MikeO Posted June 21, 2017 Report Share Posted June 21, 2017 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-trending-40356113 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palfy Posted June 21, 2017 Report Share Posted June 21, 2017 100% the Royals are 're-mainers, and the queen was in her way giving May a kicking to add another nail in her coffin. Good on ya Maj. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornish Steve Posted June 22, 2017 Report Share Posted June 22, 2017 I'm not a big lover of the royals, although I make an exception for the queen herself. This morning, I spotted the following news item: The younger royals may not want the responsibilities (I don't blame them) but they would certainly still want all the money, estates, and privileges. http://www.cnn.com/2017/06/22/europe/prince-harry-interview/index.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holystove Posted June 23, 2017 Report Share Posted June 23, 2017 Today, exactly one year since the momentous victory for Leave. It was suggested by some in the campaign (not just Farage) that June 23rd should from now on be known as UK Independence Day. Are there any events or celebrations? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted June 23, 2017 Report Share Posted June 23, 2017 Today, exactly one year since the momentous victory for Leave. It was suggested by some in the campaign (not just Farage) that June 23rd should from now on be known as UK Independence Day. Are there any events or celebrations? Got no support fortunately. https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/123324 For very good reason. http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/its-offensive-to-call-brexit-an-independence-day-the-eu-wasnt-a-colonial-power-enslaving-your-nation-a7104286.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holystove Posted June 23, 2017 Report Share Posted June 23, 2017 I don't get it though. 17 million people voted for this thing while their government and most politicians and experts advised against it. So surely they must have a deep personal conviction that brexit is a good idea. On the one year anniversary, there aren't any rallies to support team UK at the start of the exit-negotiations? No big speeches in front of huge crowds by visionary pro-brexit politicians? I'm genuinely confused by this. Especially when compared to other referenda such as the ones in Quebec, where even though the exiteers lost, these referenda were preceded and followed by years of popular mass mobilisation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted June 23, 2017 Report Share Posted June 23, 2017 I don't get it though. 17 million people voted for this thing while their government and most politicians and experts advised against it. So surely they must have a deep personal conviction that brexit is a good idea. On the one year anniversary, there aren't any rallies to support team UK at the start of the exit-negotiations? No big speeches in front of huge crowds by visionary pro-brexit politicians? I'm genuinely confused by this. Especially when compared to other referenda such as the ones in Quebec, where even though the exiteers lost, these referenda were preceded and followed by years of popular mass mobilisation. No deep personal conviction for most, just tabloid fueled short term gratification. No big speeches because the majority of the politicians who "espoused" it did so for personal gain/popularity and never expected to have to follow through because they knew they were going to lose. Now they've won they're lost. holystove 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palfy Posted June 25, 2017 Report Share Posted June 25, 2017 All the big players in the leave campaign are keeping very quiet of late, and some are actually bending in there views of what sort of Brexit we should be looking for, except for Farage who is still spouting his hate campaign. Gove hardly a murmur knows he called it wrong now hiding hoping we forget he was involved. Boris Johnson now urging for us to stay in the single market to save jobs even though he knows we will have to have open borders, which he vehemently fought against is now trying to repair the damage he caused with his lies. The German bitch from the Labour party not so mouthy now it's going pear shape, now in hiding. There all shiting them selves because of the reprisals that will becoming their way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holystove Posted June 26, 2017 Report Share Posted June 26, 2017 All the big players in the leave campaign are keeping very quiet of late, and some are actually bending in there views of what sort of Brexit we should be looking for, except for Farage who is still spouting his hate campaign. Gove hardly a murmur knows he called it wrong now hiding hoping we forget he was involved. Boris Johnson now urging for us to stay in the single market to save jobs even though he knows we will have to have open borders, which he vehemently fought against is now trying to repair the damage he caused with his lies. The German bitch from the Labour party not so mouthy now it's going pear shape, now in hiding. There all shiting them selves because of the reprisals that will becoming their way. Tough times for Boris, Nigel and Gove. Doesn't mean brexit itself is in danger though. Hard brexiteers like Corbyn and McDonnell are still hugely popular. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rubecula Posted June 28, 2017 Report Share Posted June 28, 2017 How ,many of you have changed your minds since the vote to leave? (I haven't by the way) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnh Posted June 28, 2017 Report Share Posted June 28, 2017 Nor me. rubecula 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted June 28, 2017 Report Share Posted June 28, 2017 How ,many of you have changed your minds since the vote to leave? (I haven't by the way) Not changed my mind either, serious 'moaner me . rubecula 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornish Steve Posted June 28, 2017 Report Share Posted June 28, 2017 How ,many of you have changed your minds since the vote to leave? (I haven't by the way) Given how it's played out, I would change my mind - but, of course, I was ineligible to vote. The key dilemma remains, though: How to remain in, and strengthen, a common market without succumbing to the move toward a United States of Europe. rubecula 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palfy Posted June 28, 2017 Report Share Posted June 28, 2017 I was a re-mainer, and now I'm more than ever convinced that I made the right choice. Matt, MikeO and rubecula 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holystove Posted June 29, 2017 Report Share Posted June 29, 2017 Given how it's played out, I would change my mind - but, of course, I was ineligible to vote. The key dilemma remains, though: How to remain in, and strengthen, a common market without succumbing to the move toward a United States of Europe. This is key. Brexit needs to be done competently. I used to think David Davis was up to the job. But quotes keep popping up of him saying stuff like this: - "Post Brexit a UK-German deal would include free access for their cars and industrial goods, in exchange for a deal on everything else". You could give him the benefit of the doubt and pretend the EU is run by Germany; so he said UK-German deal while in reality he meant UK-EU. But then Davis said this: - "Similar deals would be reached with other key EU nations". On the EU, Davis is truely Trumpesque. As to your second point: the UK was doing quite well strengthening the common market. The UK has been very good, ever since Thatcher to make the rest of the EU adopt a UK style approach to trade. At the same time, the UK had an opt-out on pretty much anything that would make the EU move towards more political unity, and when it didn't have an opt-out, it just blocked all further integration with its veto. It was a very negative member in that sense. When it turned out Cameron got even more concessions, I couldn't wait for brexit. With the UK in the EU, the EU was doomed to stand still (and therefor fail). I read a quote by some commentator who got it spot on, imo. "Risk: the UK arrives at the conclusion it wants to stay in the EU after the EU27 has long convinced itself it'll be better off without". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holystove Posted July 4, 2017 Report Share Posted July 4, 2017 How ,many of you have changed your minds since the vote to leave? (I haven't by the way) This is a good one.. the man behind the 350m for NHS on the side of a bus says voting leave may have been an error .. https://politicalscrapbook.net/2017/07/vote-leave-campaign-director-says-voting-leave-may-have-been-an-error/#more-65540 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnh Posted July 4, 2017 Report Share Posted July 4, 2017 This is a good one.. the man behind the 350m for NHS on the side of a bus says voting leave may have been an error .. https://politicalscrapbook.net/2017/07/vote-leave-campaign-director-says-voting-leave-may-have-been-an-error/#more-65540 A recent poll showed that 'leave' is now at 60%, so I guess we have to adjust the figures by -1. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted July 4, 2017 Report Share Posted July 4, 2017 A recent poll showed that 'leave' is now at 60%, so I guess we have to adjust the figures by -1. Funny, the polls I see is the complete opposite. Depends what you want to see I guess Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted July 4, 2017 Report Share Posted July 4, 2017 A recent poll showed that 'leave' is now at 60%, so I guess we have to adjust the figures by -1. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/majority-british-voters-brexit-wrong-decision-yougov-poll-finds-a7704566.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnh Posted July 4, 2017 Report Share Posted July 4, 2017 Both Tory and Labour are in favour of leave and got 80% of the vote in the General Election. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted July 4, 2017 Report Share Posted July 4, 2017 Both Tory and Labour are in favour of leave and got 80% of the vote in the General Election. That's not even close to being true, both parties were split in opinion! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted July 4, 2017 Report Share Posted July 4, 2017 Both Tory and Labour are in favour of leave and got 80% of the vote in the General Election. The Prime Minister wanted to stay in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holystove Posted July 5, 2017 Report Share Posted July 5, 2017 A recent poll showed that 'leave' is now at 60%, so I guess we have to adjust the figures by -1. The results of polls on complex issues that are boiled down to yes or no, are just as meaningless today as the one they held on the 23rd of June 2016, though. As the director of vote.leave said, these types of referenda are a very dumb idea. I just thought it extremely cynical of him to first claim a couple of months ago that leave probably wouldn't have won without the 350m NHS bus, and now to say he's not even sure leaving is a particularly good idea. A majority of MP's were in favour of Remain when the referendum was held. I don't know if that is still true today but one thing is for sure, not one party is united on this issue. (FT) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holystove Posted July 6, 2017 Report Share Posted July 6, 2017 Risitas talks brexit . MikeO 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted July 6, 2017 Report Share Posted July 6, 2017 http://www.bbc.com/news/business-40520218 EU agrees free trade with Japan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Louis Posted July 6, 2017 Report Share Posted July 6, 2017 (FT) There was a response to this printed press. Someone said that the insults were the wrong way around because wankers only look to themselves and fuckers require somebody else to be involved in the partnership. Matt, rubecula and MikeO 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holystove Posted July 6, 2017 Report Share Posted July 6, 2017 There was a response to this printed press. Someone said that the insults were the wrong way around because wankers only look to themselves and fuckers require somebody else to be involved in the partnership. You're right MikeO 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete0 Posted July 7, 2017 Report Share Posted July 7, 2017 '... Andrew McGill reports in The Atlantic that the recent Brexit vote was strongly correlated with education. Districts with a high percentage of college graduates tended to vote to remain in the European Union, while those with a small percentage tended to vote to leave. In the long run, therefore, there is reason for optimism. As society slowly becomes more educated from generation to generation, the general publics attitudes toward globalization should move toward the experts.' https://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/07/31/upshot/why-voters-dont-buy-it-when-economists-say-global-trade-is-good.html?smid=pl-share&referer= You old uneducated gits! (tongue firmly in cheek.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnh Posted July 7, 2017 Report Share Posted July 7, 2017 http://www.bbc.com/news/business-40520218 EU agrees free trade with Japan. Even though this appears to be posted in the wrong thread, I will comment. It should all be sorted by 2027 then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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