Weirdness Abounds (or the Idrissa Gana Gueye Thread)

[Palfy]

12 hours ago, Shukes said:

Dyche isn’t stupid. 
He saw what happened on that match. 40 minute’s of competition be away to the leagues leaders. 
Schoolboy mistake and pulled off. Total collapse.

He will be playing Sunday. 

Better players were pulled in that 2nd half than him, as Dyche said today at 2-0 the game was over so he threw players on to try something different. We didn't calapse 2nd half just because he was subbed, his end of his 1st half fuck up had more to do with the calapse than anything else, every player's head went down after that calamitous piece of shit I was going to say football but that would be stretching it a bit. Dyche also noted today about his penalty the game before, I have a feeling that Dyche doesn't like what he's seeing with Gana. 

[Shukes]

14 hours ago, Palfy said:

Better players were pulled in that 2nd half than him, as Dyche said today at 2-0 the game was over so he threw players on to try something different. We didn't calapse 2nd half just because he was subbed, his end of his 1st half fuck up had more to do with the calapse than anything else, every player's head went down after that calamitous piece of shit I was going to say football but that would be stretching it a bit. Dyche also noted today about his penalty the game before, I have a feeling that Dyche doesn't like what he's seeing with Gana. 

If you and Haf are right, then the whole first team needs to be dropped. You’re basically saying they are a bunch of school kids. How we can believe that professional players will give up before half time being 0-2 down to the premier league leaders is beyond me. They even went in for a half time team talk and you two are suggesting that Dyche totally destroyed their confidence rather than motivated them. 
 

It’s absolutely dumbfounding. Yet your suggesting that these same players that fell apart because Gana made a mistake, should be playing ahead of him. I k ow none of us are professional football managers…. But bloody hell were more than armchair supporters haha.
 

Is this why Gana hasn’t played many minutes for Dyche? Can’t be because he is simply putting the same team out can it, as his first move was to put Gray on the bench and hardly play him. 
 

Gana deserves to go off, that was an absolute disgusting mistake. But it definitely had an impact on the second half as they went through us at will. I know Gana isn’t some people’s favourite player…. But this thread can be absolutely baffling sometimes. 

[Hafnia]

2 hours ago, Shukes said:

If you and Haf are right, then the whole first team needs to be dropped. You’re basically saying they are a bunch of school kids. How we can believe that professional players will give up before half time being 0-2 down to the premier league leaders is beyond me. They even went in for a half time team talk and you two are suggesting that Dyche totally destroyed their confidence rather than motivated them. 
 

It’s absolutely dumbfounding. Yet your suggesting that these same players that fell apart because Gana made a mistake, should be playing ahead of him. I k ow none of us are professional football managers…. But bloody hell were more than armchair supporters haha.
 

Is this why Gana hasn’t played many minutes for Dyche? Can’t be because he is simply putting the same team out can it, as his first move was to put Gray on the bench and hardly play him. 
 

Gana deserves to go off, that was an absolute disgusting mistake. But it definitely had an impact on the second half as they went through us at will. I know Gana isn’t some people’s favourite player…. But this thread can be absolutely baffling sometimes. 

You trying to tell me that you can’t see the difference in the intensity from the first 40 minutes to the second 40? The other night? Wasn’t anything to do with a player it was the overall application. 
 

to me it’s night and day, some fans can get kidded by the “going through the motions” where they close players down with no intention of winning the ball but to make the player pass, and when all players do that the opposing team looks like Real Madrid. 

I can name games right now - west Han away, Liverpool away, Brighton home, Southampton home, arsenal away, Villa home. 
 

tell me you didn’t see the noted drop off after we went behind?  The players are mentally weak, they won’t take shots, play safe passes and basically hide. 

[Shukes]

51 minutes ago, Hafnia said:

You trying to tell me that you can’t see the difference in the intensity from the first 40 minutes to the second 40? The other night? Wasn’t anything to do with a player it was the overall application. 
 

to me it’s night and day, some fans can get kidded by the “going through the motions” where they close players down with no intention of winning the ball but to make the player pass, and when all players do that the opposing team looks like Real Madrid. 

I can name games right now - west Han away, Liverpool away, Brighton home, Southampton home, arsenal away, Villa home. 
 

tell me you didn’t see the noted drop off after we went behind?  The players are mentally weak, they won’t take shots, play safe passes and basically hide. 

I’m telling you exactly that Haf. It was night and day the difference between the first and second. 
 

First 40 we were actually giving them a game. Second we were absolutely dismantled. 
My only point Haf is that Gana is by far not our biggest problem. He went off and deserving to. But it was obvious the hole it left without him. I’m just struggling to see how it’s not obvious that’s all. 
 

Undoubtedly the players dropped off as well, but a lot of that was because they didn’t have that protection. 
 

Funny but as I type, the right hand panel is showing the leading stats in the premier league on SSN, and Gana is top for interceptions. 

[Shukes]

I agree with what you’re saying Haf, just not that it’s all because of Gana’s mistake. 
I don’t think that mistake suddenly destroys players. Not professional players.

[Palfy]

28 minutes ago, Shukes said:

I’m telling you exactly that Haf. It was night and day the difference between the first and second. 
 

First 40 we were actually giving them a game. Second we were absolutely dismantled. 
My only point Haf is that Gana is by far not our biggest problem. He went off and deserving to. But it was obvious the hole it left without him. I’m just struggling to see how it’s not obvious that’s all. 
 

Undoubtedly the players dropped off as well, but a lot of that was because they didn’t have that protection. 
 

Funny but as I type, the right hand panel is showing the leading stats in the premier league on SSN, and Gana is top for interceptions. 

But you were saying our poor 2nd half was because Gana was taken off, I'm saying that isn't the case, in Dyche's own words he said the game was pretty much gone at 2-0, which afforded him the opportunity to make changes and experiment with a few things.  So what if Gana is top for interceptions that doesn't excuse him for giving away 2 goals in his last 2 games and costing us any chance of getting something from those games. I haven't been bashing Gana at all really since his return I have given him the benefit of the doubt, but lately he has shown all his bad faults from the last time he was here. And to top it off our best player of last season in the middle of the park has been switched to right wing which has completely nullified his game so Gana can be fitted in, which has done the team no favours at all. If he is fortunate to start tomorrow I hope to fuck he doesn't need to make a tackle in the box or has to much possession near our goal But apart from that he's doing an amazing job. 

[Hafnia]

2 hours ago, Shukes said:

I’m telling you exactly that Haf. It was night and day the difference between the first and second. 
 

First 40 we were actually giving them a game. Second we were absolutely dismantled. 
My only point Haf is that Gana is by far not our biggest problem. He went off and deserving to. But it was obvious the hole it left without him. I’m just struggling to see how it’s not obvious that’s all. 
 

Undoubtedly the players dropped off as well, but a lot of that was because they didn’t have that protection. 
 

Funny but as I type, the right hand panel is showing the leading stats in the premier league on SSN, and Gana is top for interceptions. 

He may well lead interceptions but I would guess he’s also leading on errors leading to goals,whatever the criteria is some of them have been unacceptable from an experienced player. 
 

im a big gana fan but I have serious concerns over his focus 

[Shukes]

1 hour ago, Palfy said:

But you were saying our poor 2nd half was because Gana was taken off, I'm saying that isn't the case, in Dyche's own words he said the game was pretty much gone at 2-0, which afforded him the opportunity to make changes and experiment with a few things.  So what if Gana is top for interceptions that doesn't excuse him for giving away 2 goals in his last 2 games and costing us any chance of getting something from those games. I haven't been bashing Gana at all really since his return I have given him the benefit of the doubt, but lately he has shown all his bad faults from the last time he was here. And to top it off our best player of last season in the middle of the park has been switched to right wing which has completely nullified his game so Gana can be fitted in, which has done the team no favours at all. If he is fortunate to start tomorrow I hope to fuck he doesn't need to make a tackle in the box or has to much possession near our goal But apart from that he's doing an amazing job. 

Palf you’ve been quiet as he’s been getting MoM votes haha. 
 

Everyone else here is reading my comments as well and I shouldn’t need to point out that I’m pretty much every single post, I have said that the mistake was unacceptable and that it was a schoolboy error. 
 

For me it was clear as day the change with a gaping hole in the middle of the park…. One that is normally filled by him, and that in the first half made us competitive. He went off and we didn’t just look a little worse…. We were completely dismantled. 
It’s not 100% him being taken off, of course not. But it was blatantly obvious the hole that was left. 

But maybe some didn’t see the hole and thought we were more organised without him

[Shukes]

1 hour ago, Hafnia said:

He may well lead interceptions but I would guess he’s also leading on errors leading to goals,whatever the criteria is some of them have been unacceptable from an experienced player. 
 

im a big gana fan but I have serious concerns over his focus 

That I can agree with Haf. I’m have the same reservations over him. 

[Shukes]

I know poor Gana feels. Proper bully’s you two are!

[Bailey]

I think he was mainly at fault for their first goal again today. He was out of position, he is meant to pick the players that drop deep, he doesnt react at all and when Keane has no other option but to go and close him, he doesn't fill in behind him. 

When the ball and threat is in front of him he is great but his focus on what is around him is really poor.

[Palfy]

2 hours ago, Bailey said:

I think he was mainly at fault for their first goal again today. He was out of position, he is meant to pick the players that drop deep, he doesnt react at all and when Keane has no other option but to go and close him, he doesn't fill in behind him. 

When the ball and threat is in front of him he is great but his focus on what is around him is really poor.

Didn't see the first half, but caught the second I thought he played one of his better games second half, he made a couple of poor passes that got picked off but I think we are always going to get that from him, luckily they didn't cause any damage. The one thing I found frustrating was when he manufactured a great move and found himself in their box and failed to do the easy bit and square the ball to I think it was Gray, instead he fluffs his lines and concedes easy possession back to them and we miss a golden opportunity, so frustrating from a player of his age and experience that he can't execute the simple things. But besides that amazing  

[Bailey]

3 hours ago, Palfy said:

Didn't see the first half, but caught the second I thought he played one of his better games second half, he made a couple of poor passes that got picked off but I think we are always going to get that from him, luckily they didn't cause any damage. The one thing I found frustrating was when he manufactured a great move and found himself in their box and failed to do the easy bit and square the ball to I think it was Gray, instead he fluffs his lines and concedes easy possession back to them and we miss a golden opportunity, so frustrating from a player of his age and experience that he can't execute the simple things. But besides that amazing  

Yeh I think he did play well on the whole and did lots of good things but he just switches off and he isnt learning. He lost the ball in a bad position again but got away with it as the ref gave us a dodgy foul. 

A player of his experience has to do better.

[Hafnia]

9 hours ago, Bailey said:

Yeh I think he did play well on the whole and did lots of good things but he just switches off and he isnt learning. He lost the ball in a bad position again but got away with it as the ref gave us a dodgy foul. 

A player of his experience has to do better.

Was that when he tried a tame cross? 

[Bailey]

On 06/03/2023 at 08:04, Hafnia said:

Was that when he tried a tame cross? 

No it was really deep in our half and would have put us into the same type of position Doucoure put us into for their equaliser.

 

[Hafnia]

4 hours ago, Bailey said:

No it was really deep in our half and would have put us into the same type of position Doucoure put us into for their equaliser.

 

There was too much of that. Passing through opposing players close to feet 

[patto]

23 minutes ago, Hafnia said:

There was too much of that. Passing through opposing players close to feet 

I’m more concerned about Onana he’s been terrible for weeks 

[duncanmckenzieismagic]

Now racked up 100 caps for his country, whatever you think of him that’s a great achievement 

https://tbrfootball.com/sadio-mane-sends-message-to-everton-midfielder-idrissa-gueye-after-senegal-achievement/

 

[MikeO]

Palfy asked me to post this link...

https://www.footballfancast.com/everton-gueye-warrington-dyche-premier-league-opinion/

[Palfy]

1 minute ago, MikeO said:

Palfy asked me to post this link...

https://www.footballfancast.com/everton-gueye-warrington-dyche-premier-league-opinion/

Thanks Mike. I don’t really know a lot about Warrington but it sounds from the article he’s got a big future I like the sound of him. Has anyone got footage or seen much of him playing, would be interested to hear what others know and think of him. Bringing good talent through the ranks is also a great way to help get our finances back on track, as well as players who want to play for the shirt. 

[Matt]

1 hour ago, Palfy said:

Thanks Mike. I don’t really know a lot about Warrington but it sounds from the article he’s got a big future I like the sound of him. Has anyone got footage or seen much of him playing, would be interested to hear what others know and think of him. Bringing good talent through the ranks is also a great way to help get our finances back on track, as well as players who want to play for the shirt. 

How did you manage to send the link to Mike mate?

[Palfy]

1 hour ago, Matt said:

How did you manage to send the link to Mike mate?

Email bud. 

[Romey 1878]

1 minute ago, Palfy said:

Email bud. 

Why didn't you just post it yourself then?  

[Palfy]

4 minutes ago, Romey 1878 said:

Why didn't you just post it yourself then?  

I’ve employed Mike to be honest really not sure how to send from iPhone to a specific thread. Educate by PM if you can please mate. 

[Romey 1878]

Just now, Palfy said:

I’ve employed Mike to be honest really sure how to send from iPhone to a specific thread. Educate by PM if you can please mate. 

If you've managed to copy and paste the link into an email you just do exactly the same thing in a thread.

[Palfy]

Just now, Romey 1878 said:

If you've managed to copy and paste the link into an email you just do exactly the same thing in a thread.

I’ll give it a go next time I want to send a link, and if not successful Mike will have to stay on the payroll. 

[Matt]

It really is a simple as pasting it in an email. Only difference here is the button says Submit Reply instead of Send

 

[Palfy]

30 minutes ago, Matt said:

It really is a simple as pasting it in an email. Only difference here is the button says Submit Reply instead of Send

 

Don’t say it’s easy mate you’re talking to computer illiteracy here, I’m guaranteed to be on phone a friend in a day or two. 

[Romey 1878]

12 hours ago, Palfy said:

Don’t say it’s easy mate you’re talking to computer illiteracy here, I’m guaranteed to be on phone a friend in a day or two. 

With an IQ as high as yours, surely not!

[Palfy]

5 hours ago, Romey 1878 said:

With an IQ as high as yours, surely not!

Unfortunately yes. I’m 63 and never made my mark in life being computer literate, it’s hard to teach an old dog new tricks well this one anyway. But if you ever need advice on anything revolving around Drywall, Carpentry, Scaffolding, Painting and Decorating, Property Portfolio and management advice, then I may be your man, but all things computers then I’m not going to be of any use. But you’re right I know how to copy and paste does that make me close to being an IT specialist