MC11 Posted August 28, 2015 Report Share Posted August 28, 2015 He's well on his way to 20 in all comps. Think he'll get 20 in the league myself. We're not too far off a really really strong team IMO. I just don't rate our central midfielders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddock Posted August 28, 2015 Report Share Posted August 28, 2015 It's not an easy one to talk about because it tends to fire off on all angles. Last season was a balls up. Or hopefully it proves to be so...a one off rather than the norm...for the whole team! Forget his touch, strength or whatever. One thing you should not be able to question Lukaku about is his finishing. And unfortunately, last season his finishing was way below his standard. It's great he got 20 goals in all competitions (48 appearances). Not a bad ratio really. If I was to be critical I'd say 5 came in 2 games against Young Boys, leaving 15 in 46. So it goes from 1 in 2ish to 1 in 3. He just needed more 'oomph', more confidence, like the rest. But anyway, who cares? That was last season. So far this season, it's 4 in 4. He's started off showing some real good signs. As a fan, I'd challenge him to be more of a driving force, more nasty with his team mates, and to keep his chin up, as there is no doubt to me that against Barnsley his head went down when we were 2 down. You can say he got 5 in 2 etc but I wonder how many regular high scoring strikers have little streaks of a hat trick , 1 the next and 2 the next then blank for z bit so if you take away 3 games it's 6 goals and their stats alter dramatically. I bet you could do that for most strikers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shukes Posted August 28, 2015 Report Share Posted August 28, 2015 I'm not playing anything up, the whole season was not good webnough but 20 goals in a shit season is decent Shukes, if we have a flyer this season he'll piss 20 league goals if we click and he gets the service just watch. Lots of hard work ahead of him but it's thsre. Actually excited for him this season. I think the beast will awaken. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddock Posted August 28, 2015 Report Share Posted August 28, 2015 He's well on his way to 20 in all comps. Think he'll get 20 in the league myself. We're not too far off a really really strong team IMO. I just don't rate our central midfielders. Have you been on the splangers there chief, that's what I said you plant pot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newty82 Posted August 28, 2015 Report Share Posted August 28, 2015 You can say he got 5 in 2 etc but I wonder how many regular high scoring strikers have little streaks of a hat trick , 1 the next and 2 the next then blank for z bit so if you take away 3 games it's 6 goals and their stats alter dramatically. I bet you could do that for most strikers. Oh yeh definately. I think it's an interesting angle you put on it before 'he got that in a shit season, what will he fo in a good one?'. We all just hope this one us better than last for many reasons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanmckenzieismagic Posted August 29, 2015 Report Share Posted August 29, 2015 The thing is Pad a lot of people have been playing his season up......they haven't been playing everyone else's up. If they did...I would be saying the same thing. I don't think he was the biggest disappointment last year either, Mirralas took that crown for me. And to be fair I argued against him too. I just find it hard to celebrate that our top class striker managed to score two outfield goals since January. For me that's just not good enough. I don't think anybody has been playing his season up, its been more of a case of defending him from undue criticism Romey 1878 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted August 29, 2015 Report Share Posted August 29, 2015 (edited) I think there has been a lot of premature "look at him against Southampton, he's needed a rest, he needed service and he's great etc etc" It's a load of shite, the only thing he needs is to get his head out his arse and approach "every" game with the intensity he showed against Southampton. I've said this time and time again. He throws in an impressive performance and downs tools for a few games as if to say "yep, showed them". It's happened so many times now and it's not good. We seen this with fellaini, one week outstanding then a few games of nothing. We can't carry that type of player. The only thing that will get the best out of Rom is another striker that renders him less essential. At the moment he has no fear for his place and it shows. It took origi to get picked in the world cup to get a performance from him. If we see the Southampton Rom today we will win, if we see the Barnsley Rom then we will struggle. So yes a player ike him is frustrating. Edited August 29, 2015 by Hafnia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanmckenzieismagic Posted August 29, 2015 Report Share Posted August 29, 2015 I think there has been a lot of premature "look at him against Southampton, he's needed a rest, he needed service and he's great etc etc" It's a load of shite, the only thing he needs is to get his head out his arse and approach "every" game with the intensity he showed against Southampton. I've said this time and time again. He throws in an impressive performance and downs tools for a few games as if to say "yep, showed them". It's happened so many times now and it's not good. We seen this with fellaini, one week outstanding then a few games of nothing. We can't carry that type of player. The only thing that will get the best out of Rom is another striker that renders him less essential. At the moment he has no fear for his place and it shows. It took origi to get picked in the world cup to get a performance from him. If we see the Southampton Rom today we will win, if we see the Barnsley Rom then we will struggle. So yes a player ike him is frustrating. Yeah we will be right in the shit if Rom scores a brace today Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted August 29, 2015 Report Share Posted August 29, 2015 Yeah we will be right in the shit if Rom scores a brace today you know what he means, first half Rom! But, that'll be true of the whole squad, right Haf? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted August 29, 2015 Report Share Posted August 29, 2015 Yeah we will be right in the shit if Rom scores a brace today Oh Duncan, come off it. His performance was poor, stop being a 10 year old about things. You have watched Everton longer than me and surely you seen a stagnant disinterested player like most of us. His goals came as the result of tremendous individual contributions from Gerry and Ross. If you are content to allow a tap in and another on a plate being a sign of a good performance then maybe im missing something. His performance was poor, no two ways about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted August 29, 2015 Report Share Posted August 29, 2015 you know what he means, first half Rom! But, that'll be true of the whole squad, right Haf? Mcgeady aside not really... We just didn't have the right balance and only Ross and gerry sparked the football. We relied on Rom to show in the first half as we needed him to work their defenders without getting the balls he wanted. He basically wasn't arsed! The ball kept going back at our defence. Yes there were others who werent playing well but he was doing an Alex nyarko impression. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted August 29, 2015 Report Share Posted August 29, 2015 I sewer, you watch different games to me. The gap between him and the supporting midfield was massive. Barkley changed that second half by driving forward and passing forward, Geri put the ball in the box for him. Or was it all coincidence? I think not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted August 29, 2015 Report Share Posted August 29, 2015 I sewer, you watch different games to me. The gap between him and the supporting midfield was massive. Barkley changed that second half by driving forward and passing forward, Geri put the ball in the box for him. Or was it all coincidence? I think not. As I said Matt, it wasn't his preferred method of receiving the ball but I honestly was disgusted a by the number of times he just didn't even bother trying to compete... He allowed the centre half to stop in front of him to stop the ball getting to him, it was shocking. You can't do that! Would it be ok for all our players to do that? No. His two goals and man of the match off the tv masked over one of the most disinterested displays I've seen from a striker in that 45 minutes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete0 Posted August 29, 2015 Report Share Posted August 29, 2015 Got to put some blame on the player dawdling behind him. Too often we hold on to the ball to long and make the next players job more difficult add they lose space and momentum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted August 29, 2015 Report Share Posted August 29, 2015 If he does nothing but score a goal in the game I'll be happy. Players like Cottee and Linekar made a living out of scoring tap ins and just being goal scorers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanmckenzieismagic Posted August 29, 2015 Report Share Posted August 29, 2015 Oh Duncan, come off it. His performance was poor, stop being a 10 year old about things. You have watched Everton longer than me and surely you seen a stagnant disinterested player like most of us. His goals came as the result of tremendous individual contributions from Gerry and Ross. If you are content to allow a tap in and another on a plate being a sign of a good performance then maybe im missing something. His performance was poor, no two ways about it. Ha ha Im a 10 year old because I disagree with you? He was as poor as everybody else in the first half, but as soon as we got a bit of creativity in the final third he came into the game and was as good in the second half as he was poor in the first. But as usual you ignore the positives and highlight the negatives Incidentally the bit in bold is commonly known in the game as providing service for a forward Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted August 29, 2015 Report Share Posted August 29, 2015 (edited) Service, temperature, world cup, broken toe, direct or whatever.... What the fuck was that today? Btw this is not gloating, I'm genuinely getting fucked off with his complete lack of desire to do basic things on a pitch. Honestly on his day he can seriously make me look like an idiot for questioning hi. Sadly those days are few and far between. Kone did everything that Rom should be looking to do. Then when Naismith came on he added that nasty streak he needs. Honestly, I mean it when I say he needs something done with his mind set. I appreciate the guys who back him but surely questions need to be asked. Edited August 29, 2015 by Hafnia duncanmckenzieismagic and StevO 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue 250 Posted August 29, 2015 Report Share Posted August 29, 2015 Service, temperature, world cup, broken toe, direct or whatever.... What the fuck was that today? Btw this is not gloating, I'm genuinely getting fucked off with his complete lack of desire to do basic things on a pitch. Honestly on his day he can seriously make me look like an idiot for questioning hi. Sadly those days are few and far between. Kone did everything that Rom should be looking to do. Then when Naismith came on he added that nasty streak he needs. Honestly, I mean it when I say he needs something done with his mind set. I appreciate the guys who back him but surely questions need to be asked. He was poor, we were poor, nothing from him, nothing from us......thank god for Howard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted August 29, 2015 Report Share Posted August 29, 2015 He was poor, we were poor, nothing from him, nothing from us......thank god for Howard. It's the lack of desire that infuriates me. Naismith isn't the most gifted but you know he wears the shirt with pride. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowensda Posted August 29, 2015 Report Share Posted August 29, 2015 He was poor, we were poor, nothing from him, nothing from us......thank god for Howard. This. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC11 Posted August 29, 2015 Report Share Posted August 29, 2015 His all round game isn't good enough but the most frustrating thing is him giving the ball away. As soon as it goes into his feet he loses it. It's not good enough but I suppose he gets away with it because he gets goals. Our best chance came when Kone went as the spearhead. Naismith puts himself about but we looked blunt in attack with him there two. McCarthy is like a spare man at the moment complete waste of a player. Barry is doing much much more. Barkley should be in the middle of the park now. Get a proper 10 in and play with two proper wingers. I know it sound very harsh but Cleverleys injury may be a blessing in disguise as the side he's been fielding looks to be his starting 11. For me it isn't working. With a cleverley out now he's going to have to play one if the wingers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted August 29, 2015 Report Share Posted August 29, 2015 Team didn't play well, he didn't play well. Simple as that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForEverton2 Posted August 29, 2015 Report Share Posted August 29, 2015 Im glad he got the yellow. He needs to show some fight. He can be such a daisy at times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC11 Posted August 29, 2015 Report Share Posted August 29, 2015 Team didn't play well, he didn't play well. Simple as that. Well done. Bless you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForEverton2 Posted August 29, 2015 Report Share Posted August 29, 2015 (edited) Im glad he got the yellow. He needs to show some fight. He can be such a daisy at times. Nvm. Did not get a yellow. Still a daisy. Edited August 29, 2015 by ForEverton2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted August 29, 2015 Report Share Posted August 29, 2015 Well done. Bless you.never know if you're being sarcastic or not I should say, our defensive play did well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shukes Posted August 29, 2015 Report Share Posted August 29, 2015 never know if you're being sarcastic or not I should say, our defensive play did well How long has MC been on these forums? He is our sarcasm champ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted August 30, 2015 Author Report Share Posted August 30, 2015 I'll worry and be severely pissed off if we play well and he still puts in a performance like that. Not that I'm happy with how he played yesterday but come on, the only outfield player who had an above average game was Kone. Who, incidentally, hadn't played 120 minutes on the Wednesday. Coincidence? I think not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted August 30, 2015 Report Share Posted August 30, 2015 I'll worry and be severely pissed off if we play well and he still puts in a performance like that. Not that I'm happy with how he played yesterday but come on, the only outfield player who had an above average game was Kone. Who, incidentally, hadn't played 120 minutes on the Wednesday. Coincidence? I think not. I actually think Rom only "played" 70 minutes on Wednesday, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted August 30, 2015 Report Share Posted August 30, 2015 (edited) I'll worry and be severely pissed off if we play well and he still puts in a performance like that. Not that I'm happy with how he played yesterday but come on, the only outfield player who had an above average game was Kone. Who, incidentally, hadn't played 120 minutes on the Wednesday. Coincidence? I think not. I think you can plot a graph and predict his "down tools" games. I said a long time ago he seems to have a great game where he really does have a go. It's after that he seems to think "right, that will do for now"... He gets subbed or dropped then he decides to prove himself. Edited August 30, 2015 by Hafnia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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