duncanmckenzieismagic Posted May 10, 2015 Report Share Posted May 10, 2015 http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/martinez-ill-unleash-evertons-young-9227855#ICID=sharebar_twitter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted May 11, 2015 Report Share Posted May 11, 2015 http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/martinez-ill-unleash-evertons-young-9227855#ICID=sharebar_twitter Depends on who we play, if we get the spot youngsters are fine but I want to get to the group stage. If we don't it's a waste of a great opportunity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted May 11, 2015 Report Share Posted May 11, 2015 http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/martinez-ill-unleash-evertons-young-9227855#ICID=sharebar_twitter The same youngsters we were going to see this season? The same youngsters who aren't good enough to play in these meaningless few games at the end of the season? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted May 11, 2015 Report Share Posted May 11, 2015 The same youngsters we were going to see this season? The same youngsters who aren't good enough to play in these meaningless few games at the end of the season? He's playing the veterans to get the fair play I believe. He had told them to steady it out with the cards and play smart ball with fouling up the place. He wouldn't be able to control the youngsters as much, might get al excited and go out and start tackling like crazy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted May 11, 2015 Report Share Posted May 11, 2015 If we get it I'd play the under 21s/reserves tbh; they should be good enough to beat the sort of opposition who goes in that early. If we get knocked out then no problem; if we get to the groups we give it some attention. First team squad need a decent break. Roberto agrees with me . http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/martinez-ill-unleash-evertons-young-9227855#rlabs=14 markjazzbassist 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanmckenzieismagic Posted May 11, 2015 Report Share Posted May 11, 2015 Roberto agrees with me . http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/martinez-ill-unleash-evertons-young-9227855#rlabs=14 That's the exact same article that I posted three threads up Mike . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted May 11, 2015 Report Share Posted May 11, 2015 That's the exact same article that I posted three threads up Mike . Touche . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanmckenzieismagic Posted May 11, 2015 Report Share Posted May 11, 2015 Touche . Ha ha sorry I couldn't resist! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted May 11, 2015 Report Share Posted May 11, 2015 Ha ha sorry I couldn't resist! You had every right . Bastard . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluenosetoffee Posted May 12, 2015 Report Share Posted May 12, 2015 Let's hope we go for it against West Ham score goals, play attractive football and make West Ham make silly tackles! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oztoffee Posted May 14, 2015 Report Share Posted May 14, 2015 (edited) Honest to god, if we have to rely on Fair Play to get in, we're well off the pace for the competition. After last season's league debacle that was set up by being in the Europa League, I'm amazed that there are fans who are hoping to get in the competition again. I said about 3/4 years ago ' be careful what you wish for'. I hate to rub it in, but why in god's name do we want to do that again? Our squad is paper thin and many players are not able to commit fully to 2 games a week (why, I don't know). Another season like this one would be a punishing one both physically and mentally for the players. FFS, give them a rest...I know I need one away from the crap we've been served up this season. Edited May 14, 2015 by Oztoffee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shukes Posted May 14, 2015 Report Share Posted May 14, 2015 We need to be positive and put our name out in Europe to,attract better players. Yes if we qualify it will be a strange Way to qualify....but it's what the club does with a given opportunity. We should grasp it and make a statement. Why as a club would we want to turn it down? Toffee_in_LA, markjazzbassist and Matt 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted May 14, 2015 Report Share Posted May 14, 2015 Honest to god, if we have to rely on Fair Play to get in, we're well off the pace for the competition. After last season's league debacle that was set up by being in the Europa League, I'm amazed that there are fans who are hoping to get in the competition again. I said about 3/4 years ago ' be careful what you wish for'. I hate to rub it in, but why in god's name do we want to do that again? Our squad is paper thin and many players are not able to commit fully to 2 games a week (why, I don't know). Another season like this one would be a punishing one both physically and mentally for the players. FFS, give them a rest...I know I need one away from the crap we've been served up this season. we beat the german runners up twice in epic beat downs, beat quality french, russian, and swiss sides. How was it a debacle? Lukaku is tied for Golden boot. Look at the glass half full not empty my friend. We need to be positive and put our name out in Europe to,attract better players. Yes if we qualify it will be a strange Way to qualify....but it's what the club does with a given opportunity. We should grasp it and make a statement. Why as a club would we want to turn it down? spot on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanmckenzieismagic Posted May 14, 2015 Report Share Posted May 14, 2015 Honest to god, if we have to rely on Fair Play to get in, we're well off the pace for the competition. After last season's league debacle that was set up by being in the Europa League, I'm amazed that there are fans who are hoping to get in the competition again. I said about 3/4 years ago ' be careful what you wish for'. I hate to rub it in, but why in god's name do we want to do that again? Our squad is paper thin and many players are not able to commit fully to 2 games a week (why, I don't know). Another season like this one would be a punishing one both physically and mentally for the players. FFS, give them a rest...I know I need one away from the crap we've been served up this season. Us having a shite season has got nothing to do with Us playing in Europe We were shite before the competition got going. We were shite during the break between the group stages and the knock out phases and we are shite now. Our poor season has everything to do with poor tactics and no plan b and nothing to do with Europe Romey 1878, Sibdane, Matt and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornish Steve Posted May 14, 2015 Report Share Posted May 14, 2015 Lawrenson at the BBC website. Quite amusing. Both of these teams are in contention for a Europa League place via the Fair Play table. I don't think either of them really want that - so it might end up being eight versus eight by the end of the game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornish Steve Posted May 14, 2015 Report Share Posted May 14, 2015 And it looks as if Europa would play second fiddle anyway. http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/everton-boss-roberto-martinez-set-5699323 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shukes Posted May 16, 2015 Report Share Posted May 16, 2015 Think we can kiss this goodbye now. Big Sam is too Savvy to allow them to throw it away now...and they would need to throw it away.....it's in their hands. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted May 16, 2015 Report Share Posted May 16, 2015 Seriously... Does someone actually want Europa this way??? Playing matches in summer and the shitty performances we seen??? League is key. Gwlad, Antonio Montana and MC11 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted May 16, 2015 Report Share Posted May 16, 2015 Think we can kiss this goodbye now. Big Sam is too Savvy to allow them to throw it away now...and they would need to throw it away.....it's in their hands. I think I'm going to kill myself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC11 Posted May 16, 2015 Report Share Posted May 16, 2015 Seriously... Does someone actually want Europa this way??? Playing matches in summer and the shitty performances we seen??? League is key. This Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shukes Posted May 16, 2015 Report Share Posted May 16, 2015 I think I'm going to kill myself. We all know that's more to it than cards MikeO but I think it would be a bit naive to think that cards would not be a huge part of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC11 Posted May 16, 2015 Report Share Posted May 16, 2015 "Fair" play. Would be naive to think cards aren't the swinging factor. We won't get it unless West Ham go out kicking Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted May 16, 2015 Report Share Posted May 16, 2015 We all know that's more to it than cards MikeO but I think it would be a bit naive to think that cards would not be a huge part of it. "Fair" play. Would be naive to think cards aren't the swinging factor. We won't get it unless West Ham go out kicking Look at the rules; there's far more to it than cards, you get a score out of ten for that. Attacking play, respect towards ref/opponents, behaviour of team officials/public adds up to a score out of forty. Cards amount to a fifth of the score, that's not "huge" is it?. And the table is three games out of date so it's anyone's guess what the true picture is now. Naive in the extreme to suggest that today's yellows will be all important. Last word on it; I'm not going to try to explain this again because even newspaper journos don't seem to be able to grasp it; head against brick wall time. I don't want us to get the fucking place anyway . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shukes Posted May 16, 2015 Report Share Posted May 16, 2015 (edited) Don't be so angry...it's just a game ? But just to be clear.....four yellows still only add up to a fifth of the score? That's great, so after the first one we may as well kick lumps out of the opposition, as long as we say sorry to the ref and keep playing attacking footy. Edited May 16, 2015 by Shukes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted May 16, 2015 Report Share Posted May 16, 2015 Don't be so angry...it's just a game But just to be clear.....four yellows still only add up to a fifth of the score? That's great, so after the first one we may as well kick lumps out of the opposition, as long as we say sorry to the ref and keep playing attacking footy. Not angry, just frustrated that people don't seem to be able to grasp the concept. But yes, you get a mark out of ten for cards and a mark out of forty (in total) for the other aspects I mentioned. The table is well out of date and very close, we could finish top or tenth. Assumption that we blew it today by getting yellows is daft. That really is my last word on it (though I've said that before) . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC11 Posted May 16, 2015 Report Share Posted May 16, 2015 Basically you have absolutely no idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deacs Posted May 17, 2015 Report Share Posted May 17, 2015 Not angry, just frustrated that people don't seem to be able to grasp the concept. But yes, you get a mark out of ten for cards and a mark out of forty (in total) for the other aspects I mentioned. The table is well out of date and very close, we could finish top or tenth. Assumption that we blew it today by getting yellows is daft. That really is my last word on it (though I've said that before) . So just clarifying, because we got four yellows yesterday and they only got one, they get the spot? Don't know why everyone's having so much trouble workin if out. Least yellows gets the spot, easy. Didn't want the spot that way would have been a curse for the season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Btay Posted May 17, 2015 Author Report Share Posted May 17, 2015 So just clarifying, because we got four yellows yesterday and they only got one, they get the spot? Don't know why everyone's having so much trouble workin if out. Least yellows gets the spot, easy. Didn't want the spot that way would have been a curse for the season. Has to be a wind up here hahaha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deacs Posted May 17, 2015 Report Share Posted May 17, 2015 Dead serious mate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted May 17, 2015 Report Share Posted May 17, 2015 Basically you have absolutely no idea. The card angle is pretty easy to work out. So far this season (up to 34 games which is where the table is updated to) we have 276 out of a possibly 340 so it's pretty obvious that you lose a point for each yellow and maybe three for a red, so since that table we've dropped two points on West Ham. My whole point is that nobody has any idea how the rest of the points are allocated; so losing two points out of a maximum 200 for the final four games is not "the deciding factor" because there are so many unknowns. We were ten points behind them at the last count anyway so all we know is that we've now got to make up twelve in the other categories (which I hope we won't). There's also Burnley to consider who were only three points behind us. Edit: The yellow/red penalty is one and three points deducted. http://www.premierleague.com/en-gb/matchday/fair-play-calculation.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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