Hafnia Posted April 9, 2015 Report Share Posted April 9, 2015 Unsure really, but gun to head yeah, get someone else in. Its much preferable to have someone who doesn't spend his life on the table (although there's no guarantee the new guy wouldn't be the same) and then theres actually an option for the manager to use him. Martinez managed the lads return to fitness well I thought. I wanted him back straight in, but with his history you have to be careful. Latest injury is just unlucky, but its another unlucky injury after another. After a while, you have to ask if its worth persevering with a sick note or take a chance on a new guy. I'd reluctantly say new guy, who can be younger and cheaper to keep on the books, to groom into the position in 1-2 years time when Barry is gone. I think consideration needs to be taken as to where the youngsters are at. We have some talent coming through in midfield. Personally I would like to see Barkley partner McCarthy. A deeper position may make him focus more, which he needs. Besic should be ready for more games next season after an introductory year and full pre season. The likes of Ledson and Green may not be a million miles away. Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanmckenzieismagic Posted April 9, 2015 Report Share Posted April 9, 2015 http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/darron-gibson-injury-devastating-hes-9008302 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted April 9, 2015 Report Share Posted April 9, 2015 http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/darron-gibson-injury-devastating-hes-9008302 Bloody hell, he really does like the dramatic vocab, doesn't he! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted April 9, 2015 Report Share Posted April 9, 2015 Bloody hell, he really does like the dramatic vocab, doesn't he! If Martinez was to play "give us a clue" every time it would be it would be "1 word, 4 syllables" Phe-nom-in-al In-cred-i-ble Dev-a-stat-ing Lowensda and Matt 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted April 9, 2015 Author Report Share Posted April 9, 2015 If Martinez was to play "give us a clue" every time it would be it would be "1 word, 4 syllables" Phe-nom-in-al In-cred-i-ble Dev-a-stat-ing It makes me want to tell him to shut-the-fuck-up. Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC11 Posted April 9, 2015 Report Share Posted April 9, 2015 Why would the manager sign someone and put them on the bench? He hasn't done that with Barry... which is clearly your point. Besic says hello. Its very clear Barry & McCarthy is his preference. The whole point being there is other areas of the squad that need addressing first and letting Gibson go would be a mistake. We require at least £20m spent on the wings (should Mirallas go). A keeper £5m? Two centre backs £10m? (If for cover only) and an additional "decent" striker £10m? That's £45m without even looking elsewhere, we could do with a cover RB too. I'd even say we need an extra body in midfield without the loss of Gibson. This can all be achieved without spending big but we'll be in a relegation battle again this time next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted April 9, 2015 Report Share Posted April 9, 2015 Besic says hello. Its very clear Barry & McCarthy is his preference. The whole point being there is other areas of the squad that need addressing first and letting Gibson go would be a mistake. We require at least £20m spent on the wings (should Mirallas go). A keeper £5m? Two centre backs £10m? (If for cover only) and an additional "decent" striker £10m? That's £45m without even looking elsewhere, we could do with a cover RB too. I'd even say we need an extra body in midfield without the loss of Gibson. This can all be achieved without spending big but we'll be in a relegation battle again this time next year. Besic is long term. His first season, getting used to things, I'd expect to see more of him next season. A decent keeper is going to be 10-15m if you want a good replacement for Howard ready to walk in. You seem to skipping around the issue of his injury record. What is the point in keeping him on if he is hardly ever fit? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC11 Posted April 9, 2015 Report Share Posted April 9, 2015 Besic is long term. His first season, getting used to things, I'd expect to see more of him next season. A decent keeper is going to be 10-15m if you want a good replacement for Howard ready to walk in. You seem to skipping around the issue of his injury record. What is the point in keeping him on if he is hardly ever fit? He done his cruciate, that's a long term unlucky injury.... He's broke a bone this time round. I will not give up on a player who makes is tick. If we are going to let him go for free we need a like for like replacement and they won't come cheap. The reasoning it's a low risk re-sign, no transfer fee and we know (when fit) he's a top draw player. I also dont trust Martinez in the transfer market Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted April 9, 2015 Report Share Posted April 9, 2015 He done his cruciate, that's a long term unlucky injury.... He's broke a bone this time round. I will not give up on a player who makes is tick. If we are going to let him go for free we need a like for like replacement and they won't come cheap. The reasoning it's a low risk re-sign, no transfer fee and we know (when fit) he's a top draw player. I also dont trust Martinez in the transfer market I sympathize with his injuries, especially considering how many I've had in the last 15 years. But, he cannot justify his wage and thats my issue. He is not earning buttons here, 2.3m a year is quite a wage to earn sitting on a physio table, getting massages and spas... Thats my only gripe really. If he was on Alacarazs contract of a rumoured 25k a week, then I would be less fussed. But he's on nearly double and appears just as often. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seve Posted April 9, 2015 Report Share Posted April 9, 2015 Besic is long term. His first season, getting used to things, I'd expect to see more of him next season. A decent keeper is going to be 10-15m if you want a good replacement for Howard ready to walk in. You seem to skipping around the issue of his injury record. What is the point in keeping him on if he is hardly ever fit? he needs to play robles for the rest of the season then we will know if we need to spend 10mil on a keeper but he wont he will play Howard for the rest of the season and we will have learnt nothing and start next season as we have this.he seems incapable of making a forward thinking decision. markjazzbassist 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornish Steve Posted April 9, 2015 Report Share Posted April 9, 2015 In a sense it's a good time to experiment. When every league position is worth a million, which is what someone else quoted, then you don't experiment. Injuries will force some changes, otherwise play the first team every time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnh Posted April 9, 2015 Report Share Posted April 9, 2015 LOL. A replacement for him needs to be bought in the summer. Next season his replacement will be the only 'ever present' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC11 Posted April 10, 2015 Report Share Posted April 10, 2015 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3032697/Everton-look-Darron-Gibson-new-contract-despite-latest-injury-setback-long-standing-Tom-Cleverley.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted April 10, 2015 Report Share Posted April 10, 2015 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3032697/Everton-look-Darron-Gibson-new-contract-despite-latest-injury-setback-long-standing-Tom-Cleverley.html So long as he takes a wage cut, or more performance based pay, I would be happy to keep him on. If he stays on his current contract then its silly business Romey 1878 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Makis Posted April 10, 2015 Report Share Posted April 10, 2015 Well, obviously we have money to waste if we offer another deal for Gibson. Romey 1878 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted April 11, 2015 Report Share Posted April 11, 2015 £15k a week, with an extra £10k if he's fit for selection, another £10k if he gets on the pitch, another £5k if he manages 90 minutes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sibdane Posted April 11, 2015 Report Share Posted April 11, 2015 This would be ideal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddock Posted April 12, 2015 Report Share Posted April 12, 2015 What would Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowensda Posted July 3, 2015 Report Share Posted July 3, 2015 Being offered a new contract. Strange. Good player when fit. That's the problem. A 1 in 10 game player is not worth the wages IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted July 3, 2015 Author Report Share Posted July 3, 2015 Being offered a new contract. Strange. Good player when fit. That's the problem. A 1 in 10 game player is not worth the wages IMO. His wages should be based on him actually playing. Won't happen though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowensda Posted July 3, 2015 Report Share Posted July 3, 2015 Someone posted some stats. He's only played in 7% of all our games from the last 2 seasons. 28% of all possible minutes from his Everton career. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC11 Posted July 3, 2015 Report Share Posted July 3, 2015 I find it baffling when people want rid of all these squad players? Gibson when fit is the best central midfielder at the club by a country mile. Yes "when fit". The issue of wages comes up far too often. There are plenty of players at the club who hardly play fit or not on thousands of pounds a week. That goes for every premier league club. We can't just keep discarding players because of wages - which should all be budgeted for. I've seen McGeady, Pienaar and Gibson mentioned of late "because of wages". Let's not forget to replace them we'd need to pay a transfer fee plus wages. The three above are decent squad players. Without them the squad looks even thinner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted July 3, 2015 Report Share Posted July 3, 2015 He's on 40k a week to sit in the physio room. That's the only reason I object to keeping him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted July 3, 2015 Report Share Posted July 3, 2015 He just isn't going to get fit. I love how he plays the game, but we all know if he didn't have injury issues he would still be at United. For us though, he's expensive to not be playing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted July 3, 2015 Report Share Posted July 3, 2015 It's a matter of balancing the team. If he was able to be available for 20+ games a season then he is worth keeping. But for the time he spends out we need to get the available players continuity. I'm not doubting his ability. Best in game passer we have, but we are creating a swad around his injury pronesness. Someone has to go. McCarthy is first choice for what he offers us off the ball, Barkley has to be played for the potential he has. We now have cleverley and Barry vying for the other spot. I would have Gibson but his unreliability makes him an expensive bench place/destabiliser. Romey 1878 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted July 3, 2015 Report Share Posted July 3, 2015 I completely agree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sibdane Posted July 3, 2015 Report Share Posted July 3, 2015 Yeah, wages aren't the issue; the injuries are. You can't be a squad player of you aren't ever healthy enough to make the squad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted July 3, 2015 Report Share Posted July 3, 2015 The wages add up while injured, they then become an issue. Could be spent of a player who's fit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowensda Posted July 3, 2015 Report Share Posted July 3, 2015 Exactly. Even if he only played 50% of games, I'd keep him, otherwise he's using up space for a youngster or another player. I like him. Wish he would mend. He's not going to, so its goodbye unfortunately. Romey 1878 and Matt 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC11 Posted July 3, 2015 Report Share Posted July 3, 2015 If reports are true I doubt it's goodbye. Unless his terms have been reduced. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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