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[Guest blueboy122]

I still want to give Lukaku the benefit of the doubt but he is poor.

 

You have to be able to do the basics and our attack broke down on several occasions today when he received the ball.

[Brett Angel]

He's god? He's done nothing.

 

We played some great stuff under Moyes. It's a complete myth we didn't. We were a top side under Moyes at times.

 

Until he gets us in the CL or a cup final he ain't even trumped Moyes. He's far from god. Fuck me. Happy with 5th

If it's the same in ten years then I'll agree.

[Paddock]

He wont get 10 years he'll have us a mid to bottom table side inside three.

 

Remember me saying this. If I'm wrong I'll gladly hold my hands up and be relentlessley slaughtered for it ut I wont because we'll be dragged down by his stubborness and unwillingnessto compromise on his philosophy.

[Romey 1878]

After reading through the last few pages of this thread I thought I was in the knee jerk reaction thread instead.

[Paddock]

After reading through the last few pages of this thread I thought I was in the knee jerk reaction thread instead.

I'm abit calmer this morning. As you can see I was bitterly disappointed after yesterday. May of been slightly over the top to be fair but a lot of what I said I stand by. 3 wins from 11 including defeat to Palace and draws with Leicester, Swansea and Sunderland is not good enough.

 

I also don't get sll this "nobody is stringing results together except Chelsea so it's ok " attitude. To me it's the perfect situation for us to do a Southampton and get ahead.

 

Martinez has made some shocking decisions this season and got plenty wrong yet no one seens to question him cos it's Bobby lad isn't it. So most blame Lukaku because he's being asked to play a role that he doesn't excel in. If you listen to most you'd think Lukaku was playing that way just because he decides to and not because Martinez is telling him to.

 

Just pisses me off the way he can do no wrong in some fans eyes yet players who play in his formations and to his asking do. The Palace game epitomises Martinez. Losing 2-1 and he takes a right back and centre half off puts 2 forwards on and drops both his holding midfielders into the 2 vacant positions. What fucking planet is he on to think that would work? Yet because it's "bobby" (I cringe when our fans call him that) then it's accepted.

[Hafnia]

In trying to be balanced I thought I would go through the Roberto Pro's and Cons thus far:-

 

Pros:-

 

• Beat United at their place for first time in how many years and took the fight to top 4 teams who Moyes bottled it against
• Brought the crowds and feel good factor back to goodison
• Finished with our highest points tally
• Trusts the younger players
  

Cons:-

 

• annoying with positivity when we have played poor
• £28m on Lukaku
• Poor pre season prep this year
• unable to get us playing to any consistent and quick tempo

 

Overall I think he's good...

[MC11]

In trying to be balanced I thought I would go through the Roberto Pro's and Cons thus far:-

 

Pros:-

 

• Beat United at their place for first time in how many years and took the fight to top 4 teams who Moyes bottled it against
• Brought the crowds and feel good factor back to goodison
• Finished with our highest points tally
• Trusts the younger players

Cons:-

• annoying with positivity when we have played poor
• £28m on Lukaku
• Poor pre season prep this year
• unable to get us playing to any consistent and quick tempo

Overall I think he's good...

I think that's a pretty balanced post and how I feel.

 

As I say I don't think he's crap. I'm just not 100% convinced he can take us into the top 4 and win us trophies. If anything he's more likely to pick the trophy up.

 

However this season we haven't got going. We haven't put a consistent run of performances together. One week we look ok the next we look out of sorts.

 

People calling him "God" that's far too early.

[Peter H]

Listen, I remember us playing 4-5-1 against stoke at home under moyes. We havnt seen out games and that's cost us but to go for bobby's neck is just pathetic.

The man is immense, some of our best football has Been under this man, not to mention some of our best goals.

I think everyone is forgetting a few days ago we taught a team in Europe a real lesson. If this was under moyes we'd have showed that team too much respect.

Do you's want us to go back to not playing from the back and just getting hibbert to float an aimless ball down the flank only to ben put under pressure again and again.

Go one up in big games and defend for our lives for the other 89 minutes.

He's god and I won't hear anything else.

Under bobby we can beat anyone because we play on the front foot.

 

I want to hug you. I hope the post wasnt ironic cause its a positive post that I agree with haha.

 

Seen some give praise to Vic here for his play with his back against the goal. I agree completly but I also remember that 80-90% of the board were happy to see him go. Especially at 6 mil. We robbed them was the general opinion. We will always find something to complain at when it comes to our strikers. Lukaku is probably the best goal scorer we have had since Yakubu was good.

 

He is still young and that is an important remark in this discussion. Im fairly sure he will score 17-20 goals this season. Not many of our top scorers have managed that over the years.

 

Edit. Here are the top scorers over the years. Lukaku is already better then Jelavic, Beckford, Fellaini, Saha, Cahill, Johnson, Campbell and Big Dunc when it comes to amount of goals scored in one season. We have to look back at Cottee, Rideout, Beardsly to find the same amount of goals in one season. (And Yakubus flash in the pan season)

 

League, Cup, Cup, Total

 

2013-14 Lukaku 15 1 0 16

Naismith 5 3 1 9

Mirallas 8 0 0 8

 

2012-13 Fellaini 11 1 0 12

Mirallas 6 1 2 9

Anichebe 6 2 1 9

 

2011-12 Jelavic 9 2 11

Anichebe 5 1 6

 

2010-11 Beckford 8 1 1 10

Saha 7 2 1 10

Cahill 9 9

 

2009-10 Saha 13 2 15

Cahill 8 1 1 10

Bilyaletdinov 6 2 1 7

Pienaar 4 3 7

 

2008-09 Cahill 8 1 9

Fellaini 8 1 9

Saha 6 2 8

 

2007-08 Yakubu 15 3 3 21

Lescott 8 2 10

Cahill 5 1 2 10

Johnson 6 4 10

 

2006-07 Johnson 11 1 12

Arteta 9 9

Cahill 5 2 7

 

2005-06 Beattie 10 1 11

EU Cahill 6 1 1 8

McFadden 6 1 7

 

2004-05 Cahill 11 1 12

Osman 6 1 7

Bent 6 1 7

 

2003-04 Rooney 9 9

Ferguson 5 2 2 9

Radzinski 8 8

 

2002-03 Campbell 11 2 13

Radzinski 11 11

Rooney 6 2 8

 

2001-02 Ferguson 6 1 1 8

Radzinski 6 1 7

Campbell 4 3 7

 

2000-01 Campbell 9 1 10

Jeffers 6 1 7

Ferguson 6 6

Unsworth 5 5

 

1999-2k Campbell 12 12

Barmby 9 1 10

Unsworth 6 3 9

Moore 6 2 8

 

1998-99 Campbell 9 9

Jeffers 6 1 7

Bakayoko 4 1 2 7

 

1997-98 Ferguson 11 11

Madar 6 6

Speed 6 6

 

1996-97 Ferguson 10 1 11

Speed 9 1 1 11

Kanchelskis 4 1 1 6

 

1995-96 Kanchelskis 16 16

FACS EU Stuart 9 3 1 1 14

Amokachi 6 1 1 8

 

1994-95 Rideout 14 2 16

FACW Ferguson 7 1 8

 

1993-94 Cottee 16 3 19

Rideout 6 2 4 12

 

1992-93 Cottee 12 1 13

Beardsley 10 2 12

 

1991-92 Beardsley 15 1 3 1 20

Cottee 8 1 1 10

 

1990-91 Cottee 10 2 4 8 24

Nevin 8 1 9

Edited November 10, 2014 by Peter H

[Brett Angel]

 

I want to hug you. I hope the post wasnt ironic cause its a positive post that I agree with haha.

 

Seen some give praise to Vic here for his play with his back against the goal. I agree completly but I also remember that 80-90% of the board were happy to see him go. Especially at 6 mil. We robbed them was the general opinion. We will always find something to complain at when it comes to our strikers. Lukaku is probably the best goal scorer we have had since Yakubu was good.

 

He is still young and that is an important remark in this discussion. Im fairly sure he will score 17-20 goals this season. Not many of our top scorers have managed that over the years.

 

Edit. Here are the top scorers over the years. Lukaku is already better then Jelavic, Beckford, Fellaini, Saha, Cahill, Johnson, Campbell and Big Dunc when it comes to amount of goals scored in one season. We have to look back at Cottee, Rideout, Beardsly to find the same amount of goals in one season. (And Yakubus flash in the pan season)

 

League, Cup, Cup, Total

 

2013-14 Lukaku 15 1 0 16

Naismith 5 3 1 9

Mirallas 8 0 0 8

 

2012-13 Fellaini 11 1 0 12

Mirallas 6 1 2 9

Anichebe 6 2 1 9

 

2011-12 Jelavic 9 2 11

Anichebe 5 1 6

 

2010-11 Beckford 8 1 1 10

Saha 7 2 1 10

Cahill 9 9

 

2009-10 Saha 13 2 15

Cahill 8 1 1 10

Bilyaletdinov 6 2 1 7

Pienaar 4 3 7

 

2008-09 Cahill 8 1 9

Fellaini 8 1 9

Saha 6 2 8

 

2007-08 Yakubu 15 3 3 21

Lescott 8 2 10

Cahill 5 1 2 10

Johnson 6 4 10

 

2006-07 Johnson 11 1 12

Arteta 9 9

Cahill 5 2 7

 

2005-06 Beattie 10 1 11

EU Cahill 6 1 1 8

McFadden 6 1 7

 

2004-05 Cahill 11 1 12

Osman 6 1 7

Bent 6 1 7

 

2003-04 Rooney 9 9

Ferguson 5 2 2 9

Radzinski 8 8

 

2002-03 Campbell 11 2 13

Radzinski 11 11

Rooney 6 2 8

 

2001-02 Ferguson 6 1 1 8

Radzinski 6 1 7

Campbell 4 3 7

 

2000-01 Campbell 9 1 10

Jeffers 6 1 7

Ferguson 6 6

Unsworth 5 5

 

1999-2k Campbell 12 12

Barmby 9 1 10

Unsworth 6 3 9

Moore 6 2 8

 

1998-99 Campbell 9 9

Jeffers 6 1 7

Bakayoko 4 1 2 7

 

1997-98 Ferguson 11 11

Madar 6 6

Speed 6 6

 

1996-97 Ferguson 10 1 11

Speed 9 1 1 11

Kanchelskis 4 1 1 6

 

1995-96 Kanchelskis 16 16

FACS EU Stuart 9 3 1 1 14

Amokachi 6 1 1 8

 

1994-95 Rideout 14 2 16

FACW Ferguson 7 1 8

 

1993-94 Cottee 16 3 19

Rideout 6 2 4 12

 

1992-93 Cottee 12 1 13

Beardsley 10 2 12

 

1991-92 Beardsley 15 1 3 1 20

Cottee 8 1 1 10

 

1990-91 Cottee 10 2 4 8 24

Nevin 8 1 9

 

why thankyou peter. its the bipolar. its a good day.

[Bailey]

After reading through the last few pages of this thread I thought I was in the knee jerk reaction thread instead.

Unbelievable isn't it.

[markjazzbassist]

Unbelievable isn't it.

 

yeah we have some people upset over the draw (understandable) and some already packing it in for the season. we've still got 2/3 of a season to play and are top of the europa group and are playing our best football at the europa. too early to doom and gloom me think

[Bailey]

yeah we have some people upset over the draw (understandable) and some already packing it in for the season. we've still got 2/3 of a season to play and are top of the europa group and are playing our best football at the europa. too early to doom and gloom me think

If we didn't look like winning these games I would understand but it's far different. We have dropped points we shouldn't have but it's not like we haven't given ourselves the platform to win these game. Some of the crap on here atm is unbelievable and will no doubt be the way on here every time we don't win at this rate.

[Paddock]

If we didn't look like winning these games I would understand but it's far different. We have dropped points we shouldn't have but it's not like we haven't given ourselves the platform to win these game. Some of the crap on here atm is unbelievable and will no doubt be the way on here every time we don't win at this rate.

It'snothing to do with not winning the games for me (I'm assuming it's my crap you're talking about) it's the fact that Martinez is always absolved of blame by a section of our fans. Nobody ever mentions anything that goes wrong is his doing it's always "Lukakus a lump of shit " or "mcgeady is bollocks" or whatever and then when anyone dares mention that a lot of this is Martinez fault everyone is up in arms.

 

Fact is, from our pre season to his signings, to the way he sets us up for games to his subs all the way to his eternally positive comments he is responsible for 90% of it yet no one will have it.

 

Did you see his comments yesterday after the game? We controlled the game, he was delighted how positive we were after the goal.... We were utter liquid dog shit Bailey we absolutely were.

[Brett Angel]

My concern is not with everton as a team but individual performances which, if nipped in the bud, would take us to the next level. Get rid of big dunc. No more nostalgia at the club. Bobby should only have good footballers around him. Dunc was a beast and an icon but I don't think he could teach Eto'o anything on the training pitch. He could teach Rom to stand up for himself on the pitch instead of being a maggot but it doesn't look like he has.

[Hafnia]

 

I want to hug you. I hope the post wasnt ironic cause its a positive post that I agree with haha.

 

Seen some give praise to Vic here for his play with his back against the goal. I agree completly but I also remember that 80-90% of the board were happy to see him go. Especially at 6 mil. We robbed them was the general opinion. We will always find something to complain at when it comes to our strikers. Lukaku is probably the best goal scorer we have had since Yakubu was good.

 

He is still young and that is an important remark in this discussion. Im fairly sure he will score 17-20 goals this season. Not many of our top scorers have managed that over the years.

 

Edit. Here are the top scorers over the years. Lukaku is already better then Jelavic, Beckford, Fellaini, Saha, Cahill, Johnson, Campbell and Big Dunc when it comes to amount of goals scored in one season. We have to look back at Cottee, Rideout, Beardsly to find the same amount of goals in one season. (And Yakubus flash in the pan season)

 

League, Cup, Cup, Total

 

2013-14 Lukaku 15 1 0 16

Naismith 5 3 1 9

Mirallas 8 0 0 8

 

2012-13 Fellaini 11 1 0 12

Mirallas 6 1 2 9

Anichebe 6 2 1 9

 

2011-12 Jelavic 9 2 11

Anichebe 5 1 6

 

2010-11 Beckford 8 1 1 10

Saha 7 2 1 10

Cahill 9 9

 

2009-10 Saha 13 2 15

Cahill 8 1 1 10

Bilyaletdinov 6 2 1 7

Pienaar 4 3 7

 

2008-09 Cahill 8 1 9

Fellaini 8 1 9

Saha 6 2 8

 

2007-08 Yakubu 15 3 3 21

Lescott 8 2 10

Cahill 5 1 2 10

Johnson 6 4 10

 

2006-07 Johnson 11 1 12

Arteta 9 9

Cahill 5 2 7

 

2005-06 Beattie 10 1 11

EU Cahill 6 1 1 8

McFadden 6 1 7

 

2004-05 Cahill 11 1 12

Osman 6 1 7

Bent 6 1 7

 

2003-04 Rooney 9 9

Ferguson 5 2 2 9

Radzinski 8 8

 

2002-03 Campbell 11 2 13

Radzinski 11 11

Rooney 6 2 8

 

2001-02 Ferguson 6 1 1 8

Radzinski 6 1 7

Campbell 4 3 7

 

2000-01 Campbell 9 1 10

Jeffers 6 1 7

Ferguson 6 6

Unsworth 5 5

 

1999-2k Campbell 12 12

Barmby 9 1 10

Unsworth 6 3 9

Moore 6 2 8

 

1998-99 Campbell 9 9

Jeffers 6 1 7

Bakayoko 4 1 2 7

 

1997-98 Ferguson 11 11

Madar 6 6

Speed 6 6

 

1996-97 Ferguson 10 1 11

Speed 9 1 1 11

Kanchelskis 4 1 1 6

 

1995-96 Kanchelskis 16 16

FACS EU Stuart 9 3 1 1 14

Amokachi 6 1 1 8

 

1994-95 Rideout 14 2 16

FACW Ferguson 7 1 8

 

1993-94 Cottee 16 3 19

Rideout 6 2 4 12

 

1992-93 Cottee 12 1 13

Beardsley 10 2 12

 

1991-92 Beardsley 15 1 3 1 20

Cottee 8 1 1 10

 

1990-91 Cottee 10 2 4 8 24

Nevin 8 1 9

 

I don't think many fans are going to be shouting from the roof tops about getting £6m for Vic to be honest. Not when we spent an extra £22m on Rom.

 

Rom only cost a few million less than Diego Costa. Before anyone says that Rom will be worth £28m then please really consider why will he be worth that.

 

As i've said before i've never seen a professional player so highly touted with such a high difference between good and bad - its like watching a conference player at times.

 

Development wise he has far more to go than Mo Besic who seems to attract conservative comments despite costing a pittance in comparison. IF he does become the player that many hope or think then £28m will be well spent, but I don't think he is near that yet.

[MC11]

I want to hug you. I hope the post wasnt ironic cause its a positive post that I agree with haha.

 

Seen some give praise to Vic here for his play with his back against the goal. I agree completly but I also remember that 80-90% of the board were happy to see him go. Especially at 6 mil. We robbed them was the general opinion. We will always find something to complain at when it comes to our strikers. Lukaku is probably the best goal scorer we have had since Yakubu was good.

 

He is still young and that is an important remark in this discussion. Im fairly sure he will score 17-20 goals this season. Not many of our top scorers have managed that over the years.

 

Edit. Here are the top scorers over the years. Lukaku is already better then Jelavic, Beckford, Fellaini, Saha, Cahill, Johnson, Campbell and Big Dunc when it comes to amount of goals scored in one season. We have to look back at Cottee, Rideout, Beardsly to find the same amount of goals in one season. (And Yakubus flash in the pan season)

 

League, Cup, Cup, Total

 

2013-14 Lukaku 15 1 0 16

Naismith 5 3 1 9

Mirallas 8 0 0 82012-13 Fellaini 11 1 0 12

Mirallas 6 1 2 9

Anichebe 6 2 1 92011-12 Jelavic 9 2 11

Anichebe 5 1 62010-11 Beckford 8 1 1 10

Saha 7 2 1 10

Cahill 9 92009-10 Saha 13 2 15

Cahill 8 1 1 10

Bilyaletdinov 6 2 1 7

Pienaar 4 3 7

2008-09 Cahill 8 1 9

Fellaini 8 1 9

Saha 6 2 82007-08 Yakubu 15 3 3 21

Lescott 8 2 10

Cahill 5 1 2 10

Johnson 6 4 102006-07 Johnson 11 1 12

Arteta 9 9

Cahill 5 2 72005-06 Beattie 10 1 11EU Cahill 6 1 1 8

McFadden 6 1 72004-05 Cahill 11 1 12

Osman 6 1 7

Bent 6 1 72003-04 Rooney 9 9

Ferguson 5 2 2 9

Radzinski 8 82002-03 Campbell 11 2 13

Radzinski 11 11

Rooney 6 2 82001-02 Ferguson 6 1 1 8

Radzinski 6 1 7

Campbell 4 3 72000-01 Campbell 9 1 10Jeffers 6 1 7Ferguson 6 6

Unsworth 5 51999-2k Campbell 12 12Barmby 9 1 10Unsworth 6 3 9

Moore 6 2 81998-99 Campbell 9 9Jeffers 6 1 7Bakayoko 4 1 2 71997-98 Ferguson 11 11Madar 6 6Speed 6 61996-97 Ferguson 10 1 11Speed 9 1 1 11

Kanchelskis 4 1 1 61995-96 Kanchelskis 16 16FACS EU Stuart 9 3 1 1 14

Amokachi 6 1 1 81994-95 Rideout 14 2 16FACW Ferguson 7 1 81993-94 Cottee 16 3 19Rideout 6 2 4 121992-93 Cottee 12 1 13Beardsley 10 2 121991-92 Beardsley 15 1 3 1 20Cottee 8 1 1 101990-91 Cottee 10 2 4 8 24Nevin 8 1 9

This just further cements that the 07/08 squad was the best in recent seasons. We were brilliant that season, playing a lot of games.

 

5th place finish

Last 16 of Uefa Cup

Semi final League Cup.

 

2 players on 10 goals.

 

Yakubu on 21

Edited November 10, 2014 by MC11

[Hafnia]

My concern is not with everton as a team but individual performances which, if nipped in the bud, would take us to the next level. Get rid of big dunc. No more nostalgia at the club. Bobby should only have good footballers around him. Dunc was a beast and an icon but I don't think he could teach Eto'o anything on the training pitch. He could teach Rom to stand up for himself on the pitch instead of being a maggot but it doesn't look like he has.

 

Big Dunc gets Everton, as far as talent goes he was highly under rated. Why get rid?

[MC11]

Big Dunc gets Everton, as far as talent goes he was highly under rated. Why get rid?

He wasn't a great footballer let's be honest. Fairly decent for a big man with the ball at his feet but a lot of it was brute force. Think what Brett's saying is the calibre of player we're looking to bring in wont learn much from him. A big guy like Lukaku could though because Ferguson was half decent at what he's shite at.

Edited November 10, 2014 by MC11

[seve]

WOT REALY ANNOYS ME IS WHEN THE RED SHITE SLIP UP WE NEVER TAKE ADVANTAGE,ITS LIKE WE FEEL SORRY FOR THEM INSTEAD OF LEAVING THEM A LONG WAY BEHIND.

AS FOR PLAYING WELL IN EUROPE WAIT TILL AFTER XMASS APART FROM THE RED SHITE THERE WILL BE SOME VERY GOOD SIDES DROPING INTO THE EUROPA LEAGUE.

AS FOR THE FORM THIS SEASON THERE IS ONLY EVER HALF THE TEAM THAT TURNS UP, EVERY WEEK 3 OR 4 OF THE TEAM HAS A NIGHT MARE.

THATS DOWN TO RM THERES NO ROOM FOR SENTIMENT IN FOOTBALL IF SOMEONES PLAYING BAD PLAY SOMEONE ELSE, I DONT THINK RM CAN DO THAT.

AS FOR GET OF DUNC YOU WANT TO LOOSE THE PASSION AS WELL?.

[Brett Angel]

WOT REALY ANNOYS ME IS WHEN THE RED SHITE SLIP UP WE NEVER TAKE ADVANTAGE,ITS LIKE WE FEEL SORRY FOR THEM INSTEAD OF LEAVING THEM A LONG WAY BEHIND.

AS FOR PLAYING WELL IN EUROPE WAIT TILL AFTER XMASS APART FROM THE RED SHITE THERE WILL BE SOME VERY GOOD SIDES DROPING INTO THE EUROPA LEAGUE.

AS FOR THE FORM THIS SEASON THERE IS ONLY EVER HALF THE TEAM THAT TURNS UP, EVERY WEEK 3 OR 4 OF THE TEAM HAS A NIGHT MARE.

THATS DOWN TO RM THERES NO ROOM FOR SENTIMENT IN FOOTBALL IF SOMEONES PLAYING BAD PLAY SOMEONE ELSE, I DONT THINK RM CAN DO THAT.

AS FOR GET OF DUNC YOU WANT TO LOOSE THE PASSION AS WELL?.

Ohhhhh that all important passion. It's not a Romcom fella it's a football match. Passion went straight out the window when we were overrun with foreigners in the EPL.

Passion doesn't win you titles. City won the league last year, not because of passion cause they have showed that there all individuals this season but due to quality players nd quality backing staff educating them in the training pitch week in week out.

I love dunc like the next blue nose but I'm getting a funny feeling that bobby thinks nostalgia breeds success. Dunc, Stubbs, hibbert, umbro of 95, same design kit as 95 fa cup home strip.

[seve]

TAKE PASSION OUT OF FOOTBALL THERE IS NOTHING LEFT I THINK AGUIERO SHOWED PLENTY OF PASSION WHEN HE BUST A GUT TO SCORE THE WINNER TO WIN THE LEAGUE

HE SHOWED A BIT ON SATURDAY TEA TIME AS WELL WITH HIS BRACE WITHOUT PASSION YOU HAVE AN ORDINARY PLAYER.

WE NEED RM TO SHOW SOME STEEL.

[Brett Angel]

TAKE PASSION OUT OF FOOTBALL THERE IS NOTHING LEFT I THINK AGUIERO SHOWED PLENTY OF PASSION WHEN HE BUST A GUT TO SCORE THE WINNER TO WIN THE LEAGUE

HE SHOWED A BIT ON SATURDAY TEA TIME AS WELL WITH HIS BRACE WITHOUT PASSION YOU HAVE AN ORDINARY PLAYER.

WE NEED RM TO SHOW SOME STEEL.

You's lot have one of the best tactically minded footballers, sure to be one of the greatest managers and yous would be happier with a pathetic Nob like Warnock just cause he pisses and moans shouts at his players and complains 24/7.

You lot amaze me. Yous don't deserve success. (This is for the only people questioning the god with the brown shoes)

[seve]

You's lot have one of the best tactically minded footballers, sure to be one of the greatest managers and yous would be happier with a pathetic Nob like Warnock just cause he pisses and moans shouts at his players and complains 24/7.

You lot amaze me. Yous don't deserve success. (This is for the only people questioning the god with the brown shoes)

son of bob speaks (but only for himself)

I love the way you pick the worse manager in the league for your quote.

[Matt]

Aaaaaand the price tag is being bandied about again

 

Still no criticism of the other players who failed to deliver? Wheres the fun in that, its easier to regurgitate (incorrect) facts about Lukaku.

 

Peter, don't bother bringing facts and figures to the debate, they apparently carry no weight. People would rather relentlessly criticize a young, developing footballer who wasn't even the worst player on the pitch...

[Brett Angel]

Aaaaaand the price tag is being bandied about again

 

Still no criticism of the other players who failed to deliver? Wheres the fun in that, its easier to regurgitate (incorrect) facts about Lukaku.

 

Peter, don't bother bringing facts and figures to the debate, they apparently carry no weight. People would rather relentlessly criticize a young, developing footballer who wasn't even the worst player on the pitch...

Who was?

[gethinO]

Things aren't as bad as people make out on here. Haven't had the best start but I'm still confident we'll come good. As Brett said, we could be still be playing under Moyes's defensive philosiphy. Still won't forgive him for his tactics against the Shite in the FA Cup semi final after going 1-0 up. Take 10 steps back and panic, show them so much respect and let them 2-1. Embarrassing!

Edited November 10, 2014 by Geth

[Bailey]

It'snothing to do with not winning the games for me (I'm assuming it's my crap you're talking about) it's the fact that Martinez is always absolved of blame by a section of our fans. Nobody ever mentions anything that goes wrong is his doing it's always "Lukakus a lump of shit " or "mcgeady is bollocks" or whatever and then when anyone dares mention that a lot of this is Martinez fault everyone is up in arms.

 

Fact is, from our pre season to his signings, to the way he sets us up for games to his subs all the way to his eternally positive comments he is responsible for 90% of it yet no one will have it.

 

Did you see his comments yesterday after the game? We controlled the game, he was delighted how positive we were after the goal.... We were utter liquid dog shit Bailey we absolutely were.

 

Well tbh its the only time you kick up a stink about Martinez!

 

You say he is responsible for this that and the other but you also have to consider the options he has. Pre-season was poor, we were never at the races and maybe that did have a knock on effect to the players, but we played very well first half against Leicester, we controlled Arsenal for the majority of the game and we played really well given the circumstances against Chelsea. I would agree that we should have done things differently in those games, especially in regards to substitutions but that isnt enough to say he is a farce or was lucky last season or all the other rubbish that is being mentioned.

 

I also don't care 2 hoots about what is said in the media. I expect that like 99% of other managers, what is said to the press is far from what gets said behind closed doors. I would be far more pissed off if he was critising players in public because that does absolutely nothing for anyone. Completely agree that we were crap and very flat. No pace in our play whatsoever but we did pretty much control the game and us controlling the game is the influence he has from the sidelines. We know we can pop it about but if the players arent doing it then there is fuck all he can do bar a sub here and there. I saw exactly the same with Moyes too. Sometimes we just never moved the ball quick enough and didnt penetrate enough but its not like we played badly. Its not like we waived the white flag, its not like the players crumbled or didnt give a toss.

[Shukes]

I am critical of Martinez just as much as I am about Lukaku playing shit or Mcgeady giving easy passes away.

 

If people deserve criticism then as fans we have a right to state it.

 

Sunday,

Lukaku was shit, simple. If he was being played in a position he doesn't like...Then grow a pair and put in a shift, then speak with the boss.

 

Barkley had a gew moments when he seemed to wake up, but also went to sleep through big parts of the game. Time you stepped up Ross.

 

Martinez, takes the biggest threat off the pitch and we snatch a draw? And when we needed energy, he brings on Ossie.

 

Nothing wrong with criticising people when it's deserving.

[MC11]

Well tbh its the only time you kick up a stink about Martinez!

 

You say he is responsible for this that and the other but you also have to consider the options he has. Pre-season was poor, we were never at the races and maybe that did have a knock on effect to the players, but we played very well first half against Leicester, we controlled Arsenal for the majority of the game and we played really well given the circumstances against Chelsea. I would agree that we should have done things differently in those games, especially in regards to substitutions but that isnt enough to say he is a farce or was lucky last season or all the other rubbish that is being mentioned.

 

I also don't care 2 hoots about what is said in the media. I expect that like 99% of other managers, what is said to the press is far from what gets said behind closed doors. I would be far more pissed off if he was critising players in public because that does absolutely nothing for anyone. Completely agree that we were crap and very flat. No pace in our play whatsoever but we did pretty much control the game and us controlling the game is the influence he has from the sidelines. We know we can pop it about but if the players arent doing it then there is fuck all he can do bar a sub here and there. I saw exactly the same with Moyes too. Sometimes we just never moved the ball quick enough and didnt penetrate enough but its not like we played badly. Its not like we waived the white flag, its not like the players crumbled or didnt give a toss.

 

Why would he kick up a stinker when we win? It's bad enough on here saying anything negative when we lose.

[Blue4Ever]

My concern is not with everton as a team but individual performances which, if nipped in the bud, would take us to the next level. Get rid of big dunc. No more nostalgia at the club. Bobby should only have good footballers around him. Dunc was a beast and an icon but I don't think he could teach Eto'o anything on the training pitch. He could teach Rom to stand up for himself on the pitch instead of being a maggot but it doesn't look like he has.

bad shout that