Shukes Posted January 23, 2022 Report Share Posted January 23, 2022 15 minutes ago, MikeO said: Why did nobody else think of that? I said in another thread I could take over this team and get a few results out of them. This proves it, I’m a god damn genius! StevO and MikeO 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted January 23, 2022 Report Share Posted January 23, 2022 1 hour ago, Shukes said: To a point. But i do think it’s the wrong time. what exactly is it they want? We brought in Brands, who was universally rated. It didn’t work. It’s not necessarily a bad decision. This board brought us a new stadium. Thos board brought us a new shareholder with money. They brought us high profile managers, who again were universally respected. What is it they are suggesting? Click the magic winning button. Well when is the right time? We currently have no manager, do medical department, no scouting network. The time to start asking Moshiri to make better decisions on the people he listens to, and not just his agent mate who was at the game yesterday, and start recruiting people with football experience and let them do the job. There is no secret he hired Brands yet still took just as much advice from agents than from his own people at the club. I’d rather he kept Brands and let him do the job he was hired to do. If he did then we wouldn’t have had the Rafa issue at the very least. The one high profile manager we actually wanted to stay got a better offer. Personally I’d be happy with a good manager rather than a high profile. No one has an issue with him building a stadium. That’s great, but also going to make his asset a whole lot more valuable than it currently is. What they are suggesting is bringing in people with experience of running football clubs and let them do their job. It’s a simple concept and is pretty much universally followed at successful football clubs. Some really good discussion between Jenas and Lescott on the BT Sport app from before the game yesterday discussing how this stuff needs to work at the club. Matt and Romey 1878 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plaidharper Posted January 23, 2022 Report Share Posted January 23, 2022 1 hour ago, StevO said: Well when is the right time? It may already be too late. If we go down that stadium is never getting built. Any parachute payment will be a drop in the bucket. Feeling rather worried this morning. StevO 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shukes Posted January 23, 2022 Report Share Posted January 23, 2022 1 hour ago, StevO said: Well when is the right time? We currently have no manager, do medical department, no scouting network. The time to start asking Moshiri to make better decisions on the people he listens to, and not just his agent mate who was at the game yesterday, and start recruiting people with football experience and let them do the job. There is no secret he hired Brands yet still took just as much advice from agents than from his own people at the club. I’d rather he kept Brands and let him do the job he was hired to do. If he did then we wouldn’t have had the Rafa issue at the very least. The one high profile manager we actually wanted to stay got a better offer. Personally I’d be happy with a good manager rather than a high profile. No one has an issue with him building a stadium. That’s great, but also going to make his asset a whole lot more valuable than it currently is. What they are suggesting is bringing in people with experience of running football clubs and let them do their job. It’s a simple concept and is pretty much universally followed at successful football clubs. Some really good discussion between Jenas and Lescott on the BT Sport app from before the game yesterday discussing how this stuff needs to work at the club. But we do have a medical department and we do have a scouting network. Weve just brought in tow bright young prospects. That high profile manager you wanted to stay played football that rivalled Sam’s, and other than a great start…. Was falling faster than the titanic. Brands came in with a big reputation, but ultimately failed. Like you said, he wasn’t strong enough to own his position. Not many could have foresaw that. Brands had a reputation of being an expert in his field. The fact he failed doesn’t mean he wasn’t and it was the wrong choice, just means it didn’t work. Sorry mate but no way am I going to accept Leacott and Jenas as business models for our club. There not even good pundits haha No I get the feelings behind it. I don’t agree with it or support it though. But at the same time, I wouldn’t show them any disrespect. People like to voice their concerns in different ways. I just fee running a premier league club is one of the hardest jobs out there, and offer my support as a fan in a different way. Palfy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted January 23, 2022 Report Share Posted January 23, 2022 38 minutes ago, Shukes said: But we do have a medical department and we do have a scouting network. Weve just brought in tow bright young prospects. That high profile manager you wanted to stay played football that rivalled Sam’s, and other than a great start…. Was falling faster than the titanic. Brands came in with a big reputation, but ultimately failed. Like you said, he wasn’t strong enough to own his position. Not many could have foresaw that. Brands had a reputation of being an expert in his field. The fact he failed doesn’t mean he wasn’t and it was the wrong choice, just means it didn’t work. Sorry mate but no way am I going to accept Leacott and Jenas as business models for our club. There not even good pundits haha No I get the feelings behind it. I don’t agree with it or support it though. But at the same time, I wouldn’t show them any disrespect. People like to voice their concerns in different ways. I just fee running a premier league club is one of the hardest jobs out there, and offer my support as a fan in a different way. We dont appear to have a head of either the medical or scouting departments, or a head of the footballing side of the club... or a manager. In fact do we have any of the most important positions filled at the moment? The two prospects are just that... prospects. Neither of which made the squad this weekend. We need starters now. We sold one of the best left backs in the division for a relative unknown for not too disimilar money. Like StevO says, I dont think we need high profile managers. They dont fit the club IMO. We need a competent manager that will get the club and maybe go on to better things in time. The truth is we don't know if Brands was or wasnt the right or wrong choice because he didnt get to do his job. Everyone says he should have done x or should have done y but that is very easy to say from the outside looking in. Anyone who has been im a situation where the person paying you makes decisions you dont agree with will know that all you can do is say your piece, then if it becomes too much, you quit. Brands quit. Running a football club must be hard but an accountant with no footballing experience should use the experts he employs rather than going on his own little forays. That is the crux. If this club is going to go anywhere positive that is the first thing that needs to change because it affects every other facet of the club. StevO and Romey 1878 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted January 23, 2022 Report Share Posted January 23, 2022 1 hour ago, plaidharper said: It may already be too late. If we go down that stadium is never getting built. Any parachute payment will be a drop in the bucket. Feeling rather worried this morning. I think the stadium could be sold and rented, or even mortgaged. That will look after itself and is actually the one thing I'm not worried about. But i do worry that if we go down, we could easily freefall like City or Leeds of yesteryear. Romey 1878 and StevO 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plaidharper Posted January 23, 2022 Report Share Posted January 23, 2022 4 minutes ago, Matt said: I think the stadium could be sold and rented, or even mortgaged. That will look after itself and is actually the one thing I'm not worried about. But i do worry that if we go down, we could easily freefall like City or Leeds of yesteryear. Who would ya sell/rent/mortgage it too though? Mind you the Liverpool arena is already on the water and available for rentals though the capacity is smaller. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted January 23, 2022 Report Share Posted January 23, 2022 10 minutes ago, plaidharper said: Who would ya sell/rent/mortgage it too though? Mind you the Liverpool arena is already on the water and available for rentals though the capacity is smaller. Usmanov plaidharper 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shukes Posted January 23, 2022 Report Share Posted January 23, 2022 3 hours ago, Bailey said: We dont appear to have a head of either the medical or scouting departments, or a head of the footballing side of the club... or a manager. In fact do we have any of the most important positions filled at the moment? The two prospects are just that... prospects. Neither of which made the squad this weekend. We need starters now. We sold one of the best left backs in the division for a relative unknown for not too disimilar money. Like StevO says, I dont think we need high profile managers. They dont fit the club IMO. We need a competent manager that will get the club and maybe go on to better things in time. The truth is we don't know if Brands was or wasnt the right or wrong choice because he didnt get to do his job. Everyone says he should have done x or should have done y but that is very easy to say from the outside looking in. Anyone who has been im a situation where the person paying you makes decisions you dont agree with will know that all you can do is say your piece, then if it becomes too much, you quit. Brands quit. Running a football club must be hard but an accountant with no footballing experience should use the experts he employs rather than going on his own little forays. That is the crux. If this club is going to go anywhere positive that is the first thing that needs to change because it affects every other facet of the club. So Rafa and An slotting aren’t competent managers? Sure they are. They are both proven. Brands had plenty of opportunities to do his job, but failed in his application. He knows how to do the job as he has proven elsewhere. Even before him we brought in a very well respected DOF who also failed. The two lads not making the squad this weekend is a really weak reason. That’s simply Ferguson trying his own ideas…. Which is what we want isn’t it? Left back wanted to leave. No matter how we butter it up, he wanted out. The accountant should bring in experts to do the work, and he did didn't he? Players that are proven elsewhere. But it hasn’t worked. Again, we don't have some divine right for things to work out or to win. I sat on the supporters coach in the way to the match Saturday, and said the same…. The answer from the coach was a resounding “but most Everton fans feel an entitlement, and that’s the issue”. Like or or not, as a club… we are a mid table team. Like any team we want more. But to get there, the club, management, staff, board, and especially…. And more importantly the players need to work their asses off. The club should be held accountable. I just don’t see what getting rid of the board will achieve. Replace them with the who? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted January 23, 2022 Report Share Posted January 23, 2022 10 minutes ago, Shukes said: So Rafa and An slotting aren’t competent managers? Sure they are. They are both proven. Brands had plenty of opportunities to do his job, but failed in his application. He knows how to do the job as he has proven elsewhere. Even before him we brought in a very well respected DOF who also failed. The two lads not making the squad this weekend is a really weak reason. That’s simply Ferguson trying his own ideas…. Which is what we want isn’t it? Left back wanted to leave. No matter how we butter it up, he wanted out. The accountant should bring in experts to do the work, and he did didn't he? Players that are proven elsewhere. But it hasn’t worked. Again, we don't have some divine right for things to work out or to win. I sat on the supporters coach in the way to the match Saturday, and said the same…. The answer from the coach was a resounding “but most Everton fans feel an entitlement, and that’s the issue”. Like or or not, as a club… we are a mid table team. Like any team we want more. But to get there, the club, management, staff, board, and especially…. And more importantly the players need to work their asses off. The club should be held accountable. I just don’t see what getting rid of the board will achieve. Replace them with the who? Ancellotti last successfully managed a club like Everton when I was just a nipper. Benitez was average at Newcastle and then buggered off to China. There were definitely doubts that his football wouldnt improve us before he signed. Brands and Walsh before him, who had never been a DOF, have clearly had their hands tied. We have seen Mykolenko and he isn't looking as good as we had. The little bits I have seen of Patterson clearly ear mark him as one for the long term, not a right now player. Manager selections suggest that too. The point is, they will need time and our need is now. Do you not agree? Its not simply the point that the left back wanted to leave. He wanted to go because of the manager who we just sacked days before. He wanted to leave the manager not the club. The manager was then allowed to bring in 3 players of his own before he was sacked. That comes from the very top and its rotten. I dont think anyone disagrees that things do or do not work out. Thats life, let alone football. I think its more of a case of where is the plan? Why bring in these people and then ignore them? Why hire managers who want to play a certain why then bring in players on the advice of agents who have a vested interest? This isnt just a case of a bit of bad luck that things haven't worked out. I don't think the issue is necessarily the board, its Mohsiri. I get that its his money and he has a right to have his input but if he wants success he needs to back off and let those with the specialist knowledge run the club. Mohsiri changing his mind on whim is not a stable way of running a football club. Shukes 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shukes Posted January 23, 2022 Report Share Posted January 23, 2022 Don’t agree on the managers mate. They are very respected and have won a boat load of trophy’s. No one could have predicted they would fail so badly. Some may have guessed correctly haha. But that’s just like the people that guessed Kaiser Sosai. Totally agree about the two new signings. But I differ in what it means. To me it’s a clear transfer policy to build. I am interested to hear your stats on Digne though. I honestly thought he had dropped this season. With Brands and Walsh, I still don’t know that they had their hands tied? Maybe it’s just I haven’t read the right articles… and I do t mean that in a sarcastic way… honestly haven’t looked into it much so could be completely wrong. My Point about the board is there aren’t many left. If I was Moshiri, I would come out and ask… which ones? They’ve all gone already haven’t they? Or is it Denise they want rid of? Or should i just sell up to the next mercenarie and drop the stadium ect? Really… what is it they want? Sack the board….. if they were fans that took a little notice, they would know that most the board has already gone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shukes Posted January 23, 2022 Report Share Posted January 23, 2022 I love this club. And sometimes it may blind me to what’s going on. That I can admit. But if it’s blue and has our brand on it… then it’s golden and I won’t let anyone tell me otherwise. I dont just wear blue tinted glasses, but must have been pinned down and hypnotised or something g at a young age. Palfy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palfy Posted January 23, 2022 Report Share Posted January 23, 2022 33 minutes ago, Shukes said: I love this club. And sometimes it may blind me to what’s going on. That I can admit. But if it’s blue and has our brand on it… then it’s golden and I won’t let anyone tell me otherwise. I dont just wear blue tinted glasses, but must have been pinned down and hypnotised or something g at a young age. We are fans mate and passionate and when we see our club struggling it’s natural to blame those in charge and want them out, but what we fail to consider is who will come in and will they bring more to the table. So let’s carry on supporting our club through the dark days knowing we have nothing else to offer but our love passion and support, we ain’t sitting on the board and we definitely ain’t buying the club, so why some want the board sacked doesn’t make sense to me they just take care of the everyday administration for the owner, and them gone won’t make us a better team. London Blue and Shukes 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shukes Posted January 23, 2022 Report Share Posted January 23, 2022 Palfy for the board! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palfy Posted January 23, 2022 Report Share Posted January 23, 2022 24 minutes ago, Shukes said: Palfy for the board! Fuck that Shukester and have you calling for head Shukes 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gwlad Posted January 23, 2022 Report Share Posted January 23, 2022 2 hours ago, Shukes said: So Rafa and An slotting aren’t competent managers? Sure they are. They are both proven. Brands had plenty of opportunities to do his job, but failed in his application. He knows how to do the job as he has proven elsewhere. Even before him we brought in a very well respected DOF who also failed. The two lads not making the squad this weekend is a really weak reason. That’s simply Ferguson trying his own ideas…. Which is what we want isn’t it? Left back wanted to leave. No matter how we butter it up, he wanted out. The accountant should bring in experts to do the work, and he did didn't he? Players that are proven elsewhere. But it hasn’t worked. Again, we don't have some divine right for things to work out or to win. I sat on the supporters coach in the way to the match Saturday, and said the same…. The answer from the coach was a resounding “but most Everton fans feel an entitlement, and that’s the issue”. Like or or not, as a club… we are a mid table team. Like any team we want more. But to get there, the club, management, staff, board, and especially…. And more importantly the players need to work their asses off. The club should be held accountable. I just don’t see what getting rid of the board will achieve. Replace them with the who? Take that An slotting back in a heartbeat, Shukes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shukes Posted January 24, 2022 Report Share Posted January 24, 2022 7 hours ago, Gwlad all over said: Take that An slotting back in a heartbeat, Shukes. This bloody thing has a mind of its own haha! But Carlo…. Should have Slotted right in? …. No? I’ll leave it then haha! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted January 24, 2022 Report Share Posted January 24, 2022 2 hours ago, Shukes said: This bloody thing has a mind of its own haha! But Carlo…. Should have Slotted right in? …. No? I’ll leave it then haha! Depends how much Depth he's got, no? Shukes 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post StevO Posted January 24, 2022 Popular Post Report Share Posted January 24, 2022 13 hours ago, Shukes said: I love this club. And sometimes it may blind me to what’s going on. That I can admit. But if it’s blue and has our brand on it… then it’s golden and I won’t let anyone tell me otherwise. I dont just wear blue tinted glasses, but must have been pinned down and hypnotised or something g at a young age. Shukes this is my favourite post you’ve ever made. Full description of how your blue tinted glasses are super glued to your eyes before claiming not to wear them. Shukes, Zoo 2.0, Romey 1878 and 2 others 1 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted January 24, 2022 Report Share Posted January 24, 2022 As he communicates through, checks notes, yes Jim fucking White . Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted January 24, 2022 Report Share Posted January 24, 2022 36 minutes ago, Romey 1878 said: As he communicates through, checks notes, yes Jim fucking White . I was listening to this at the time. It’s not as bad as it seems, actually a positive step. Jim White admitted he called Moshiri. Moshiri told him he won’t be communicating via TalkSPORT anymore and Jim made out that he will be using official club channels now. Sibdane 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted January 24, 2022 Report Share Posted January 24, 2022 4 minutes ago, StevO said: I was listening to this at the time. It’s not as bad as it seems, actually a positive step. Jim White admitted he called Moshiri. Moshiri told him he won’t be communicating via TalkSPORT anymore and Jim made out that he will be using official club channels now. That’s a relief! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goodison Glory Posted January 24, 2022 Report Share Posted January 24, 2022 That's a massive step forward. Almost as if someone has told him you wouldn't run a company like that so why are you running a football club like that. Go figure! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted January 24, 2022 Report Share Posted January 24, 2022 Will believe it when I see it. Romey 1878 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shukes Posted January 24, 2022 Report Share Posted January 24, 2022 8 hours ago, StevO said: Shukes this is my favourite post you’ve ever made. Full description of how your blue tinted glasses are super glued to your eyes before claiming not to wear them. You saying I’m biased! I resent that! Hang on… your an Everton fan, so whatever you say is 100% gospel and always correct! I vote SteveO for the board…. Kick Palfy and let SteveO take his spot! StevO 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palfy Posted January 24, 2022 Report Share Posted January 24, 2022 41 minutes ago, Shukes said: You saying I’m biased! I resent that! Hang on… your an Everton fan, so whatever you say is 100% gospel and always correct! I vote SteveO for the board…. Kick Palfy and let SteveO take his spot! He’s welcome it’s a no win situation. Shukes and StevO 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shukes Posted January 24, 2022 Report Share Posted January 24, 2022 1 hour ago, Palfy said: He’s welcome it’s a no win situation. See SteveO, this is why I need you to replace Palfy… no bloody commitment. StevO and Palfy 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palfy Posted January 24, 2022 Report Share Posted January 24, 2022 51 minutes ago, Shukes said: See SteveO, this is why I need you to replace Palfy… no bloody commitment. Well you sacked me Moshukski now you look for commitment to late boss. StevO and Shukes 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted January 24, 2022 Report Share Posted January 24, 2022 1 hour ago, Shukes said: See SteveO, this is why I need you to replace Palfy… no bloody commitment. As long as me and Palfy can agree that you don’t get involved I think all will work out fine Palfy and Shukes 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanmckenzieismagic Posted January 26, 2022 Report Share Posted January 26, 2022 Fair few turned up tonight but they need to swerve vandalising the ground Matt, Romey 1878 and StevO 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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