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World class players might be hard to convince without European footy.

Easier with a big wage though, its how Chelsea and City got themselves where they are

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Easier with a big wage though, its how Chelsea and City got themselves where they are

 

And they're full of nob heads.

 

Rather we go for the right people (by paying the big money up front), those wanting to be part of a project and not the mercenaries of the world.

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And they're full of nob heads.

 

Rather we go for the right people (by paying the big money up front), those wanting to be part of a project and not the mercenaries of the world.

True, but is this guy good enough to send us further? Not in my opinion.

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True, but is this guy good enough to send us further? Not in my opinion.

 

Also true. I do think he is underrated though but too similar to Mirallas. Can be out of the game for 88 minutes and then pop up with a goal, MOTD then have a montage of his best bits (the replay on repeat) before Shearer spunks on about the finish and what a player he is...the following week destroys him for being shite.

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Matt,

 

at any point has Moshiri said he will be personally throwing big money into our transfer funds?

 

He has got us into a better financial position, and is keen to progress the new stadium and get a manager sorted but I don't see that we'll have anything much more than anyone else to spend which is largely coming from increased TV deals. Any other extra money on top will be from the sale of Stones or Lukaku.

 

I might be wrong but I don't see us suddenly bringing in several huge transfers ala Chelsea/Citeh.

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Matt,

 

at any point has Moshiri said he will be personally throwing big money into our transfer funds?

 

He has got us into a better financial position, and is keen to progress the new stadium and get a manager sorted but I don't see that we'll have anything much more than anyone else to spend which is largely coming from increased TV deals. Any other extra money on top will be from the sale of Stones or Lukaku.

 

I might be wrong but I don't see us suddenly bringing in several huge transfers ala Chelsea/Citeh.

There's been multiple indications (though I grant you, nothing I can find directly quoting Morishi), saying £100m + sales. Whether that comes from the TV money or his own pocket initially I honestly don't care, but I'm convinced we will spend big on 2-3 players, especially after how he's gotten Koeman.

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Easier with a big wage though, its how Chelsea and City got themselves where they are

This would mean paying players more than they are worth as others would be willing to pay what they really are worth (some even more than that). And this is not insignificant. Let's say a worldie wants £100,000 per week, but since we don't have European footy we would have to pay that much more to convince him to come play for money alone. How much extra would that be? 20,000? That would be an extra million pounds per year. And I'm not sure 20% is enough, but nevertheless, those millions stack up quickly.

 

Then there's the FFP consideration.

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This would mean paying players more than they are worth as others would be willing to pay what they really are worth (some even more than that). And this is not insignificant. Let's say a worldie wants £100,000 per week, but since we don't have European footy we would have to pay that much more to convince him to come play for money alone. How much extra would that be? 20,000? That would be an extra million pounds per year. And I'm not sure 20% is enough, but nevertheless, those millions stack up quickly.

 

Then there's the FFP consideration.

We're going to be doing this anyway, with wages and transfer fees.

 

I understand, and usually would be saying exactly the same thing as you're doing, like I have in the past. FFP, I think because of the new TV money it means we're sorted. Then, if we get the stadium moving quickly, we'll have even more income from stadium naming rights and all the other benefits it would entail.

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FFP is hardly even there anymore, they buckled under pressure from PSG.

 

£100m should be available to spend even without Moshiri's money. Other clubs spent some of it last year with loans taken out, like we normally do, but we didn't last year. So it should all be there. Just have to take into account the extra wages everyone will want now.

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We're going to be doing this anyway, with wages and transfer fees.

 

I understand, and usually would be saying exactly the same thing as you're doing, like I have in the past. FFP, I think because of the new TV money it means we're sorted. Then, if we get the stadium moving quickly, we'll have even more income from stadium naming rights and all the other benefits it would entail.

You forget everyone else in the PL is also sorted with six (irc) teams offering Euro football.

 

And FFP means the wage bill can only be increased by 7 million per year. The only way to go above that as far as I know are player sales. So yes, we could sell Lukaku, but then we couldn't use all the money on transfer fees.

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FFP is hardly even there anymore, they buckled under pressure from PSG.

 

£100m should be available to spend even without Moshiri's money. Other clubs spent some of it last year with loans taken out, like we normally do, but we didn't last year. So it should all be there. Just have to take into account the extra wages everyone will want now.

Not even close to 100 million without Moshiri money. More like 30-40 million.

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You forget everyone else in the PL is also sorted with six (irc) teams offering Euro football.

 

And FFP means the wage bill can only be increased by 7 million per year. The only way to go above that as far as I know are player sales. So yes, we could sell Lukaku, but then we couldn't use all the money on transfer fees.

Not forgetting, just taking it all into account. Europe is a massive enticement, wages can be bigger is all I'm saying.

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I'd take Perisic before him personally.

And why would he come here? No shortage of takers if he decided to leave. He's first choice at Inter so unless we paid him silly money why would he move?

 

Thing is, we are not going to sign a team of world class players. That 100 million includes wages so if Koeman signs two 30 million pound players at 100.000 pounds per week, that's 70 million used up already. How many players do you reckon we need? Many think seven which would mean an average cost of about 10-12 million (60.000 pounds per week means 3 million on wages per year and I think that's where the wages for players of that caliber will ask at a minimum).

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exactly my feelings too,he scores is strong he will do me.

Yep, he's got that nasty determined streak in him, he's big and strong and as you say he scores goals.

 

In a heartbeat for me, I really like him.

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I'm not saying I'd pick Arnautovic as my first choice, mind. But I understand not every player we sign this summer will be a 20+ million player. I'm pretty sure there will be one or two players specifically signed to fit Koeman's tactics.

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And why would he come here? No shortage of takers if he decided to leave. He's first choice at Inter so unless we paid him silly money why would he move?

 

Thing is, we are not going to sign a team of world class players. That 100 million includes wages so if Koeman signs two 30 million pound players at 100.000 pounds per week, that's 70 million used up already. How many players do you reckon we need? Many think seven which would mean an average cost of about 10-12 million (60.000 pounds per week means 3 million on wages per year and I think that's where the wages for players of that caliber will ask at a minimum).

He's the sort of playing we should be looking at though. He would want to come to the premier league and if we were so good at selling the clubs plans and ambition to Koeman than it should be the same for attracting players. If after that he doesn't buy into it, then wish him all the best for the future and we will find someone else who will buy into it!

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And sorry I missed a few question on your post mate, I don't think we need 7 top class players.

Off the top of my head,

GK

RB cover

DCM ( McCarthy out ) funds for funds player

ACM

Winger

Back up CF

 

RB could be a loan signing, maybe trippier from Spurs or someone like that I'm not sure. I don't know our exact budget/wage structure but I do see your point on how quickly the money goes. I would just rather see us take 2 summer windows were we add quality than one full of quantity as the players who left, didn't contribute a lot whilst our youth really deserve to be given ago and fill their vacated roles. ( Dowell, Davies, Pennington, Galloway and so forth )

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I like Arnautovic but i wouldnt have him in my team over Mirallas.

 

I don't think we need 7 new players either. think that's a little excessive (unless they are replacements for players that leave), especially with no European Football.

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I like Arnautovic but i wouldnt have him in my team over Mirallas.

 

I don't think we need 7 new players either. think that's a little excessive (unless they are replacements for players that leave), especially with no European Football.

Goal keeper, center back, right back, 2 strikers (If Lukaku goes, 1 if he stays), winger, creative center midfielder

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Goal keeper, center back, right back, 2 strikers (If Lukaku goes, 1 if he stays), winger, creative center midfielder

That is indeed what we need, but we can't do it all in 1 transfer window.

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That is indeed what we need, but we can't do it all in 1 transfer window.

Center Back - not so worried if Stones stays I think our defense will be allot better with a manager who knows how to defend and appreciates them, + talented youngsters.

Right Back - Yes its a must.

Striker - Yes its a must

Creative Midfielder - We have been linked with a few so I think that will happen.

Goal Keeper - Yes its a must

Winger - Maybe.

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No thanks. Showed what he was all about for Austria v Hungary. Petulant, play-acting, couple of fancy flicks but largely ineffective against determined opponents.

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Center Back - not so worried if Stones stays I think our defense will be allot better with a manager who knows how to defend and appreciates them, + talented youngsters.

Right Back - Yes its a must.

Striker - Yes its a must

Creative Midfielder - We have been linked with a few so I think that will happen.

Goal Keeper - Yes its a must

Winger - Maybe.

The 3 in bold are the "must haves" and could easily cost £100m between them.

 

Just writing that last bit... Insane. I hate what football has become.

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The 3 in bold are the "must haves" and could easily cost £100m between them.

 

Just writing that last bit... Insane. I hate what football has become.

I'd be happy with spending the majority of money on those positions and filling the rest of the depth with "filler" players who come for free, on loan or are cheap because of one reason or another (length of contract, age, etc). Basically I'm eluding to bringing in players which people will hate, just ones that will do the job and aren't fancy. Most people don't realise that you can't spend 30 million on every position and sometimes have to wheel some deals the Moyes way.

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The 3 in bold are the "must haves" and could easily cost £100m between them.

 

Just writing that last bit... Insane. I hate what football has become.

I know the money is crazy and wrong - but this is the world we live in.

 

We can shop in the Champions League store now and we could spend that money on 3 players, and to be honest that's the spine of the team which is so important. With some of the youngsters we have I hope we spend the money where we need to and give the youngsters and players a chance where we can.

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Marko Arnautovic should be immediately in front of a shift from Stoke City to Everton . According to " crown " the 27 - year-old has already signed a four-year contract on Tuesday the transfer is to be officially confirmed . Made possible the transfer a release clause of around 15 million euros in the Treaty of Arnautovic . The Viennese could be a replacement for striker Romelu Lukaku , who is about to finish.

 

The traditional club of Liverpool ended last season in eleventh place , two places behind Stoke . But Everton wants sporty improve in the coming season and is ready for it to dig deep into their pockets . Besides Arnautovic also the Belgian Axel Witsel from Zenit St. Persburg to come for rumored € 30 million to the " Toffees " .

 

This from sky sports austria

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Would be a good squad player but not an improvement on what we've got already in my opinion. Mirallas is a better player in my opinion - he's just been poorly managed for a couple of years.

 

As said though - £12.5m is a steal with some of the ridiculous prices flying around.

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Strong, quick, talented, works hard, can belt if with either foot and head it too and seems to care about what he's doing. For £12.5m would be a steal. How much did we pay for Niasse again? Sign this guy up quickly Ronnie before someone else does.

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My Stoke mate's opinion...

 

"Looks like it's a distinct possibility. He is in the last year of his contract so 12.5million is about right I guess. He was asking for a 100k a week to sign an extension which we'd never pay...and with us signing this Egyptian lad I think he may well be leaving. A fantastic player on his day...scores goals, creates chances and is strong as an ox....when he can't be arsed tho he's a nightmare, throwing arms in the air etc. I think he splits the stoke fans... love him on a good day but he can be frustrating. Capable of getting better too if the manager can handle him. One of those players who can get arses up from the seats! We'll miss his goals for sure."

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My Stoke mate's opinion...

 

"Looks like it's a distinct possibility. He is in the last year of his contract so 12.5million is about right I guess. He was asking for a 100k a week to sign an extension which we'd never pay...and with us signing this Egyptian lad I think he may well be leaving. A fantastic player on his day...scores goals, creates chances and is strong as an ox....when he can't be arsed tho he's a nightmare, throwing arms in the air etc. I think he splits the stoke fans... love him on a good day but he can be frustrating. Capable of getting better too if the manager can handle him. One of those players who can get arses up from the seats! We'll miss his goals for sure."

Sounds a bit like Mirallas, on his day can beat anyone and shows the flair that we all crave but other days look like he can't kick a ball. All depends how is head is on the day.

 

If this deal does go through I just hope this doesn't mean that Lennon will now be benched most games. He showed the desire last season and looked decent on the wings giving defenders a problem most days.

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If this deal does go through I just hope this doesn't mean that Lennon will now be benched most games. He showed the desire last season and looked decent on the wings giving defenders a problem most days.

 

 

I hope very much that it would mean exactly that. Lennon's a nice, handy player that works hard but we need better than him in all honesty.

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