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Can't blame him for either after today's game.

He's either on a wind up or seriously drunk!

If we finish 7th that's a shite season for me.

Normally I stick to lurking (I use to post back in '07), but if this game doesn't change how Martinez looks at some of his players, then I hold him solely accountable moving forward.
 
Leon Osman should never see the pitch unless he's a 2nd half sub against the bottom half or lesser opponents in the cups. Everyone will focus on the 1st goal (and rightly so), but Ossie consistently commits the same cardinal sins all game and has since last year (not to mention every fan can see he only lasts 45-60 minutes tops).
Box: box he positions himself in front of the attacker when defending but he simply doesn't know how to put in a good challenge. This lets attackers pick out some quality passes/crosses, and a few of the missed opportunities today were because he doesn't pressure. As a knock on effect, because of how Ossie positions himself Distin and Baines relax because they think an attacker is covered if they make a run. Unfortunately that's 100% not the case with Ossie. His marking has and always will be poor, which has gotten worse since he's lost pace. Last, he offers nothing as a outlet when we regain possession in our box because he doesn't have the pace or positioning to ever break. This forces defenders to make bad clearances because he doesn't make himself available as a good option to push forward.  
What compounded and spotlighted Osman's ineffectiveness were the tactics behind 2 substitutions: Atsu and McGeady. I actually do think both are quality players, but Bobby has to have the situational awareness to say as a final instruction you have to track back. I don't think it's fair to have a go at either of them because we don't know if tactically Martinez instructed that, but regardless of the culprit it was a bad decision. The last 20 minutes was filled with 3v2s against Coleman/McCarthy and 3v1.5's against Baines and Osman (I'm willing to give a .5 because Ossie can create the illusion someone's marked if the passer is under pressure).
 
Last, while I'm not willing to overreact and throw the towel in on the Jagielka/Distin partnership, their willingness to accept taking wild clearances/swings at the ball (at a much higher rate than last year) is a sign of either fatigue, being off the pace, or old habits coming back. I counted 4+ giveaways by Jags in the first 30 minutes alone and Distin wasn't much better.
 
I'll stop my venting there, but how Martinez responds going forward will tell me a lot about how much I should trust him.

Welcome mate! I had pretty similar reasons to you, especially the one about not wanting to jump on one of the cash cow clubs. Also for me it was Tim Cahill rather than Howard, as I'm Aussie.
 
I'm also with you on the term soccer Football is an umbrella term in my mind and covers Rugby, Australian Rules, Gaelic, Gridiron etc.

Welcome mate! I had pretty similar reasons to you, especially the one about not wanting to jump on one of the cash cow clubs. Also for me it was Tim Cahill rather than Howard, as I'm Aussie.
 
I'm also with you on the term soccer Football is an umbrella term in my mind and covers Rugby, Australian Rules, Gaelic, Gridiron etc.

What an outrage!
 

Lets just all get our Everton dicks out and let the measuring commence eh? Someone referred to my earlier post being a "I go the game so therefore my voice is louder" - not at all, haven't been this season but been to many games in many pointless seasons.... My point? Fuck all. I love Everton and watching the game means I don't love them more or less.
 
However, how the Fuck can a video stream/sky watchin fan criticise the volumes of fans, many of which are season ticket holders? If you are that arsed get there.
 
In that whole game I did not applaud one thing, horrible, just horrible, seems like I needed to really applaud Everton to be considered a real fan. Bollocks...

Was it the usual atmosphere of a last home game of the season, against a top team with a chance (albeit slim) of champions league football though? Far from it by the looks of it.
 
If the title had been wrapped up the week before i think it would have been very different.

Back to agreeing with you again!
 
However you have painted a picture that you have a hard time in the office? Possibly the victim of wind ups because you react so intensely?
 
I can just imagine the redshite side of the office....
 
'Bit borin today aint it?'
 
'Yeah laa'
 
'Ere, ders Haf...'
 
'You thinkin wharam thinkin?'
 
'Yeah laa'
 
'Let's go give it to im propeeer, love his reaction...'

This is why we are sitting in the shadows, ambition.
For as long as we keep trying to stop Liverpool we never realise our own potential.
 
We are Everton football club and not Liverpool secondary team. For us not to go for a win would disgust me. Fuck politics I love football and all o ever want is to see my team win.
 
It's sad to read this thread and realise so many fans are stuck in a big red shadow.

That Ric Wee is coming back over from Malaysia for this one. Hopefully he has better luck this time!

i fucking hate being an evertonian sometimes. why have we consigned oursekves to losing him. we class our club as a stepping stone ourselves. second rate mentality, second rate club.... and yous moan at us being negative under moyes. everton is a good club for RM and i imagine he woukd want to acheive something at everton before he moves anywhere else otherwise he has a pointless cv.

Made it all the more hilarious. Moyes tries to play passing football on his return to GP, Martinez out-Moyeses him.
 
Fucking brilliant.

Not sure about the criticism of Howard, the Puncheon and Jerome's finishes were clinical and perfectly placed, they took paint off the posts as the went in. The header, well what is he supposed to do in that situation?
 
Some very frustrating things surfaced from todays game:
 
- Martinez still seems to struggle to have an answer for teams packing the box.
Palace did this exact thing at Selhurst Park, except this time they picked up goals as well. I'm not having a go at Martinez, it's just become pretty blatant to me at the moment that with our squad he hasn't found the best way to combat a team sitting back. We look boss countering teams, but when we build up from the back and pressure teams we're toothless in the final third.
 
- We may as well just give our corner kicks to the opposition to take as goal kicks. We are so, so, so bad at getting a decent head on the ball to challenge the keeper. The last time I can recall us scoring directly from a corner (Naismith's deflected effort recently doesn't count) was Lukaku's header at Gladys Street end against Liverpool. That was like 6 months ago now.
 
I don't think the race for fourth is over. I have no doubt Arsenal will drop points in their last four games, so it's up to the blues to get as many points as they can to keep the pressure on Arsenal. They can start by bending Moyes over and embarrassing him at a hostile Goodison Park on Sunday.

We needed Jags tonight... far too much standing off in defence.
 
Really poor atmosphere until 0-1, then 1-2 and 2-3.
 
Roberto was bold in his selection - he knew they'd sit back but it resulted in us only playing down the flanks with only Rom in the box, we needed Naismith with him from the start and we desperately need more strikers (which we all know).
 
Hats off to Palace... I think we've just been Pullised!!! On Pullis, I would put him in the top 3 with Rodgers and Martinez for manager of the season - he's worked a miracle at Palace.

Lets be fair here...every manager gets it wrong. Infact, there aint a single person in existence that doesnt get things wrong. Its human nature.
 
Except Jennifer Aniston.

Of course, some of the United fans now believe they can sneak fifth or even fourth place, so it will be important to whack them hard this weekend. A five goal margin should do it.

Imagine if you had of told them they'd be singing that back in January when they were topping the league. Oh how the mighty have fallen.

I think this thread just goes to prove how fickle some Everton fans are
It took him time to settle at Everton yet people want to write him off after half a season at United
 
I think he would easily slot into our side as a DM and could be used behind the striker when we need a plan B, something we don't seem to have at the moment
 
Having said that I think it would cost too much to bring him back, but at the right price it's a no brainier

London press guy:- "Blimey those dossers at goodison are doing well aren't they?"
 
Bored Manchester hack:- "oh yeah for some reason they have apart from stealing some unwanteds on loan they have Coleman, Barkley, and this new kid called Stones, don't know if he's any good but a few pundits like him"
 
London press guy "Arsenal and Chelsea need a good centre half, and clearly we are richer down here than you tramps up there, the problem with you northerners, is you wanna be southerners.... I'm running with this"
 
Bored manchester hack "can you at least say that Luke Shaw is off to united?"

moral of the story is go out for lunch instead!

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BREAKING: James McCarthy has entered the London Marathon tomorrow as a 'warm-down'.

Well that's Man U out, 4th spot definitely gets CL next year

Not sure there's anyone really that can go that would save us any money right now. Hibbert may decide he doesn't fancy watching from the side lines anymore and that he wants to either retire or move on to another club before he retires but his transfer fee would be minimal and his wages I imaigne aren't huge. Actually just checked and Hibbo's contract runs out this summer so he'll likely be off or if he's not interested in playing elsewhere might get a year contract accepting that he's backup and highly unlikely to play.
 
The only other players that I'd happily see leave the current squad are also all minimal pay/transfer players. Gueye and Vellios probably the only 2. I don't think either are good enough and Martinez clearly goes with this theory as despite having a bit of first team experience neither has got near the side before going out on loan. Actually Vellios will leave us this season as his contract runs out.
 
The only player who actually plays that I'd consider moving on is PIenaar. He's still performing very well for us at times but is losing his pace now and getting more injuries. We probably wouldn't get a big fee for him though so he maybe better value to keep him rather than let him go.
 
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Hard to know if any players are ready to make the side from the youth team. Martinez made comments about adding Browning and Garbutt to the subs bench as they'd performed so well on loans however he always has a good spin on things and in truth it was as much about as having no other options! It would be good to see Garbutt come through as a good backup option to Baines.
 
Browning I don't really know much about and only just now looking him up I see he is a right back. Great news as I assume he can take over as backup to Coleman from Hibbert but he's only played 2 games for Wigan and I'm sure could do with a bit more loan time before he is ready to step up.
 
Of the other youth players there's not a lot currently in the squad that have gained a lot of loan experience. John Lundstram has looked very good for England youth and has had some decent loans but he'd be battling for a position in our strongest area (midfield). Hallam Hope has started well on his loans with some goals but he's only played a few games and that's in league 2, I'd say he needs to play in the Championship before i'd consider weather he has what it takes.
 
Matthew Kennedy seems a talent who could find himself in the squad during next season and of course George Green though still very young seems to be the main touted next big thing of the academy. both in midfield so will struggle to get much action.
 
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I'm sure we will look to get a couple of loans. Deulefu would be good if we can secure him for another season, I fancy we will even with Barca's transfer embargo. The difficulty is always finding players who will enhance the team. A decent backup striker would be good but if Kone is fit then game time would be limited (assuming we buy a striker). I'm sure it's something that will be looked at though.
 
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I agree that Martinez has rotated our pretty small squad well. Gibson will be an important player to get back next season as at the moment we would find it hard to cope the way we play without either one of McCarthy or Barry. Osman has covered but can't really be relyed on. Even without injuries those 2 both pick up plenty of bookings and along with extra games for europe there is a big burden on them.
 
Attacking midfield wise we have good options at the moment and Martinez has been able to rotate well. Defensively there isn't a lot, though Oviedo was showing great promise as an extra left back when Baines was injured. An extra option at right back is needed. On centre backs were not too bad if Alcaraz gets fit and useful. I expect Stones to gradually take over from Distin next season with Jagielka leaving us with Distin and Alcaraz as very good back up.
 
All in all were not that far off but certainly a few extras are needed and injuries to areas with little backup would be very costly.