Romey 1878 Posted September 2, 2010 Report Share Posted September 2, 2010 Not as much as other though. Almost every club is going into further debt. True, but at clubs like Sunderland for example, they have a rich owner who is better able to take that debt on. We, on the other hand, have owners that can't shoulder that debt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcopaulo Posted September 2, 2010 Report Share Posted September 2, 2010 (edited) we're still going into debt even though we don't spend any of the tv money and prize money for finished in decent prem positions and the fact our wage bill isn't that high i would think? not in the know about all the club finances obviously so my knowledge is very basic and generalised i guess but it is worrying if we are spending nothing and still going further into debt Edited September 2, 2010 by marcopaulo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamiemaher85 Posted September 2, 2010 Report Share Posted September 2, 2010 True, but at clubs like Sunderland for example, they have a rich owner who is better able to take that debt on. We, on the other hand, have owners that can't shoulder that debt. Sunderland is sell to buy just like us. They may well have spent £18m this window. But they have sold £18m worth of players. There in the same boat. And their owner has said this is the last time he's willing to take on any more debt levels. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamiemaher85 Posted September 2, 2010 Report Share Posted September 2, 2010 we're still going into debt even though we don't spend any of the tv money and prize money for finished in decent prem positions and the fact our wage bill isn't that high i would think? not in the know about all the club finances obviously so my knowledge is very basic and generalised i guess but it is worrying if we are spending nothing and still going further into debt Our wage bill has increased drastically over the last few years. This is where the money has been going. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcopaulo Posted September 2, 2010 Report Share Posted September 2, 2010 we just need a decent sponsor deal for once i reckon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamiemaher85 Posted September 2, 2010 Report Share Posted September 2, 2010 we just need a decent sponsor deal for once i reckon We could do what Spurs do and have a different sponsor for each competition!! In seriousness, we should look at getting American sponsorship Our stock is higher than ever there and that is a revenue stream that should be taken advantage of. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcopaulo Posted September 2, 2010 Report Share Posted September 2, 2010 that's too simple and obvious for everton to do Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted September 2, 2010 Report Share Posted September 2, 2010 We could do what Spurs do and have a different sponsor for each competition!! It was a bit of a masterstroke by them wasn't it. You can't have gambling sponsorship in that competition so they took advantage of it and got another on board. Brilliant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanmckenzieismagic Posted September 2, 2010 Report Share Posted September 2, 2010 Well you just have to deal with it. We can all long for money to come in but in my eyes about 75% of the new owners coming in at the moment are more trouble than they're worth. People say alot of Lerner, for example, being a good example of how a new owner can work out. In the past four years he's put £80m debt onto the club and takes £5m management fee's from the club. United's and Liverpool's problems with the owners putting crippiling debts onto their clubs is well documented. Pompey have screwed up, Leeds screwed up, Hull almost screwed up. The guy mooted to buy Blackburn has just been announced as actually bankrupt. Sunderland and Brum both have new owners but who knows what lies around the corner for them? The "vast majority" as you say, are spending money, which I don't think is entirely true, the spending in the Prem is down £200m over the last few season and if it wasn't for City it would be drastically less. Alot of people are saying about how Sunderland have spent highly this summer, and it's true that they have invested £18m on new players, but they have also sold £18m worth of players. Arsenal's net spend is only £4m but they have taken 20 players off their pay bill this summer. Brum have invested but have also had to shift 14 players off their books. Fulham was sell to buy. Liverpool was sell to buy. Spurs have been very thrifty considering the revenue boost they will recieve this year. I'll accept what is going on with the club as we are ensuring that we are living within our means. More clubs will start hitting much harder times soon and people shouldn't think that the world is full of generous arabs willing to plow untold fortunes into a club. City are the exception. Not the rule. By the way, this is not an apology for BK. I'm not an aplogist before I get labelled it by some. I'm just trying to look at the bigger picture here and take in the facts and figures with other clubs. It is very true! http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/en/premier-league/transferuebersicht/wettbewerb_GB1.html The Shite, Villa and Fulham have actually made a profit Blackburn have broken even and EVERY OTHER CLUB in the Prem has spent considerably more than us. I would say that qualifies as the vast majority There is a world of difference between dreaming of a billionaire arab to come riding over the horizon and wanting the club to add a player or 2 to the squad every now and again. I accepted that we cant do a City ( Stoke City that is!) and I was happy when Moyse was saying we have to make small steps each year. I would be happy with one decent signing per year but to just tread water and not build on the squad at all is hard to take You are right I will "Just have to deal with it" but it doesnt really fit in with the club motto and it doesnt mean I have to like it either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamiemaher85 Posted September 2, 2010 Report Share Posted September 2, 2010 It is very true! http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/en/premier-league/transferuebersicht/wettbewerb_GB1.html The Shite, Villa and Fulham have actually made a profit Blackburn have broken even and EVERY OTHER CLUB in the Prem has spent considerably more than us. I would say that qualifies as the vast majority There is a world of difference between dreaming of a billionaire arab to come riding over the horizon and wanting the club to add a player or 2 to the squad every now and again. I accepted that we cant do a City ( Stoke City that is!) and I was happy when Moyse was saying we have to make small steps each year. I would be happy with one decent signing per year but to just tread water and not build on the squad at all is hard to take You are right I will "Just have to deal with it" but it doesnt really fit in with the club motto and it doesnt mean I have to like it either. Everyone has missed the point of investing heavily in the restructuring of the wage system though. We have struggled in the past to be able to offer the higer end wages to attract the better players. We have slowly restructed this system and now are in a situation where we can do this. Would you prefer to spend over-inflated fee's on half decent players or be able to pay the wages of an improving squad? Who cares what the motto is really? It doesn't make any difference. Just because our motto says one thing doesn't mean that we should just start plumming money into transfers when it will seriously damage the long term security of the club. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
c1982 Posted September 2, 2010 Author Report Share Posted September 2, 2010 We're not going to be able to compete financially until we have a better stadium. What do we have...13 boxes?! Other teams in modern stadiums have 50 odd (guess!) this is where the money is - the more boxes etc. you have, the more you take in on match days and more importantly the more you take in on non-match days e.g. corporate events. We just don't have the facilities at GP! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamiemaher85 Posted September 3, 2010 Report Share Posted September 3, 2010 We're not going to be able to compete financially until we have a better stadium. What do we have...13 boxes?! Other teams in modern stadiums have 50 odd (guess!) this is where the money is - the more boxes etc. you have, the more you take in on match days and more importantly the more you take in on non-match days e.g. corporate events. We just don't have the facilities at GP! We've just started work on new facilities at Goodison which will increase the corporate options available. Which is good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted September 3, 2010 Report Share Posted September 3, 2010 We've just started work on new facilities at Goodison which will increase the corporate options available. Which is good. You mean this Jamie or is something else happening? Don't suppose there's any news on the planning permission yet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamiemaher85 Posted September 3, 2010 Report Share Posted September 3, 2010 You mean this Jamie or is something else happening? Don't suppose there's any news on the planning permission yet? That's the one. I spoke with someone who works in Goodison and they where saying that the devlopment would include an expansion of the corporate facilities and would increase the possibility of a higher revenue from corporate boxes and events. I havn't however seen any written proof of this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted September 3, 2010 Report Share Posted September 3, 2010 That's the one. I spoke with someone who works in Goodison and they where saying that the devlopment would include an expansion of the corporate facilities and would increase the possibility of a higher revenue from corporate boxes and events. I havn't however seen any written proof of this. Yeah I think I read that moving a lot of office space away from the ground would free up space for boxes etc. Has anyone done one of these "hospitalty" packages? I fancy giving one a go sometime....sure someone said on here once that they'd done it. Maybe we could have a TT box ? Although that wouldn't be much good for the season ticket holders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rubecula Posted September 3, 2010 Report Share Posted September 3, 2010 A TT box would be brilliant. I reckon Louis could do that from his loose change Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kohen Posted September 4, 2010 Report Share Posted September 4, 2010 Well I just bought some goodies via the link at the top so, I'm always helping Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finn balor Posted September 5, 2010 Report Share Posted September 5, 2010 We've just started work on new facilities at Goodison which will increase the corporate options available. Which is good. so thats where the money went..... you wouldnt mind if they would just say Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted September 5, 2010 Report Share Posted September 5, 2010 so thats where the money went..... you wouldnt mind if they would just say "Mr Elstone said the plans would be "self-funded" as cash would be taken from extended deals with catering partner Sodexo and retail partner Kitbag." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
c1982 Posted January 30, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 30, 2011 I thought I'd re-open this thread in prep for tomorrow! I think I'm in the minority but I actually think a Pienaar/ Arteta type 'loan to buy' who will actually improve us could be on it's way and it'll be a name none of us have mentioned!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted January 30, 2011 Report Share Posted January 30, 2011 I admire your optimism. I'm staying away for as much of it as I possibly can. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted January 30, 2011 Report Share Posted January 30, 2011 I thought I'd re-open this thread in prep for tomorrow! I think I'm in the minority but I actually think a Pienaar/ Arteta type 'loan to buy' who will actually improve us could be on it's way and it'll be a name none of us have mentioned!!! I wouldve thought Moyes categorically stating no when asked the question "do you expect to see someone coming in before the deadline?" would rule out the optimism. I hope he was lying and that youre right though! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted January 30, 2011 Report Share Posted January 30, 2011 It was a double bluff Matt....hot news on the way . Be here...it'd be a shame to miss it . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted January 30, 2011 Report Share Posted January 30, 2011 It was a double bluff Matt....hot news on the way . Be here...it'd be a shame to miss it . we've got more chance of signing Torres.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted January 30, 2011 Report Share Posted January 30, 2011 we've got more chance of signing Torres.... Don't be daft Matt, Sergio Torres would cost way too much for us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
c1982 Posted January 30, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 30, 2011 http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11661_6712101,00.html Thought I'd start the silliness!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holystove Posted January 30, 2011 Report Share Posted January 30, 2011 Thought I'd start the silliness!!! http://translate.google.com/translate?js=n&prev=_t&hl=nl&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&sl=nl&tl=en&u=http://sporza.be/cm/sporza/voetbal/Jupiler_Pro_League/110130_vanholsbeeck_over_transfer "Tomorrow a big name will leave Anderlecht for a better competition". We've been linked with both Boussoufa and Legear. And the article says the "big news" wont be that Legear leaves for Moscow. Maybe... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LexKing Posted January 30, 2011 Report Share Posted January 30, 2011 Anyone already on duty at airport? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inca85 Posted January 30, 2011 Report Share Posted January 30, 2011 According to Sky Sports, van der Meyde is re-signing !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smeghead1 Posted January 30, 2011 Report Share Posted January 30, 2011 According to Sky Sports, van der Meyde is re-signing !! Bahahahahahahahahahahahahaha oh dear, has he talked Messi into joining him? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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