Matt Posted January 5, 2015 Report Share Posted January 5, 2015 Interesting debate this. Basically my two cents is this. He's 22 in May. Sit the lad down. Explain that he is Evertons future Number 1 left back. Sign a contract and he will play in cup games and get at least 20 minutes in most fixtures. Within 1 year he will be expected to be challenging Baines for the first team spot. If this doesn't happen we will sell him at an agreed price. He can't ask for much fairer agreed, but can't see us selling Baines. That would be a massive mistake. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForEverton2 Posted January 5, 2015 Report Share Posted January 5, 2015 Or here's a left field suggestion...... Sell Baines for £12m+ - someone will deffo pay that, Spurs, Arsenal, City. Put that money into a class centre half. Oviedo can cover at Left back. I could see that, but then again does Everton want to give away the best left back in Europe :dont know: ?? Putting Oviedo into the mix I wonder where that leaves Garbutt then. Oviedo plays left outside mid, and Garbutt is Everton's future Leftback. or vice-versa. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter H Posted January 5, 2015 Report Share Posted January 5, 2015 I was thinking of Besic, not Barry. He's brought in and then we convert a LB to play where he does. Great confidence boost for the lad. I dont think Besic has shown enough yet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted January 5, 2015 Report Share Posted January 5, 2015 I dont think Besic has shown enough yet It'd still send a bad message to Besic, IMO. Let's forget you've marked Messi and Bale out of games, and looked better each time you've played for us, you're going to have to sit on the bench while we convert a LB coming into his last few years at the top into a midfielder... Yeah, I see that going down a treat! Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shukes Posted January 5, 2015 Report Share Posted January 5, 2015 To be fair wasn't Besic MoM on here for a few of his recent matches. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted January 5, 2015 Report Share Posted January 5, 2015 To be fair wasn't Besic MoM on here for a few of his recent matches. Four consecutive; I think he's shown plenty personally. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter H Posted January 5, 2015 Report Share Posted January 5, 2015 I have big hopes for Besic, you can see that there is a great footballer in him. I guess i have bigger hopes for him. Romey, I do see your point but Besic cant offer the same set of skills as Baines. He does not have the eye for that breaking ball. One of Baines best skills. And lets face it RM would rather keep one old and experienced in CM. I dont think that he would prefer to play McCarthy, Besic and Barkley in the middle. Not yet anyways. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter H Posted January 5, 2015 Report Share Posted January 5, 2015 Four consecutive; I think he's shown plenty personally. We all root for the new guys to succeed, so rose tinted goggles on in the beginning can tally up some extra votes in the mom thread. Dont get me wrong, Besic has done ok. Might wven say good but after seing some of his performances in the national team I have bigger hopes. I think he came in to his first game wrong and that it might have had an effect on him. (Causing that goal, cant remember who it was against) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted January 5, 2015 Report Share Posted January 5, 2015 play 433 then and have 3 midfielders robles coleman stones jags garbutt besic barkley baines lukaku naisy mirallas sell mccarthy for a hot sum and we're off to the races. oviedo can hop in for mirallas. Deacs 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted January 5, 2015 Report Share Posted January 5, 2015 We all root for the new guys to succeed, so rose tinted goggles on in the beginning can tally up some extra votes in the mom thread. Dont get me wrong, Besic has done ok. Might wven say good but after seing some of his performances in the national team I have bigger hopes. I think he came in to his first game wrong and that it might have had an effect on him. (Causing that goal, cant remember who it was against) It's his four most recent games, not his first four. Be interesting to see how many MOTMs McGeady got when he arrived, or Bilyaletdinov (AEK aside). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC11 Posted January 5, 2015 Author Report Share Posted January 5, 2015 (edited) Besic's done well but team hasn't gelled with him playing. I'd still have McCarthy ahead of him as I'm desperate to see a box to box player in the middle. Besics not that player - Barkley Edited January 5, 2015 by MC11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter H Posted January 5, 2015 Report Share Posted January 5, 2015 It's his four most recent games, not his first four. Be interesting to see how many MOTMs McGeady got when he arrived, or Bilyaletdinov (AEK aside). Ok, fair enough. I know i voted for him at least once. I think i have voted for McGeady and Bily once to Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanmckenzieismagic Posted January 5, 2015 Report Share Posted January 5, 2015 http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/luke-garbutt-ready-return-everton-8387445 "Garbutt is out of contract in the summer but the ECHO understands both the player and the club are keen to agree a new deal" Matt and Toffee_in_LA 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted January 5, 2015 Report Share Posted January 5, 2015 http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/luke-garbutt-ready-return-everton-8387445 "Garbutt is out of contract in the summer but the ECHO understands both the player and the club are keen to agree a new deal" That is good to hear! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowensda Posted January 5, 2015 Report Share Posted January 5, 2015 Yep, good news. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Posted January 6, 2015 Report Share Posted January 6, 2015 To be fair wasn't Besic MoM on here for a few of his recent matches. Five times so far this season, but was still dropped after the last of the four consecutive ones. Its time to move Barry to the bench. Toffee_in_LA and MikeO 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted January 6, 2015 Report Share Posted January 6, 2015 maybe he gets dropped because he hasn't got a brain he keeps diving in and looks like he's going to get sent off all the time. every time i see him nowadays he's flat footed, its not the lack of pace, its his inability to get on his toes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted January 6, 2015 Report Share Posted January 6, 2015 maybe he gets dropped because he hasn't got a brain he keeps diving in and looks like he's going to get sent off all the time. Disagree, he tends to get an early yellow while introducing himself to the opposition but then knows he can't do it again so he doesn't. I was worried about it happening but he's not got close to a red as far as I can remember. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted January 6, 2015 Report Share Posted January 6, 2015 why get booked in the first place you know and I know once you get booked you cant bee as effective in the game. dont get me wrong I hope he will learn for he could be a good player for us.. He doesn't get intentionally booked but he puts the fear of god into the opposition; puts a marker down early. He can then be effective because they'll be scared to go near him . Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Posted January 6, 2015 Report Share Posted January 6, 2015 (edited) Barry gets more bookings than anybody else, and gives away too many free kicks in dodgy area's, he's been lucky to stay on the pitch a couple of times this season. Edited January 6, 2015 by Bill Romey 1878, Matt and Toffee_in_LA 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddock Posted January 7, 2015 Report Share Posted January 7, 2015 Barry gets more bookings than anybody else, and gives away too many free kicks in dodgy area's, he's been lucky to stay on the pitch a couple of times this season. Yep, agree 100% with this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted January 7, 2015 Report Share Posted January 7, 2015 barry played well last night he doesnt get the credit he deserves hes far and away our most important fit midfielder at this time. Could not disagree more with a single post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddock Posted January 7, 2015 Report Share Posted January 7, 2015 Could not disagree more with a single post. He did play well last night mate. He's been awful but everyone has been. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanmckenzieismagic Posted January 7, 2015 Report Share Posted January 7, 2015 I agree, Barry was decent last night, much more like last seasons player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted January 7, 2015 Report Share Posted January 7, 2015 He did play well last night mate. He's been awful but everyone has been. Had this discussion with Mark I think, I only saw the second half and he saw him doing what he's been doing this season; silly passes, losing possession, getting us into trouble. Unless he had a stellar first half, I'm perplexed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddock Posted January 7, 2015 Report Share Posted January 7, 2015 Had this discussion with Mark I think, I only saw the second half and he saw him doing what he's been doing this season; silly passes, losing possession, getting us into trouble. Unless he had a stellar first half, I'm perplexed. I thought he was pretty decent all game tbh but we all see it different I suppose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowensda Posted January 7, 2015 Report Share Posted January 7, 2015 (edited) Tim Pearson @TimPearsonMedia Follow Luke Garbutt's preference is to stay with #EFC beyond this year. But he wants assurances over 1st team opportunities, which he isn't getting Edited January 7, 2015 by tenaciousj Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted January 7, 2015 Report Share Posted January 7, 2015 Tim Pearson @TimPearsonMedia Follow Luke Garbutt's preference is to stay with #EFC beyond this year. But he wants assurances over 1st team opportunities, which he isn't getting its fair enough I think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanmckenzieismagic Posted January 7, 2015 Report Share Posted January 7, 2015 Had this discussion with Mark I think, I only saw the second half and he saw him doing what he's been doing this season; silly passes, losing possession, getting us into trouble. Unless he had a stellar first half, I'm perplexed. Lol Im perplexed at you being perplexed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toffee_in_LA Posted January 7, 2015 Report Share Posted January 7, 2015 Tim Pearson @TimPearsonMedia Follow Luke Garbutt's preference is to stay with #EFC beyond this year. But he wants assurances over 1st team opportunities, which he isn't getting I wouldn't mind seeing Baines in the midfield from time to time and Oviedo/Garbutt rotating at LB. Especially because Oviedo can also play as a LM/LW Deacs and Matt 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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