Who would you sell ? Fellaini v Baines

[Avinalaff]

Fellaini v Baines

 

If one had to go, which player would you sell, and which would you keep and why ?

[Zoo]

Fellaini.

 

He would bring in more money and could be replaced. Baines IMO would bring in small cash (for what I beleive he's worth) and wouldn't be replaced as he's the only world-class left-back in the Premier League.

[pete0]

Baines. He's a full back which is easier to replace plus he's older. Put Mirallas on the left and get a more defence minded LB to allow him to go forward.

Fellaini in the centre of the park is irreplaceable with out the team dropping in quality/performance.

[JoeQuince]

Fellaini, as I don't feel we are utilizing him in the role he's best at; he will bring big money; and we can utilize that to bolster several areas of our squad that need improvement.

 

Between Baines and Fellaini, I think--attacking wise--that Baines has a more positive influence on our play. Fellaini is great in his natural role, but doesn't influence the attacking side of the game much from there. And, in the more advanced role, he does influence the attack, but in a way that is really grinding my gears at the moment.

 

We'll get more from selling Felli and lose less from selling Felli.

 

(I think I've definitely already come to terms with losing him)

[Bill]

I thought Oviedo was bought to replace Baines, so i would sell both and buy a decent Mid to take Fellaini's place

[Avinalaff]

For me, it would be Baines.

 

We have Oviedo already in the squad, and that means we can immidiately cover Baines' position with 'another' attacking Left Back. Whether he proves to offer what Baines does remains to be seen, but the early signs are there that he is an exciting player with speed.

 

We can then use the money to bolster our midfield.

 

Baines is 28, where as Fellaini is 25.

 

The only issue I have is that Baines is English. He is our dead ball specialist too, but there are others also, such as Jelavic and Gibson, not to mention Hitz.

 

If we lose Fellaini, we also lose an icon.

 

He can put us on the world wide map in the same way that Beckham succeeded, and the financial opportunities are huge, especially if Belgium do well. Without him, we would have a big hole in the team, that I feel is harder to fill.

[Avinalaff]

I thought Oviedo was bought to replace Baines, so i would sell both and buy a decent Mid to take Fellaini's place

 

The debate is one or the other Bill.

[Zoo]

The only issue I have is that Baines is English. He is our dead ball specialist too, but there are others also, such as Jelavic and Gibson, not to mention Hitz.

 

Gibson gets injured frequently so does not play enough to be a regular free-kick taker for us. Hitz is another who couldn't fill Baines place because he dosen't play enough, he can't be our 'free-kick taker' if he's not on the field.

 

Jelavic is the only realistic one IMO.

[GoodisonRoad]

Fellaini for me. We'd get more money for him and he is easier to replace. Baines, like Zoo said is the only "world class" left back in the league, he's a local lad as well which always helps imo. I've seen nothing from Oveido yet to suggest he could even come close to filling Baines's boots.

[Romey 1878]

Fellaini, for the same reasons as other people have said - we'd find it easier to replace him and get more money for him.

 

I don't think Oviedo will ever be our regular left-back, he looks much more suited to playing on the wing.

[Steve_E]

Fellaini. There are more very good midfielders out there than there are very good left backs so it would be easier to replace him. Also, he should get us more money than Baines would.

Edited January 24, 2013 by Steve_E

[Shukes]

Hate to say it as hes one of my favourite players ever, but Bianes.

 

The reason why is that i think we have a good left back coming through and we can replace a full back. Felli is an anomoly of a player and one that rarely comes through. A big gangly bloke that has Ossies close control......mustard!

[Tristagi]

Stuff it, sell them both. If we can get 50m+ for the pair, do it. Add 2-3 players into the squad and a large chunk of the debt is gone.

[Peter H]

Fellaini.

 

He would bring in more money and could be replaced. Baines IMO would bring in small cash (for what I beleive he's worth) and wouldn't be replaced as he's the only world-class left-back in the Premier League.

 

Pretty much the same reason. To replace Felli could be as cheap as 10-15 mil, good business if we get 25-30 for him.

[pete0]

Pretty much the same reason. To replace Felli could be as cheap as 10-15 mil, good business if we get 25-30 for him.

You'd need two of them to replace Fellaini.

[Bailey]

Neither!

 

I dont care about your bloody rules Avin!

[Avinalaff]

Neither!

 

I dont care about your bloody rules Avin!

 

I've made a note in my 'naughty' book.

[Guest]

Id sell Felli. You cant replace him like for like but like most people are saying you could get two midfielders in and change our style of play so we are less direct and play Mirallas behind Jelly

[SimonButtle]

Fellaini, we don't need him like we need Baines, we have done a without Felli in the past but Baines accounts for so much more, defending, attacking, free kicks corner kicks, penalties. He's priceless imo.

Edited January 24, 2013 by Simon

[MikeO]

are you going to tell us who the left back is ?

 

Garbutt?

[Hafnia]

Fellaini in a heart beat.

 

Reasons:- baines wants to play for everton, he is consistent, is in the top 3 in the world in his role, is involved in more goals and attacks than fellaini. He's an evertonian and he isn't worth as much in transfer money than fellaini.

 

Fellaini is great when he plays as well as he can - which isn't often enough. He makes us one dimensional and lazy. He always seems to be eyeing a move. He can be replaced by a more dynamic, pass orientated "leader" - something we lack in that area.

[Hafnia]

Good thread btw av

[Dalziel Kane]

Voted for Fellaini, but if asked a few months ago, wouldn't have been so quick with a decision.

 

Fellaini has been our most important player in recent times, but just recently, and what with that nonsense at Stoke City a few weeks back, just hasn't been the player that most will recognize. We could still get a very good price for the Belgian as it stands but I don't know what actual figure he may, or will, leave for. It's a pity, but has just fallen out of favor recently and seems to bring a lot of attention on himself. Baines is usually reliable, good at set pieces, an important squad member, in fact they both are, but given the choice, and looking at it now, I'd rather keep Baines and allow the other to move on. Of course the money factor is always there as some have spoken on. Baines simply can't command a potential sum like the Belgian could.

[Avinalaff]

I don't want to hap on over the same point, but it's not just about what happens on the pitch.

 

Fellaini as a brand, is potentially enormous, and I wonder if Everton are making the most of it. Baines as a brand, is fairly inconspicuous by comparison.

 

The Afro is golden, and any club buying him should cough up extra simply for the revenue he will create.

[SimonButtle]

I don't want to hap on over the same point, but it's not just about what happens on the pitch.

 

Fellaini as a brand, is potentially enormous, and I wonder if Everton are making the most of it. Baines as a brand, is fairly inconspicuous by comparison.

 

The Afro is golden, and any club buying him should cough up extra simply for the revenue he will create.

Of course we don't but this is and has been a huge problem with the club for many years, even i can see an argument for Kenwright and his cronies staying on, if they would just get on board a commercial person with a proven track record in the sports industry(even entertainment to some extent), the sort of person who would have an instant list of 20 different money making opportunities based around Felli's afro for instance, it's something we have lacked for a long time, i think we have failed to make the most of a few situations like this over recent times.

As for Baines as a brand, have to disagree Av, he's a local hero. looks like he could be the 5th Beatle and is probably the best left back in Europe at the moment, i think with the right backing his profile could be huge and much bigger than Felli, he has a crazy haircut, and he's a good player, but he's nowhere near the top midfielders in the game imo.

Edited January 24, 2013 by Simon

[Avinalaff]

If we signed Dizzy Gillespie, a few years back, we could have had Afro, Dizzy and Yak.

[Hafnia]

If prince william was a world class player, wore the number 9 shirt of everton and had the queen watching games sat next to blue bill it would be wasted on our marketeers. (Do we have any? - probably outsource them too)

[shetland]

Gotta be Fellaini to go for me for lots of reasons,

 

1) We'd get more money for him

2) Baines is closer to being the best in the world in his position than Felli is

3) Baines brings more to the table for example free kicks and penalties, I know others could do this but if it aint broke!

4) Baines is more consistent in his performances and rarely doesnt put a good shift in

5) Felli much more likely to lose his head and get needless yellow and red cards or even incidents like at Stoke therefore

more likely to cost us points

 

Personally I hope we don't have to sell either but for the money we'd get for Felli (reportedly around £25m) surely we could get someone

who can have as of an effect on games whereas I think we'd seriously struggle to find a replacement for Baines that isnt already playing

for a top club who can offer more than we can!

 

Easy decision for me anyway!

 

Oh and I can understand people mentioning Oviedo he definitely looks a great prospect to me too but til hes been given a run of games at

left back he's unproven as a replacement for Baines, from what I've seen the majority of his game time has been spent on the wing.

Edited January 25, 2013 by Blue Oz

[chicagoblue]

Went with Baines despite the fact that he's probably my favorite Everton player. I think Av makes a few really good points. Baines right now is probably at the top of his value, and we have 1 or 2 options that can come in to replace him. A few premier league teams need a LB right now and we'll get a premium for his being English.

 

Can't deny that he is the source of much our attack play, but if Felli is partly responsible for our one dimensional attack, then Baines is as well. When Felli is played in position this complaint also disappears. Really, neither is the problem, but the way we're organized, whether it's to try and take advantage of Felli's height or b/c we don't have the second striker Moyes wants I don't know, but, and he's said it himself, shoving Felli up front is not the best use of that resource. Very much doubt you'd see him up there, except when pushing for a late comeback, if he were to play for most any other team. Perhaps with Vic's emergence there may be more and more of an argument to sit Felli back, if that happens I think we'll really see a transformation in our play again and we'll be reminded of his unique skill set.

 

While Baines certainly has the local connection and is a home favourite, Felli has the ability to be a brand ambassador across the world. Once you see him play you know who Everton are. Also think, release clause aside, that his value will continue to rise.

 

In terms of Baines' ability to tick a few boxes for the team, I don't really think that any of them are irreplaceable right now apart from direct free kicks on the right side from 22-35 yards. Everything else we have a more than competent replacement for.

[Peter H]

 

You'd need two of them to replace Fellaini.

 

M'Vila was 10 mil, in the January window which is more expensive than the summer window. 15 mil in the summer should be enough to replace Felli.

Edited January 25, 2013 by Peter H