StevO Posted August 8, 2023 Report Share Posted August 8, 2023 4 hours ago, RPG said: It would seem Trump is capable of multi tasking. He has his legal team working on replacing the judge and moving the trial out of DC - on the not unreasonable grounds that both the judge and the location are a bar to a fair trial. So, that will be the first of many delays I guess. https://www.nst.com.my/world/world/2023/08/939682/trump-seek-new-judge-election-conspiracy-trial Delay and distract. That’s his whole plan. Not to actually prove his innocence, they don’t have a plan for that I guess. Try and move it to a place where he may find a jury of people who like him. He is accused of committing crimes in DC, why would the trial be anywhere else? If you’re innocent you should be able to prove it regardless of location. He’s clearly worried about the consequences of his actions now, that makes me happy. MikeO, Sibdane and Matt 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornish Steve Posted August 8, 2023 Author Report Share Posted August 8, 2023 1 hour ago, RPG said: I can't speak for the jury as they haven't even being selected yet but if you look at the judge I can see grounds for objection, based on her track record. The judge was appointed by Obama, is rather 'left wing' in her views and has a 100% record in sentencing more severely than sentencing guidelines recommend for 'offences' which have already gone to trial over the Capitol building riots. In many ways, the location is academic. The defence or the prosecution are probably going to object to every single juror based on their political leanings. FWIW, I think it is a mistake for the prosecution to try to run the trial in DC with the current judge as it just provides fertile grounds for an appeal if there is a conviction. If the prosecution is so sure of their case, then they should offer to move the location and change the judge. I think that not doing so smacks of a lack of fairness and indicates that the prosecutor is not that confident in his case. Judges are judges. Should the US now start selecting judges based on the politics of the accused? I really hope this judge keeps him in check. He was warned not to share details publicly of the trial, and he's already doing just that and threatening everyone involved. Indeed, he has a track record of intimidating witnesses. A couple of days in a cell might actually sober him up. That's what would happen if it were anyone else, so why special treatment? Here in Atlanta, once the indictment is made, I suspect the process will be quite no-nonsense. Watch for the mug shot. Matt, StevO and Sibdane 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sibdane Posted August 8, 2023 Report Share Posted August 8, 2023 3 hours ago, RPG said: We will have to see how it plays out but I do think the prosecution is already offering Trump grounds for appeal if he is convicted. Surely it would be better, from a prosecution pov, to nip that in the bud now by changing the judge and trial location. He will appeal if he loses no matter the circumstances. Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sibdane Posted August 8, 2023 Report Share Posted August 8, 2023 2 minutes ago, RPG said: I am sure he will but the point I am making is that any appeal will be stronger if he can show that political leanings of the judge (as evidenced by her previous harsher than recommended sentencing on others involved in the Capitol riots) affected both the outcome of the trial and the sentence. Similarly, the location of the trial may also be cited as being impartial. If the prosecution remove those arguments from him, have they not disarmed him in advance? I don't think it should be moved. As far as a harsher-than-recommended sentencing for the Capital riots goes, who is to say how harsh they are relative to other sentencings when something like that hadn't happened before, at least in modern US history? Either way, you're using one scenario to justify why it should be moved in order to give your guy a better shot at not being convicted -- normal. If the US justice systems works, then the judge will be impartial and the jury will make a decision based on the facts and information presented. I don't plan to respond anymore though. I'm over talking about Trump, and he'll get his day (again and again) in court. He's a stain on democracy, and anyone who defends him and the damage he's done to my country isn't worth the time. StevO, Matt, MikeO and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted August 8, 2023 Report Share Posted August 8, 2023 36 minutes ago, RPG said: Trump might be many things but 'my guy' he is not. I am just trying to steer a fair and middle course here rather than coming out on the side of most who post here who seem to think that there is no need for a trial (especially a fair one) and that we should proceed directly to the lynching. Textbook strawman, not a single person/post has suggested he shouldn't get his day in court. Sibdane, Matt and Palfy 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted August 8, 2023 Report Share Posted August 8, 2023 5 hours ago, Sibdane said: He will appeal if he loses no matter the circumstances. Or do what he did last time he didn’t like the result; cause a riot in the capital building. Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted August 8, 2023 Report Share Posted August 8, 2023 4 hours ago, MikeO said: Textbook strawman, not a single person/post has suggested he shouldn't get his day in court. Exactly this. I want to see his evidence, purely because I don’t believe an ounce of it will carry any credibility, and then one by one see his supporters in the GOP turn on him. I believe by the end of this many more of his supporters will turn on him. I want to see him fail in court, like he did at all of his election appeals. Any judge in the case should be impartial, it’s the judges that Trump put in place who have been so impartial in recent times. So much so that they shouldn’t be allowed anywhere near this as there would be a clear conflict of interest. Which would only leave judges that don’t support him. Anyway, fuck it, let’s get straight to the lynching! MikeO, Matt and Palfy 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted August 9, 2023 Report Share Posted August 9, 2023 6 hours ago, RPG said: Keep the strawman insults coming. Mike. What insults? Just pointing out an obvious truth. If you want to prove otherwise insert evidence here. Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted August 9, 2023 Report Share Posted August 9, 2023 7 minutes ago, RPG said: Strawman is hardly a compliment and the comment was obviously directed at me. Of course it was because you were the perrson that I was replying to. As I said, post your evidence for anyone saying anything other than he should have his day in court, if you can't then it remains your own fantasy (or you're instigating your own petty conspiracy theory). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted August 9, 2023 Report Share Posted August 9, 2023 5 minutes ago, RPG said: If you agree that Trump should have his day(s) in court then you also agree that he is innocent unless or until proven guilty don’t you?? Of course (no personal attacks whatsoever so unsure how you're coming to that conclusion, just reflecting back your own posts and misinformation). He'll have his time in court, absolutely nobody arguing against that as you suggest they are. Baffled frankly. Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KinL Posted August 9, 2023 Report Share Posted August 9, 2023 1 hour ago, MikeO said: Of course it was because you were the perrson that I was replying to. StevO, MikeO and Matt 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palfy Posted August 9, 2023 Report Share Posted August 9, 2023 1 hour ago, RPG said: Yes, I can see you are baffled. But thank you for, I think, agreeing that Trump is innocent unless or until proven guilty. Now, in the interests of justice, a fair trial, a better chance of avoiding any appeal and saving $ millions of USA tax $, the trial really should be moved out of DC and the judge recused. Where to Virginia where Trump wants it to go because he polled 70% of the vote there, so he can again try and use the far right to fight his lies. It was in D.C. where most of the charges against him were committed, so it should only be right that he faces is trial there. He will get a fair trial the eyes of the world will be watching so the American judiciary system will make sure it’s a fair trial, America will not let the people down no matter what the cost and how long it takes justice will be done. It would appear that only the far right and the fake news coming from the Trump camp believe he won’t get a fair trial in D.C. Trumps camp spend more time in the public eye trying to defend him of the charges against him, so no matter where he goes people will have already formed some opinions, because him and his team are constantly trying to use the media to find him not guilty of all charges, he’s organising his own trial using the media so no matter where he goes everyone would have heard the same thing he’s going no where in the USA that has been immune to what’s happening. So don’t worry Rusty he will get a fair trial as everyone here wants him to have, and don’t concern yourself with how much it will cost it won’t be coming out your pocket, that’s an issue for America and it’s tax payers to worry about not ours, but I’m sure our American friends on here will appreciate your concerns for them. StevO 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted August 9, 2023 Report Share Posted August 9, 2023 2 minutes ago, RPG said: I wouldn’t like to suggest where the trial should be held but common sense would suggest a meeting between Defence and Prosecution to try to resolve the issues of both location and recusing the judge. Recusing the judge should be fairly straightforward, agreeing a replacement maybe less so. I think it shouldn’t be too difficult to find a trial location though where political leanings are about 50/50 - in the interests of justice. Will it be in the interests of justice when it inevitably goes to the supreme court, which is loaded with Trump appointed conservatives? Sibdane and StevO 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KinL Posted August 9, 2023 Report Share Posted August 9, 2023 Sorry, Mike, I couldn't resist. Now I need to put this thread on ignore, I hate anything to do with politics. MikeO, StevO and Matt 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted August 9, 2023 Report Share Posted August 9, 2023 13 hours ago, RPG said: For someone who is ‘staying out of this thread’ you are sure cropping up a lot Steve. That’s 5 posts from you in just a few days since you declared you were not going to comment any further. It’s addictive though, like watching a car crash. Just can’t look away. Considering you aren’t on Trumps side you still continue to defend him. Considering you’re adamant that you just want justice, you only want the trial to happen under favourable circumstances. Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted August 9, 2023 Report Share Posted August 9, 2023 10 hours ago, RPG said: And you, maybe unintentionally, show the proof of how impossible it is to give Trump a fair trial. Your own words show your thoughts about political influence (either way) on the process of justice. So, either way, Trump cannot expect a fair trial. If there is 100% credible and impartial evidence that Trump broke the law in a big way, then a closed doors meeting in a smoke filled room would probably have led to a better outcome for USA. But even that could have led to similar calls to investigate and impeach Biden for his dodgy dealings. There will be no real winners now on either side. Trump is not my guy! Impeach Biden! If I was American I’d be offended by some of this, but I’m not, so I just find this amusing. Also, if there was any evidence that Biden had done wrong they would have strung him up in record time. Unfortunately for your right wingers, there is no evidence. Trump doesn’t want a fair trial, so I don’t see why you keep peddling that he won’t get one. He doesn’t want one. He wants a media circus, he created it to begin with, he doesn’t want his day in court, he wants his day in front of the camera. He wants to talk about too much of the trial being done out in the open, while he’s the one going out and talking about it. If you can’t see his antics and what he’s tried to do then maybe spend more time with your optician. He’s hiding in plain sight. MikeO, Matt and Sibdane 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted August 10, 2023 Report Share Posted August 10, 2023 This is getting locked for a bit Palfy and Sibdane 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted August 15, 2023 Report Share Posted August 15, 2023 Charged in Georgia. Don't see how he has any defence in this one, bang to rights on tape from his own mouth trying to get the election result rigged. But it's a witch-hunt . Palfy, StevO and Sibdane 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted August 15, 2023 Report Share Posted August 15, 2023 Truly the .actions of an innocent man! 'The Trump Team’s strategy, according to people close to him, will be to push for a delay in this case, then win the election in 2024 and hope that the Republican Governor of Georgia will pardon him" more about these links. StevO 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted August 17, 2023 Report Share Posted August 17, 2023 Has he gone to jail yet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted August 17, 2023 Report Share Posted August 17, 2023 2 hours ago, StevO said: Has he gone to jail yet? Getting close... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted August 17, 2023 Report Share Posted August 17, 2023 2 hours ago, MikeO said: Getting close... Our mate Rusty will think this is all grounds to move the trial and swap the judge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornish Steve Posted August 20, 2023 Author Report Share Posted August 20, 2023 On 15/08/2023 at 11:43, MikeO said: Truly the .actions of an innocent man! 'The Trump Team’s strategy, according to people close to him, will be to push for a delay in this case, then win the election in 2024 and hope that the Republican Governor of Georgia will pardon him" more about these links. Here in Georgia, not even the governor has the power to pardon someone. Only the parole board has that authority. Matt, MikeO and StevO 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted August 24, 2023 Report Share Posted August 24, 2023 https://x.com/messedupfoods/status/1694817012801781765?s=46&t=yZXCMwiLrh88x9fKYHnsfQ Mark, it doesn’t work like you say it does!! Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted August 24, 2023 Report Share Posted August 24, 2023 2 hours ago, StevO said: https://x.com/messedupfoods/status/1694817012801781765?s=46&t=yZXCMwiLrh88x9fKYHnsfQ Mark, it doesn’t work like you say it does!! It doesn’t work for you, works fine for me. I won’t edit it for you like I’ve done for others either . Matt and StevO 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted August 25, 2023 Report Share Posted August 25, 2023 7 hours ago, Romey 1878 said: It doesn’t work for you, works fine for me. I won’t edit it for you like I’ve done for others either . Fuck you, Mark! You getting all right wing in here because I posted something mocking Trump?! Romey 1878 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted August 25, 2023 Report Share Posted August 25, 2023 His mugshot looks like he's tried to do a Sinatra but inevitably looks like a tango'd bulldog licking piss off a nettle Sibdane, Palfy, MikeO and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted August 25, 2023 Report Share Posted August 25, 2023 1 hour ago, StevO said: Fuck you, Mark! You getting all right wing in here because I posted something mocking Trump?! I just can't be bothered going round wiping your arse tbh, mate . StevO 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palfy Posted August 26, 2023 Report Share Posted August 26, 2023 22 hours ago, Matt said: His mugshot looks like he's tried to do a Sinatra but inevitably looks like a tango'd bulldog licking piss off a nettle Why would you downvote that Rusty it was a bit of satire a humorous comment. Stop taking everything someone writes about Trump so personally or seriously anyone would think he was your father, now there’s a point worth debating Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted August 26, 2023 Report Share Posted August 26, 2023 49 minutes ago, Palfy said: Why would you downvote that Rusty it was a bit of satire a humorous comment. Stop taking everything someone writes about Trump so personally or seriously anyone would think he was your father, now there’s a point worth debating I'm sure Matt will PROUDLY TAKE IT. They're not going after Matt, they're going after YOU, Matt's just STANDING IN THEIR WAY! Romey 1878, StevO and Matt 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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