Lowensda Posted March 1, 2016 Author Report Share Posted March 1, 2016 (edited) If the Clarence dock site could be looked at, the St.Louis (NFL) stadium proposal, looks like something we could adopt. It's similar to the Kings Dock proposal, but with less of a bowl shape. It has more of a modern Nou Camp feel to it. I like that it has one very high pitched side/end, could easily become the new GS. Or like Newcastle, stick the away fans far away. Edited March 1, 2016 by Lowensda Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rubecula Posted March 2, 2016 Report Share Posted March 2, 2016 If the Clarence dock site could be looked at, the St.Louis (NFL) stadium proposal, looks like something we could adopt. It's similar to the Kings Dock proposal, but with less of a bowl shape. It has more of a modern Nou Camp feel to it. I like that it has one very high pitched side/end, could easily become the new GS. Or like Newcastle, stick the away fans far away. That looks very impressive. although I can not see it happening, I do like it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowensda Posted March 15, 2016 Author Report Share Posted March 15, 2016 Take a look at @ToffeeTV1's Tweet: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanmckenzieismagic Posted March 15, 2016 Report Share Posted March 15, 2016 Take a look at @ToffeeTV1's Tweet: https://twitter.com/ToffeeTV1/status/709826161837211648?s=09 This one? https://twitter.com/toffeetv1/status/709826161837211648 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowensda Posted March 16, 2016 Author Report Share Posted March 16, 2016 Sorry Dunc, am I missing something? Has this been discussed already (been away)? This was an image from an Architect's website apparently, it generated a lot of buzz and has subsequently been taken down. Some people with incredibly deft detective skills, also noticed the below in the recent Kone contract signing.... Apparently it's a mock up of the ground above, which I think looks pretty cool. It reminds me of the Stade Pierre-Mauroy I went to, to watch our boys play Lille. Both my old man and I agreed, that something of that kind, would be ideal for Everton. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted March 16, 2016 Report Share Posted March 16, 2016 That does look pretty smart, I'm all for redeveloping GP, but something like that could convince me otherwise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oztoffee Posted March 17, 2016 Report Share Posted March 17, 2016 Is this the time to talk about rail access again? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted March 17, 2016 Report Share Posted March 17, 2016 Is this the time to talk about rail access again? If we built in on the docks we could have a great argument about ferry access. Lowensda and Matt 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted March 17, 2016 Report Share Posted March 17, 2016 I'd love a city centre stadium - absolutely love it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aidan Posted March 17, 2016 Report Share Posted March 17, 2016 If we built in on the docks we could have a great argument about ferry access. Imagine the damp. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oztoffee Posted March 18, 2016 Report Share Posted March 18, 2016 I'd love a city centre stadium - absolutely love it. As far as access goes it would be a massive plus for rail but parking would be a killer! What parts of the city are ripe for improvement these days? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oztoffee Posted March 18, 2016 Report Share Posted March 18, 2016 Because of my location, I'm not up to speed on what the situation is now, but I went to the derby game 3 years ago (another draw!)and got the free bus from Sandhills station. It was an easy way to do it but getting back out was a f'n nightmare....just a couple of buses doing the run and there were hundreds of fans waiting. Anyway, I digress. At Bank Hall I saw hundreds of acres of wasteland and disused factories and wharves....doing nothing! Surely the land can be turned into something useful like a stadium. Good rail links, good road access not far away on Scottie Rd.and Stanley Rd., heaps of parking space....etc.A good idea? Was the Kings Dock thing a good option access-wise and why is it not happening? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Makis Posted March 18, 2016 Report Share Posted March 18, 2016 There was some talk about Sandhills some years ago as part of a regeneration scheme but there's been nothing since. AFAIK, Peel controls the docks areas and is not interested in any stadiums. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul Posted March 18, 2016 Report Share Posted March 18, 2016 They need to open that Canada train line that runs by the ground. We're so far behind the likes of London with transport. It will also encourage more businesses to the area making it more viable for Everton to go for concepts like the Goodison Hotel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowensda Posted March 18, 2016 Author Report Share Posted March 18, 2016 (edited) It should have been edge lane years ago. Still possible isn't it? Was the Kings Dock thing a good option access-wise and why is it not happening? Because they built this.... Edited March 18, 2016 by Lowensda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted March 18, 2016 Report Share Posted March 18, 2016 Still possible isn't it? Because they built this.... Pfft. Billionaire owner! Knock it down and build the stadium! Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowensda Posted March 18, 2016 Author Report Share Posted March 18, 2016 Pfft. Billionaire owner! Knock it down and build the stadium! I actually had the exact same thought as I was posting them! aha. Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EFC-Paul Posted March 18, 2016 Report Share Posted March 18, 2016 I've never seen an aerial view of the Echo before it looks like a giant shoe insole! Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted March 19, 2016 Report Share Posted March 19, 2016 Are they going to tear down the Royal Hospital once the new one is fixed? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted March 20, 2016 Report Share Posted March 20, 2016 I believe so Matt, yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted March 21, 2016 Report Share Posted March 21, 2016 I believe so Matt, yes.quite a footprint of land there, isn't it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted March 23, 2016 Report Share Posted March 23, 2016 No, the land is being used for further hospital development I think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted April 13, 2016 Report Share Posted April 13, 2016 (edited) http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/liverpool-set-bid-host-2026-11176825 is 2026 too long to wait for a big stadium ala Man City? Personally I think it is... unless what we do is have a stadium built that we can use asap which can convert to a track etc for when the games are on... split the cost or whatever... we may even be able to have it close to a train station ......................................................................... Edited April 13, 2016 by Hafnia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowensda Posted April 13, 2016 Author Report Share Posted April 13, 2016 (edited) Far far too long, 2020 should be a realistic target. But having a stadium that could house such an event, certainly wouldn't do the bid any harm. Edited April 13, 2016 by Lowensda Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted April 13, 2016 Report Share Posted April 13, 2016 Far far too long, 2020 should be a realistic target. But having a stadium that could house such an event, certainly wouldn't do the bid any harm. would they go for a stadium that had been 6 years in use for a commonwealth games if they had to front a fair chunk of cash for it? It may affect the bid... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted April 13, 2016 Report Share Posted April 13, 2016 Perfect opportunity with this, can be a complete win win. Rebuild the Park End to the 47,000 capacity Elstone said was achievable as soon as possible. Its not idea long term but for the best part of ten years it doesn't have to be amazing. It would only have to be big enough to cover the additional seating and some additional corporate seating or boxes. Then move into a Commonwealth stadium in 2027 after the required adaptations have been made. We would then have a better capacity, more unobstructed seating, and a better corporate profile to move into the new stadium a decade down the line. Matt and markjazzbassist 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted April 13, 2016 Report Share Posted April 13, 2016 http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/liverpool-set-bid-host-2026-11176825 is 2026 too long to wait for a big stadium ala Man City? Personally I think it is... unless what we do is have a stadium built that we can use asap which can convert to a track etc for when the games are on... split the cost or whatever... we may even be able to have it close to a train station ......................................................................... Absolutely. And what happens if the bid is rejected? We lose a year or 2 hoping and set ourselves back! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted April 13, 2016 Report Share Posted April 13, 2016 Perfect opportunity with this, can be a complete win win. Rebuild the Park End to the 47,000 capacity Elstone said was achievable as soon as possible. Its not idea long term but for the best part of ten years it doesn't have to be amazing. It would only have to be big enough to cover the additional seating and some additional corporate seating or boxes. Then move into a Commonwealth stadium in 2027 after the required adaptations have been made. We would then have a better capacity, more unobstructed seating, and a better corporate profile to move into the new stadium a decade down the line. a logical approach - we would need to have the bid in the bag first though. Surely Edmonton can't get it again, they had it in 78. Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shukes Posted April 13, 2016 Report Share Posted April 13, 2016 Wouldn't like a stadium with a track. Atmosphere would be rubbish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted April 13, 2016 Report Share Posted April 13, 2016 The track would be removed. Look at the Etihad. Lowensda 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted April 13, 2016 Report Share Posted April 13, 2016 The track would be removed. Look at the Etihad. And the Olympic stadium the West Ham are moving into. Although I think I'm right in saying that the track is staying, just being covered by retractable seating so it can still be used for athletics at times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted April 13, 2016 Report Share Posted April 13, 2016 Is that what West Ham are doing? wow! That must be expensive Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted April 13, 2016 Report Share Posted April 13, 2016 Wouldn't like a stadium with a track. Atmosphere would be rubbish. Imagine a stadium with a track and Moyes/Martinez team?.... blimey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted April 13, 2016 Report Share Posted April 13, 2016 And the Olympic stadium the West Ham are moving into. Although I think I'm right in saying that the track is staying, just being covered by retractable seating so it can still be used for athletics at times. Is that what West Ham are doing? wow! That must be expensive West Ham wanted to get rid of the track but it was part of the deal that it had to stay as part of the Olympic Legacy bullcrap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted April 13, 2016 Report Share Posted April 13, 2016 Is that what West Ham are doing? wow! That must be expensive Pretty sure that's what I read. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted April 13, 2016 Report Share Posted April 13, 2016 I just thought they had to deal with it, I knew it had to stay fit for athletics, but fair play to them because I'm sure they've got the government to pay for the adaptations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluehuddo Posted May 8, 2016 Report Share Posted May 8, 2016 I am in liverpool for a few weeks. 3rd time in 30 years. I went for a walk on the cycle track from Knotty Ash to Walton Hall Park. Just past Norris Green I saw a great looking modern stadium unfortunately it was Anfield and to the right you could just make out the main stand of Goodison and it looked like a shed. I love Goodison Park but from that distance it looked so old and dated compared to the shites place. I think that the most important thing for our club is to update Goodison or move to a new Stadium. Living in Australia I have such a romantic vision of our stadium but today i realised how far behind a lot of clubs we are.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanmckenzieismagic Posted May 16, 2016 Report Share Posted May 16, 2016 Everton FC's Walton Hall Park stadium plans abandoned http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/everton-fcs-walton-hall-park-11335603#ICID=ios_EchoNewsApp_AppShare_Click_Other Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msloan78 Posted May 16, 2016 Report Share Posted May 16, 2016 Hoping they're doing it away from the public eye but there doesn't seem to be a massive amount of brownfield land for sale. http://www.uklanddirectory.org.uk/building-land-plot-sales-merseyside.asp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowensda Posted May 16, 2016 Author Report Share Posted May 16, 2016 Surprise surprise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted May 16, 2016 Report Share Posted May 16, 2016 It was never, ever going to happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newty82 Posted May 16, 2016 Report Share Posted May 16, 2016 Kind of glad because I'm not a fan of building on parks, playing fields or general open green areas. There is so much land taken up by Shitty old buildings that every new development should be forced to use that before using any nice green areas. Just a personal opinion of course. chicagoblue 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnh Posted May 16, 2016 Report Share Posted May 16, 2016 Mayor says Everton will have a new stadium within 3 years. I suppose all that is required is a site and the money. chicagoblue 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted May 16, 2016 Report Share Posted May 16, 2016 Loads of wasted space around the city. Just needs some imagination. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddock Posted May 16, 2016 Report Share Posted May 16, 2016 3 years to find a spot, design it get planning permission and build it? Ambitious if you ask me, evenwith the funds inplace. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted May 16, 2016 Report Share Posted May 16, 2016 Moshiri needs to clean up bills messes now. Get the stadium built or Goodison upgraded, get some more moshiri men on the board, and get in a top manager. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddock Posted May 16, 2016 Report Share Posted May 16, 2016 Goodison isn't really an option to be upgraded imo. We need a new ground Lowensda 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted May 16, 2016 Report Share Posted May 16, 2016 (edited) Goodison isn't really an option to be upgraded imo. We need a new ground it was posted by SteveO while you were away but it could be done. rebuild the park end stand and create corporate boxes there to create 47000 capacity. that would keep it going for another decade and then could be looking for another place to build in the meantime. Edited May 16, 2016 by markjazzbassist Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EFC-Paul Posted May 16, 2016 Report Share Posted May 16, 2016 (edited) Trouble is your always going to be limited with Goodison in terms of expenditure adding surrounding faculties to draw in revenue etc plus it would likely cost more or won't be far off Doing it as a temporary solution is just wasting time and money IMO Edited May 16, 2016 by EFC-Paul Lowensda 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shukes Posted May 16, 2016 Report Share Posted May 16, 2016 Sounds like Moshiri has come in and reined on wasted time. Probably moved further forward more in three months than we have in three years. Going to be an interesting next twelve months. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddock Posted May 16, 2016 Report Share Posted May 16, 2016 it was posted by SteveO while you were away but it could be done. rebuild the park end stand and create corporate boxes there to create 47000 capacity. that would keep it going for another decade and then could be looking for another place to build in the meantime. I've doubt it can be done but the other 3 stands are falling apart mate, the obstructed views are terrible, it's just run it's course, the Old Ladybis outdated and like a millstone round our neck. I love her dearly and it'll be a wrench to leave but if we're going to move forward it has to be done. Stadiums land locked by houses on 3 sides. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanmckenzieismagic Posted May 16, 2016 Report Share Posted May 16, 2016 http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/everton-new-stadium-within-three-7982841 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted May 16, 2016 Report Share Posted May 16, 2016 If a two tier Park End was rebuilt 15 yards closer to the park it would be possible to have a bigger Gwladys street stand in the future due to the extra space. It would have no effect on the main stand really as it goes past the pitch anyway. Gwladys street could be rebuilt in the same style as the new two tier park end. The current profile of the stand is quite a big footprint that with the extra 15 yards at the front of the stand it could be done. Then take a look at buying houses off Bullens road. If it needed to be hurried along then rebuild just the lower tier in the same style as the new ends with a view to build the top tier in the future, with the additional seating at either end it shouldn't be too much of a drop. If they really wanted to be forward thinking , buying up all of the houses off Bullens road and give some to the school in exchange for their car park so there is room for the stands. The garage on the corner of Bullens road, I'm sure they could be tempted for a rebuild on part of any new land, building garages can be very cheap now days. Goodison road is the only real issue long term. But in the same way it can be done at the ends, if we were doing a phased redevelopment then push the ends 10 yards towards the Bullens to give a bit more room for the main stand. If the other three stands were redeveloped sensibly then you could remove the top balcony and develop the main stand as a single tier stand. All offices and player facilities could be in the park end where there is the most space, leaving any other stands just needing fan space. Most of that is just from conversations with people who work in construction, not stadium experts. But Elstone himself said that rebuilding the park end could get us to 47,000, for me that is a major jump and should be looked at as more than just a throw away option. I'm sure we could build a new stadium for £300m, but what could even £100m or £200m worth of improvements to Goodison park do? Let's really think outside the box here. The biggest problem is Goodison Road. So with the idea of moving the offices and player facilities to the park end. How about buying out the buildings facing the stand, build units into a redeveloped stand and rent them to the current tenants of Goodison road? Improved facilities for them, improved stadium for us, nicer for the community and the club. I'd rather throw money into GP than somewhere else. As proud as we are of our heritage and our history is love to see us invest in the history once more instead of leaving it behind. Previous owners have left the stadium to rot without a forward plan. Matt, Johnsy and markjazzbassist 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted May 16, 2016 Report Share Posted May 16, 2016 great post steve! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanmckenzieismagic Posted May 16, 2016 Report Share Posted May 16, 2016 Everton could revive waterfront stadium dream http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/everton-could-revive-waterfront-stadium-11341680#ICID=ios_EchoNewsApp_AppShare_Click_Other Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rubecula Posted May 16, 2016 Report Share Posted May 16, 2016 Do you think this will happen Dunc after all 3 years is not a long time is it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted May 16, 2016 Report Share Posted May 16, 2016 Unless Anderson is talking through his arse (quite possible), for him to be saying three years it would suggest that something is quite far along in the planning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanmckenzieismagic Posted May 16, 2016 Report Share Posted May 16, 2016 http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/now-must-moment-strike-find-11341825 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddock Posted May 16, 2016 Report Share Posted May 16, 2016 If a two tier Park End was rebuilt 15 yards closer to the park it would be possible to have a bigger Gwladys street stand in the future due to the extra space. It would have no effect on the main stand really as it goes past the pitch anyway. Gwladys street could be rebuilt in the same style as the new two tier park end. The current profile of the stand is quite a big footprint that with the extra 15 yards at the front of the stand it could be done. Then take a look at buying houses off Bullens road. If it needed to be hurried along then rebuild just the lower tier in the same style as the new ends with a view to build the top tier in the future, with the additional seating at either end it shouldn't be too much of a drop. If they really wanted to be forward thinking , buying up all of the houses off Bullens road and give some to the school in exchange for their car park so there is room for the stands. The garage on the corner of Bullens road, I'm sure they could be tempted for a rebuild on part of any new land, building garages can be very cheap now days. Goodison road is the only real issue long term. But in the same way it can be done at the ends, if we were doing a phased redevelopment then push the ends 10 yards towards the Bullens to give a bit more room for the main stand. If the other three stands were redeveloped sensibly then you could remove the top balcony and develop the main stand as a single tier stand. All offices and player facilities could be in the park end where there is the most space, leaving any other stands just needing fan space. Most of that is just from conversations with people who work in construction, not stadium experts. But Elstone himself said that rebuilding the park end could get us to 47,000, for me that is a major jump and should be looked at as more than just a throw away option. I'm sure we could build a new stadium for £300m, but what could even £100m or £200m worth of improvements to Goodison park do? Let's really think outside the box here. The biggest problem is Goodison Road. So with the idea of moving the offices and player facilities to the park end. How about buying out the buildings facing the stand, build units into a redeveloped stand and rent them to the current tenants of Goodison road? Improved facilities for them, improved stadium for us, nicer for the community and the club. I'd rather throw money into GP than somewhere else. As proud as we are of our heritage and our history is love to see us invest in the history once more instead of leaving it behind. Previous owners have left the stadium to rot without a forward plan. The accessability to the ground is dreadful Steve which is another big factor. The whole area is residential it's just not the right place for a modern state of the art stadium. All 4 stands would need rebuilding to get them facilities and boxes to suit needs (well second teir on Park End, roads have to be closed off to residents of a match day there's no parking it's just past it's sell by date. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanmckenzieismagic Posted May 16, 2016 Report Share Posted May 16, 2016 Do you think this will happen Dunc after all 3 years is not a long time is it? No idea to be honest , but for Joe Anderson to say we will be in the new ground within 3 years makes me think that there is a bit more to this than meets the eye Has WHP fallen through or have we just shifted target because Moshiri wants something better? Matt and rubecula 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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