Lowensda Posted September 2, 2011 Report Share Posted September 2, 2011 Point 1 - not naive nor blinded J, it was a business decision - and one that was agreed by Moyes. Did I not make that clear? He was on a long term contract - or do we just give £15m+ deals to players on the understanding that when they decide to be ambitous we will sell them? Point 2 - whilst a £24m "unconfirmed" operating cost is a major factor in our finances and relevant to the blue union thread I will repeat it as I find appropriate. Is it inadmissable? or does it put you in a bad place that makes you uncomfortable? It's not being manipulated - you maybe would prefer it to be ignored? Dude, if a player wants to leave. Sell them. There's thousands of Spurs fans who wanted Modric gone because of the way he's been. If Arteta wanted to leave, so be it. Arteta got what he wanted, and the banks got their money. Win/Win. Honestly, don't kid yourself and base every decision as a money one. I agree it helped us in that way but he's openly said that it was for him and his family. It wasn't however a purely business decision. I know its unaccountable. We know its been unaccounted for. Everyone knows its been unaccounted for. It's like me going into the line-up thread and stating the way we play is significantly down to the fact Kenwright doesn't know where this 24m has gone. Look im not pro Bill nor am I anti. He's done good things. He's done silly things. But whining about it gets us nowhere. The more hot air people vent without actually doing anything about it, the more pissed off I and many others (Marco, Matt, Mike (sorry to use you guys)) get because it blocks up the site. As i say, i've registered that its happened. But what can we do about it? BlueUnion are doing their thing and some things have a point, others not. Repeating something a million times won't change what's happened?????? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted September 2, 2011 Report Share Posted September 2, 2011 Interesting point you raised there Matt, champions league. We did qualify for that a few years back, one game away from securing a £20m jackpot - the compound benefits of which could have turned our fortunes fantastically. Did Moyes receive any backing to have a real go at them? Missed opportunity for me. So then blame Collina. He is the one who prevented us qualifying. If we had spent all that money and still had the goal disallowed we wouldve been in deeper shit than we already are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTK Posted September 2, 2011 Report Share Posted September 2, 2011 It's not unaccountable, they just don't want you to know what's in it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted September 2, 2011 Report Share Posted September 2, 2011 Point 2 - whilst a £24m "unconfirmed" operating cost is a major factor in our finances and relevant to the blue union thread I will repeat it as I find appropriate. Is it inadmissable? or does it put you in a bad place that makes you uncomfortable? It's not being manipulated - you maybe would prefer it to be ignored? Took me a while to find this because I saw it while I was away....and I noticed you didn't comment on it at the time...just interested what you think of what Louis said a couple of weeks back... "I don't think this "Other Operating Costs" is that bad to be honest. People go on about it, but it's not really a problem. Obviously Bill Kenwright will know the big ones, such as Finch Farm, travel expenses such as flights, coaches, trains, hotel stays etc. I just think the technical header threw him off." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted September 2, 2011 Report Share Posted September 2, 2011 Took me a while to find this because I saw it while I was away....and I noticed you didn't comment on it at the time...just interested what you think of what Louis said a couple of weeks back... "I don't think this "Other Operating Costs" is that bad to be honest. People go on about it, but it's not really a problem. Obviously Bill Kenwright will know the big ones, such as Finch Farm, travel expenses such as flights, coaches, trains, hotel stays etc. I just think the technical header threw him off." How did I miss that - classic. I heard Bill thought it was the cost of getting Arteta's knee sorted - "damn Richard Steadman" he was heard to say in the hidden tape recording Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted September 2, 2011 Report Share Posted September 2, 2011 Took me a while to find this because I saw it while I was away....and I noticed you didn't comment on it at the time...just interested what you think of what Louis said a couple of weeks back... "I don't think this "Other Operating Costs" is that bad to be honest. People go on about it, but it's not really a problem. Obviously Bill Kenwright will know the big ones, such as Finch Farm, travel expenses such as flights, coaches, trains, hotel stays etc. I just think the technical header threw him off." travel and hotels could easily rack up in the millions over the space of a year with the traveling that goes on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcopaulo Posted September 2, 2011 Report Share Posted September 2, 2011 make the cunts stay in a hostel then Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted September 2, 2011 Report Share Posted September 2, 2011 Marco, ever studied Shakespear? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcopaulo Posted September 2, 2011 Report Share Posted September 2, 2011 have i fuck had to read one of them at high school..might have been 2 actually..bored the fuckin ring piece off me..romeo and juliet was horse shit..a woman wouldn't do that she'd just nob off and have it away with someone else Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowensda Posted September 2, 2011 Report Share Posted September 2, 2011 have i fuck had to read one of them at high school..might have been 2 actually..bored the fuckin ring piece off me..romeo and juliet was horse shit..a woman wouldn't do that she'd just nob off and have it away with someone else Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted September 2, 2011 Report Share Posted September 2, 2011 "Marco, Marco, where for art thou Marco" "'aving a shit bitch, cant you leave me alone for 5 fuckin minutes so i can take a fuckin dump in peace? Fuckin hell. Cunt." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowensda Posted September 2, 2011 Report Share Posted September 2, 2011 "Marco, Marco, where for art thou Marco" "'aving a shit bitch, cant you leave me alone for 5 fuckin minutes so i can take a fuckin dump in peace? Fuckin hell. Cunt." I really want either Marco to rewrite Shakespeare in his perferred tongue or for Matt to write it on his behalf. please. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted September 2, 2011 Report Share Posted September 2, 2011 its hard to be on TT at work in secret when people can hear laughter coming from my office. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted September 2, 2011 Report Share Posted September 2, 2011 I've just gone from wanting to rip my eyes out reading the same arguments to laughing my tits off. TT, this is why I love you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcopaulo Posted September 2, 2011 Report Share Posted September 2, 2011 I really want either Marco to rewrite Shakespeare in his perferred tongue or for Matt to write it on his behalf. please. haha it wouldn't be funny trust me..i'm ok in small doses..people get fed up of my whingin after 5 mins Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blueherts Posted September 2, 2011 Report Share Posted September 2, 2011 Where exactly can i buy one of these blue onions? I can only find red ones in tesco's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcopaulo Posted September 2, 2011 Report Share Posted September 2, 2011 (edited) I really want either Marco to rewrite Shakespeare in his perferred tongue or for Matt to write it on his behalf. please. actually thinkin about..matt you fancy goin in halves on a shakespeare re-write? Edited September 2, 2011 by marcopaulo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted September 2, 2011 Report Share Posted September 2, 2011 actually thinkin about..matt you fancy goin in halves on a shakespeare re-write? was actually looking up some famous dialogues to rewrite in Marcospeare Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimonButtle Posted September 3, 2011 Report Share Posted September 3, 2011 sounds like their meeting today is packed out, people waiting outside because they cant get in, apparently SSN are there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted September 3, 2011 Report Share Posted September 3, 2011 sounds like their meeting today is packed out, people waiting outside because they cant get in, apparently SSN are there Would that be a small minority waiting outside by any chance? At least it's too early for mr Ross to label them as drunken Neanderthals.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noble Savage Posted September 3, 2011 Report Share Posted September 3, 2011 They are talking about a protest march of some sort next weekend. Not sure if it's going to do any good but I suppose they are being pro-active. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avinalaff Posted September 3, 2011 Report Share Posted September 3, 2011 (edited) make the cunts stay in a hostel then That's a bit cruel innit ? Edited September 3, 2011 by Avinalaff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted September 3, 2011 Report Share Posted September 3, 2011 They are talking about a protest march of some sort next weekend. Not sure if it's going to do any good but I suppose they are being pro-active. As long as it stays peaceful and no violence breaks out I'm fine with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avinalaff Posted September 3, 2011 Report Share Posted September 3, 2011 Exactly what will they be protesting about? The club having no money? - yeah, that could work. If the club need money, tell it to get a job. Seriously though, protesting won't change our bank balance. Kenwright out? - yeah, that could work too. Why not tell the captain of the aeroplane to press the eject button? Have they noticed we don't have any one else to fly the plane? Has recent events helped the club? No, it hasn't. Will a protest help the club? No, it won't. Change what you can't accept, and accept what you can't change. During these difficult times, the club would benefit better by fans showing continued support, and possibly helping to sell the club by positive means, rather than negative. Who wants to buy a struggling club, in the height of a recession, in a money losing business, and inherit a load of demanding insensitive fans in the package? Rather than have Kenwright out' banners, why not raise banners that will attract potential investors? If you ask me, there's simply not enough naked cheerleaders at half time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted September 3, 2011 Report Share Posted September 3, 2011 I like the idea of telling the club to get a job. Made me chuckle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scouse Posted September 3, 2011 Report Share Posted September 3, 2011 I like the idea of telling the club to get a job. Made me chuckle. preffered the naked cheerleaders myself, would increase ticket sales. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted September 3, 2011 Report Share Posted September 3, 2011 Exactly what will they be protesting about? The club having no money? - yeah, that could work. If the club need money, tell it to get a job. Seriously though, protesting won't change our bank balance. Kenwright out? - yeah, that could work too. Why not tell the captain of the aeroplane to press the eject button? Have they noticed we don't have any one else to fly the plane? Has recent events helped the club? No, it hasn't. Will a protest help the club? No, it won't. Change what you can't accept, and accept what you can't change. During these difficult times, the club would benefit better by fans showing continued support, and possibly helping to sell the club by positive means, rather than negative. Who wants to buy a struggling club, in the height of a recession, in a money losing business, and inherit a load of demanding insensitive fans in the package? Rather than have Kenwright out' banners, why not raise banners that will attract potential investors? If you ask me, there's simply not enough naked cheerleaders at half time. I was all ready to bypass this thread until this post and I just couldnt help myself! Things can change and they have done at other clubs. Im glad supporters are out there fighting to change the future of this club for the better, because undeniably we are on a downward path at the moment that could get drastically steeper if we are not careful. Just sitting back and not doing anything is worse. You only have to look at the Kirkby disaster to realise than fan groups make a difference, and KEIOC did a brilliant job of enlightening fans about the real facts of the 'virtually free' stadium. The fans will always show support to the players, and if they come out and play like they can then Goodison will be rocking. However, there is no way I could continue to back the board given the lack of planning and foresight they have shown. On the otherhand though, I am fully behind the naked cheerleaders idea! haha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted September 3, 2011 Report Share Posted September 3, 2011 I was all ready to bypass this thread until this post and I just couldnt help myself! Things can change and they have done at other clubs. Im glad supporters are out there fighting to change the future of this club for the better, because undeniably we are on a downward path at the moment that could get drastically steeper if we are not careful. Just sitting back and not doing anything is worse. You only have to look at the Kirkby disaster to realise than fan groups make a difference, and KEIOC did a brilliant job of enlightening fans about the real facts of the 'virtually free' stadium. The fans will always show support to the players, and if they come out and play like they can then Goodison will be rocking. However, there is no way I could continue to back the board given the lack of planning and foresight they have shown. On the otherhand though, I am fully behind the naked cheerleaders idea! haha Thanks - saved me going through ahhhhhh lets forget it, you saved me listening to frank sinatra, happy place................................................. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avinalaff Posted September 4, 2011 Report Share Posted September 4, 2011 Do you know how many football clubs have entered administration? Charlton 1984 Middlesbrough 1986 Tranmere 1987 Newport County 1989 Walsall 1990 Northampton 1992 Kettering 1992 Aldershot 1992 Maidstone 1992 Hartlepool 1994 Barnet 1994 Exeter 1994, 2003 Gillingham 1995 Doncaster 1997 Millwall 1997 Bournemouth 1997, 2008 Darlington 1997, 2009 Chester 1998, 2009 Hereford 1998 Portsmouth 1999, 2010 Crystal Palace 1999, 2010 Oxford Utd 1999 Barrow 1999 Swindon 2000, 2002 Scarborough 2000 Hull 2001 QPR 2001 Chesterfield 2001 Leicester 2002 Barnsley 2002 Carlisle 2002 Notts County 2002 Bury 2002 Bradford 2002 Port Vale 2002 Lincoln City 2002 Swansea City 2002 York 2002 Halifax Town 2002, 2008 Derby 2003 Ipswich 2003 Huddersfield 2003 Oldham 2003 MK Dons 2003 Wimbledon 2003 Wrexham 2004 Cambridge 2005 Crawley Town 2006 Rotherham 2006, 2008 Leeds United 2007 Boston United 2007 Southampton 2008 Luton 2008 Stockport 2009 Salisbury 2009 The list is over 12 months old, so it's possible other clubs may now be on it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avinalaff Posted September 4, 2011 Report Share Posted September 4, 2011 This spread sheet is interesting too: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Akh8t7U1Ir8idHN5UndNUlFWeG1XQkNkWDRvM19aT2c&hl=en#gid=0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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