MC11 Posted November 9, 2014 Report Share Posted November 9, 2014 Doubtful. But about Oviedo's versatility there is little doubt. So you want Oviedo in over Gibson.. Lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest millwallforever Posted November 9, 2014 Report Share Posted November 9, 2014 (edited) So you want Oviedo in over Gibson.. Lol Yes I do. The only player I would sacrifice in the midfield for the sake of Gibbo: Hoofit Neville. We should get rid of our two remaining Man Utd rejects. Edited November 9, 2014 by millwallforever Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC11 Posted November 9, 2014 Report Share Posted November 9, 2014 Yes I do. The only player I would sacrifice in the midfield for the sake of Gibbo: Hoofit Neville. We all see it different mate but Oviedo in over Gibson is up there. I haven't seen the game today so I can't comment on his performance but I've seen enough of him to know Oviedo shouldn't be starting in CM ahead of him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter H Posted November 9, 2014 Report Share Posted November 9, 2014 Oviedo can play central midfield. It is not his natural position though. Id have both Osman and Barkley there before Oviedo tbh. Or Pienaar. Play Oviedo infront of Baines instead Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC11 Posted November 9, 2014 Report Share Posted November 9, 2014 It is not his natural position though. Id have both Osman and Barkley there before Oviedo tbh. Or Pienaar. Play Oviedo infront of Baines instead Barkley in CM would be boss. Look at the Derby last season at Goodison....he smashed it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest millwallforever Posted November 9, 2014 Report Share Posted November 9, 2014 It is not his natural position though. Id have both Osman and Barkley there before Oviedo tbh. Or Pienaar. Play Oviedo infront of Baines instead Heard of Jonas Thern who switched from winger to central midfielder? On his day he was one of the finest in Europe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest millwallforever Posted November 9, 2014 Report Share Posted November 9, 2014 We all see it different mate but Oviedo in over Gibson is up there. I haven't seen the game today so I can't comment on his performance but I've seen enough of him to know Oviedo shouldn't be starting in CM ahead of him. I know you're a big fan of Gibbo. I think he was a breath of fresh air during the Moyes era; we have moved on since then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC11 Posted November 9, 2014 Report Share Posted November 9, 2014 I know you're a big fan of Gibbo. I think he was a breath of fresh air during the Moyes era; we have moved on since then. He's a footballer unlike the water carriers we have in midfield every week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter H Posted November 9, 2014 Report Share Posted November 9, 2014 Heard of Jonas Thern who switched from winger to central midfielder? On his day he was one of the finest in Europe. Lol, I really dont remember him ever being a winger. His son is a winger. Youre probably right but i remember him as the central general that he was. He was never that speedy either. Him and Schwartz sure did boss cm tho. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest millwallforever Posted November 9, 2014 Report Share Posted November 9, 2014 He's a footballer unlike the water carriers we have in midfield every week. Scott Gemmill had the twice the footballing brain of a David Batty, yet he was half the player. Perhaps the finest brain in an English midfielder: Ian Bishop. How many caps did he win? In other words: footballing brain vs carrying water is a false dichotomy. Barry and McCarthy play at least one league above Gibson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest millwallforever Posted November 9, 2014 Report Share Posted November 9, 2014 Lol, I really dont remember him ever being a winger. His son is a winger. Youre probably right but i remember him as the central general that he was. He was never that speedy either. Him and Schwartz sure did boss cm tho. He used to be winger for Malmö FF as a young man. Everton were very close to signing him in 1989. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC11 Posted November 9, 2014 Report Share Posted November 9, 2014 Scott Gemmill had the twice the footballing brain of a David Batty, yet he was half the player. Perhaps the finest brain in an English midfielder: Ian Bishop. How many caps did he win? In other words: footballing brain vs carrying water is a false dichotomy. Barry and McCarthy play at least one league above Gibson. Another great comparison. The guy needs a steady run in the team and I guarantee (if he can stay fit) he'll dictate our games from start to finish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter H Posted November 9, 2014 Report Share Posted November 9, 2014 He used to be winger for Malmö FF as a young man. Everton were very close to signing him in 1989. I lived in England in 89 and did not know much about allsvenskan. My first real contact with Thern was the terrible 2-1, 2-1, 2-1 1990 wc Italy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest millwallforever Posted November 9, 2014 Report Share Posted November 9, 2014 Another great comparison. The guy needs a steady run in the team and I guarantee (if he can stay fit) he'll dictate our games from start to finish. Sorry mate, he ain't that good. Feel free to rub it in if you ever prove me wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest millwallforever Posted November 9, 2014 Report Share Posted November 9, 2014 I lived in England in 89 and did not know much about allsvenskan. My first real contact with Thern was the terrible 2-1, 2-1, 2-1 1990 wc Italy I don't recall Sweden's games in 1990, except for the one where Stuart McCall scored. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter H Posted November 9, 2014 Report Share Posted November 9, 2014 I don't recall Sweden's games in 1990, except for the one where Stuart McCall scored. I remember Careca scoring 2 against Sweden. I also remember that terrible game vs costa rica. Sweden went one up but let two late goals past them. Sweden really should have beaten Costa Rica and probably Scotland too. Should have gone through behind Brazil. But then again, who would have predicted that they would come third in 1994? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest millwallforever Posted November 9, 2014 Report Share Posted November 9, 2014 (edited) I remember Careca scoring 2 against Sweden. I also remember that terrible game vs costa rica. Sweden went one up but let two late goals past them. Sweden really should have beaten Costa Rica and probably Scotland too. Should have gone through behind Brazil. But then again, who would have predicted that they would come third in 1994? As far as I can recall, Scotland's victory was thoroughly deserved. If anyone should be blaming themselves for pressing thre self-destruct button, it is the Scots, who were roughly 5 minutes away from making it through to the last 16 - until that infamous Jim Leighton cock-up. I still remember that look on Alex McLeish's face; he would have strangled Leighton there and then if he could get away with it. Edited November 9, 2014 by millwallforever Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted November 10, 2014 Report Share Posted November 10, 2014 This has to go down as one of the most ridiculous statements ever. The pass before the assist lol. What's next he was closest to the scorer. Unbelievable. It's the reason Pienaar was so important for us under Moyes. His pass got Baines in who then squared it to the scorer. It basically means he is doing something right and exploiting opportunities. Sometimes it's the pass before that is more important than the assist itself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC11 Posted November 10, 2014 Report Share Posted November 10, 2014 (edited) It's the reason Pienaar was so important for us under Moyes. His pass got Baines in who then squared it to the scorer. It basically means he is doing something right and exploiting opportunities. Sometimes it's the pass before that is more important than the assist itself. Lol. If it was a defence splitting pass I'd agree with you partially. But you're trying to build someone up as a creative player who isn't. The majority of those pass before assists where most likely a link from the defence to attack. If you look at other clubs their central midfielders will be top of that too. Edited November 10, 2014 by MC11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter H Posted November 10, 2014 Report Share Posted November 10, 2014 As far as I can recall, Scotland's victory was thoroughly deserved. If anyone should be blaming themselves for pressing thre self-destruct button, it is the Scots, who were roughly 5 minutes away from making it through to the last 16 - until that infamous Jim Leighton cock-up. I still remember that look on Alex McLeish's face; he would have strangled Leighton there and then if he could get away with it. Scotland did deserve the win against Sweden, I meant on paper. Sweden should have qualified from the group but they messed it up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted November 10, 2014 Report Share Posted November 10, 2014 Lol. If it was a defence splitting pass I'd agree with you partially. But you're trying to build someone up as a creative player who isn't. The majority of those pass before assists where most likely a link from the defence to attack. If you look at other clubs their central midfielders will be top of that too. I didnt say he was a creative player and never have. I'm saying that he takes his opportunities and exploits situations leading to a chance or a goal which is a part of how well he can read the game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shukes Posted November 10, 2014 Report Share Posted November 10, 2014 Anyone see Baines pick the ball up on the middle and run through three players before playing a forward ball? That's right must be imagination because Baines hasn't got it in his locker ;-) Not saying he's better than what we have in mid at the min but could be another option. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC11 Posted November 11, 2014 Report Share Posted November 11, 2014 Could be a very influential ball player this season could Gibbo. Just stay fit lad! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted November 11, 2014 Report Share Posted November 11, 2014 (edited) Could be a very influential ball player this season could Gibbo. Just stay fit lad! Watch the Sunderland match mate, I think you might change your mind. All the Hollywood passes were gone, he could only pass 3 yards sideways or backwards, was gassed after 10 minutes on the pitch and for the last 60 minutes of the match was no where to be found. He's a liability in defense as well. Barry tackles hard and plays rough. Gibbo avoids tackling and didn't even look arsed to try and win the ball back. Worst player on the pitch for me. Edited November 11, 2014 by markjazzbassist Bailey, Matt and Toffee_in_LA 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted November 11, 2014 Report Share Posted November 11, 2014 We are definitely a worse team without Barry in it. Matt and Toffee_in_LA 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newty82 Posted November 11, 2014 Report Share Posted November 11, 2014 Yeah definitely not at his best on Sunday. A lot of short side and backward passing. The times he tried the forward opening passes didn't come off. Seems to be real short of match fitness, which isn't surprising. Hopefully he'll get a run of games, build up his fitness and do much better. He certainly looks in good shape. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC11 Posted November 11, 2014 Report Share Posted November 11, 2014 Watch the Sunderland match mate, I think you might change your mind. All the Hollywood passes were gone, he could only pass 3 yards sideways or backwards, was gassed after 10 minutes on the pitch and for the last 60 minutes of the match was no where to be found. He's a liability in defense as well. Barry tackles hard and plays rough. Gibbo avoids tackling and didn't even look arsed to try and win the ball back. Worst player on the pitch for me. Mark I've seen enough of Gibson to make judgement. As I say I didn't see the game only the highlights. Yes I seen that he fucked up on the edge of the area but that's very rare for him. Unless the injury has knocked him sideways I can't agree he'd not good enough. He was great against Lille. When he gets a steady run... Which he looks like he will, it will be better time to judge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddock Posted November 11, 2014 Report Share Posted November 11, 2014 Mark I've seen enough of Gibson to make judgement. As I say I didn't see the game only the highlights. Yes I seen that he fucked up on the edge of the area but that's very rare for him. Unless the injury has knocked him sideways I can't agree he'd not good enough. He was great against Lille. When he gets a steady run... Which he looks like he will, it will be better time to judge. Nothing wrong with fucking up on the edge of the area mate, Barkleys been doing it at least twice a game since he came back and nobodys said a word about it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted November 11, 2014 Report Share Posted November 11, 2014 Watch the Sunderland match mate, I think you might change your mind. All the Hollywood passes were gone, he could only pass 3 yards sideways or backwards, was gassed after 10 minutes on the pitch and for the last 60 minutes of the match was no where to be found. He's a liability in defense as well. Barry tackles hard and plays rough. Gibbo avoids tackling and didn't even look arsed to try and win the ball back. Worst player on the pitch for me. He was shocking against Sunderland, awful, and not just the pissing about on the box. The foul Baines had to make should've been sorted earlier by Gibson. But, its one bad performance and his first start for God knows how long. I'm quite sure that he will get back up to speed given a run, provided a run doesn't cripple him again. I think thats why he wouldn't stick a foot in, he wants to get some game time but there is no way we can carry him like that again. Nothing wrong with fucking up on the edge of the area mate, Barkleys been doing it at least twice a game since he came back and nobodys said a word about it Well thats not quite true, I've given him a hard time quite often Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted November 15, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 15, 2014 Been released from the ROI squad due to picking up a knock to his knee. Surprise, surprise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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