance of going to the euros on this form Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mirallas Posted January 3, 2016 Report Share Posted January 3, 2016 I don't think Baines has a chance of going to the euros on this form, He's been injured, give him a bit of time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted January 3, 2016 Report Share Posted January 3, 2016 Besic. Energised the team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnh Posted January 3, 2016 Report Share Posted January 3, 2016 My MOM was Barry. Controlled everything particularly in the second-half. Thought Besic was excellent when he came on. I was always taught that football is a simple game. Don't see the point (no pun intended) of all the arrows. As someone else pointed out, it doesn't explain the context in which the pass was made. It may have been the right pass but there may have been a better option, or it might have been the wrong pass. The diagram doesn't tell us that. MikeO 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC11 Posted January 3, 2016 Report Share Posted January 3, 2016 Can I just say Lukaku has really come on leaps and bounds! EVERYTHING sticks to him now! It's like watching a completely different player. He looks so much fitter and bothered! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted January 3, 2016 Report Share Posted January 3, 2016 Can I just say Lukaku has really come on leaps and bounds! EVERYTHING sticks to him now! It's like watching a completely different player. He looks so much fitter and bothered!300% better in his all round game. Wish he jumped for gerrys cross though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC11 Posted January 3, 2016 Report Share Posted January 3, 2016 (edited) I watched it and he was shite! https://mobile.twitter.com/EvertonNewsFeed/status/683755114495094784/photo/1 http://websta.me/n/funesmoriofi Shite he was! OFFICIAL MOTM I know what it is Dunc, you don't like him because he's a threat to Jagielka Edited January 3, 2016 by MC11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted January 3, 2016 Author Report Share Posted January 3, 2016 https://mobile.twitter.com/EvertonNewsFeed/status/683755114495094784/photo/1 http://websta.me/n/funesmoriofi Shite he was! OFFICIAL MOTM I know what it is Dunc, you don't like him because he's a threat to Jagielka How can he be MOTM when his arrows are the wrong colour :shaking fist:. Mirallas, Romey 1878 and Matt 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanmckenzieismagic Posted January 3, 2016 Report Share Posted January 3, 2016 https://mobile.twitter.com/EvertonNewsFeed/status/683755114495094784/photo/1 http://websta.me/n/funesmoriofi Shite he was! OFFICIAL MOTM I know what it is Dunc, you don't like him because he's a threat to Jagielka Fuck all to do with Jags, the lad was poor IMO and the match sponsor giving him MOTM doesn't change anything Did you read any of the comments below in reaction to it ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC11 Posted January 3, 2016 Report Share Posted January 3, 2016 Fair enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mirallas Posted January 3, 2016 Report Share Posted January 3, 2016 https://mobile.twitter.com/EvertonNewsFeed/status/683755114495094784/photo/1 http://websta.me/n/funesmoriofi Shite he was! OFFICIAL MOTM I know what it is Dunc, you don't like him because he's a threat to Jagielka Some meaningless amateurs gave him an award. You really won this one, mate. Whoever gave him that award had shit in their eyes and shouldn't quit the day job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted January 3, 2016 Author Report Share Posted January 3, 2016 Some meaningless amateurs gave him an award. You really won this one, mate. Whoever gave him that award had shit in their eyes and shouldn't quit the day job. Happens on here after every game (unless you put yourself above the rest of us) . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC11 Posted January 3, 2016 Report Share Posted January 3, 2016 Some meaningless amateurs gave him an award. You really won this one, mate. Whoever gave him that award had shit in their eyes and shouldn't quit the day job. Hahaha nothing like a good old picture mate. Maybe you should change your name to Ray Charles Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mirallas Posted January 4, 2016 Report Share Posted January 4, 2016 Happens on here after every game (unless you put yourself above the rest of us) . Correction, I am well above the rest of us. It's an honour that I chose TT as my chosen Everton forum. I should have administrative priviledges on this forum or any other forum I visit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted January 4, 2016 Report Share Posted January 4, 2016 Much better defensively, as in we actually did some defending. I thought it was one of Mori's worst games for us. Besic is great when we don't have the ball, when we do hes a liability. He lost the ball, ran 40 yards to win it back with some great determination, then lost it again. He needs to realise what he can and cant do with the ball at his feet, when he does he could be a very good player. Needs to watch Barry. Switching off with a minute left in the half again, not happy with that bit. Was a really enjoyable game, shame we couldn't grab a winner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornish Steve Posted January 5, 2016 Report Share Posted January 5, 2016 Ten players received votes this week for MOTM. Must be a record. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rubecula Posted January 5, 2016 Report Share Posted January 5, 2016 I like this thread better than I liked the match to be honest, MikeO (Officer Dribble) has made a fair point, but overall I think Mirallas (The Flaps that terrorise in the night) is right about Mori. He did well but IMO not as well as he could have done. I bear in mind he is still relatively new to the side. (Can't wait for Jags to get back) My MOTM was Barry for the work he put in. OK he was booked and the tv people always tell us he is the most booked player in the premiership, but how many people have played so many games? Anyway that is my two penny worth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete0 Posted January 5, 2016 Report Share Posted January 5, 2016 Ten players received votes this week for MOTM. Must be a record.It highlights the form of the three who never for me. Kone has done a Naismith since his hatrick, no longer in the team on merit. Howard... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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