Longest Thread For Drivel (or the Romelu Lukaku thread)

[holystove]

There is absolutely zero comparison of Rom to him.... just like this cantona 70 goals bollocks. Shearer slowed down after his second cruciate injury.... fair enough. Scored 20+ prem goals in 7 seasons.... did it 3 seasons after these first 5 you speak of.

 

Cantona was a Beardsley or Dalglish type player who lukaku can't even be mentioned in the same breathe as.

 

Comparing lukaku to a deep lying genuis like cantona on goals is like saying frank Bruno was better than sugar ray Leonard cos he hit harder..... just nonsense.

 

At least we're no longer comparing him to Troy Deeney.

 

I was impressed with how he shrugged of the first defender but the way he made wasilewski seem non-existant, shows that in open space Rom is probably the best striker in the EPL.

[Romey 1878]

Edited December 27, 2016 by Romey 1878

[Hafnia]

https://twitter.com/LowerGwladysLad/status/813689829573750784

 

Radzinski poor example. What an awful attitude that little twat had.

 

He was very similar to Lukaku... more similar than most. Quick but zero intelligence and abysmal movement- gravesen used to go ballistic at him.

 

Yeah and there was the issue that he liked to talk to the press alot about moves, rooney should leave etc.

Edited December 27, 2016 by Hafnia

[Paddock]

 

https://twitter.com/LowerGwladysLad/status/813689829573750784

 

[Paddock]

On a serious note though, Lukaku is probably the only striker in the premier league who's capable of scoring from that position.

 

I honestly don't get the hate towards him, we've had players like Marcus Bent, The Straq (sorry Mike) and other suchdross up ront. We finally have a potent striker and alls we do is moan he's lazy and he couldn't trap a bag of cement.

 

Only Evertonians could moan like that ?

[MC11]

On a serious note though, Lukaku is probably the only striker in the premier league who's capable of scoring from that position.

I honestly don't get the hate towards him, we've had players like Marcus Bent, The Straq (sorry Mike) and other suchdross up ront. We finally have a potent striker and alls we do is moan he's lazy and he couldn't trap a bag of cement.

Only Evertonians could moan like that

Costa & Aguero couldn't score that goal?

[Paddock]

Costa & Aguero couldn't score that goal?

You're right tbf, they probably could but it still doesn't change the fact we have a striker capable of doing it. It's a blessing.

[Hafnia]

On a serious note though, Lukaku is probably the only striker in the premier league who's capable of scoring from that position.

 

I honestly don't get the hate towards him, we've had players like Marcus Bent, The Straq (sorry Mike) and other suchdross up ront. We finally have a potent striker and alls we do is moan he's lazy and he couldn't trap a bag of cement.

 

Only Evertonians could moan like that ?

It's not hate... it's annoyance.

 

The whole bent, straq, argument is void Paddock... these players cost us next to nothing. They required little to no "investment" because expectations were low, goalscoring pedigree was on the lowest of scales.

 

When we paid £28m for Lukaku that landscape changed. People say it's not the players fault that they are priced so high - but they benefit from it. When we signed marcus bent he will have been lucky to get a £100k signing on bonus. When we signed lukaku his signing bonus will have been in the region of £5m.

 

The king's shilling applies in today's world. Put yourself out there to earn big coin and expect to be held to higher expectations.

 

Straq and Bent were not finishers. What they were was team players who put in a real shift and they benefitted the team greatly. Individually they weren't going to threaten the golden boot. That's why they earned far less, and cost far far less. Their team mates knew what they were gonna get from them.

 

We can't all of a sudden say "it's ok that Rom is a bit of a shit footballer and lazy cos at least he scores more than bent and straq"...

 

He is not dependable. That lack of dependability is very costly to the team. Players need to know what they are going to get from each other.

 

Example:- goalkeepers. Watch a defence when they know they have "Mr Brainfart" in the sticks vs "Mr reliability"... the defence operates better when they know their keeper can handle crosses they need to take or come out when they need to come out.

 

With lukaku our full backs and midfielders are tentative when he gets the ball. They advance forward with a clear sense of trepidation that in any second they need to shift into reverse and defend another counter attack.

 

I watched the mancs last night. Ibrahimovic- every single time he got the ball United committed forward with purpose. They trust him with the ball and all of a sudden they go from defence to attack. Look at miktehrians goal...

 

 

With Bent we were the same. He hit the flanks and he looked after the ball very well indeed. Strong, good control and a solid workrate. Other players like Cahill benefitted from his ability to allow them to commit forward. Simple as that.

 

I'm not saying I want Lukaku to be out wide... I want him to be able to look after the ball... work for the team and not just be Johnny on the spot.

Edited December 27, 2016 by Hafnia

[Paddock]

It's not hate... it's annoyance.

 

The whole bent, straq, argument is void Paddock... these players cost us next to nothing. They required little to no "investment" because expectations were low, goalscoring pedigree was on the lowest of scales.

 

When we paid £28m for Lukaku that landscape changed. People say it's not the players fault that they are priced so high - but they benefit from it. When we signed marcus bent he will have been lucky to get a £100k signing on bonus. When we signed lukaku his signing bonus will have been in the region of £5m.

 

The king's shilling applies in today's world. Put yourself out there to earn big coin and expect to be held to higher expectations.

 

Straq and Bent were not finishers. What they were was team players who put in a real shift and they benefitted the team greatly. Individually they weren't going to threaten the golden boot. That's why they earned far less, and cost far far less. Their team mates knew what they were gonna get from them.

 

We can't all of a sudden say "it's ok that Rom is a bit of a shit footballer and lazy cos at least he scores more than bent and straq"...

 

He is not dependable. That lack of dependability is very costly to the team. Players need to know what they are going to get from each other.

 

Example:- goalkeepers. Watch a defence when they know they have "Mr Brainfart" in the sticks vs "Mr reliability"... the defence operates better when they know their keeper can handle crosses they need to take or come out when they need to come out.

 

With lukaku our full backs and midfielders are tentative when he gets the ball. They advance forward with a clear sense of trepidation that in any second they need to shift into reverse and defend another counter attack.

 

I watched the mancs last night. Ibrahimovic- every single time he got the ball United committed forward with purpose. They trust him with the ball and all of a sudden they go from defence to attack. Look at miktehrians goal...

 

 

With Bent we were the same. He hit the flanks and he looked after the ball very well indeed. Strong, good control and a solid workrate. Other players like Cahill benefitted from his ability to allow them to commit forward. Simple as that.

But we'll double our money on Lukaku, so your argument that he's cost the club money is void because he'll probably score more goals than most of the shite strikers we've had and then make us a tidy profit.

 

Your argument isn't valid, you don't like him, he infriates you and that's fine, it's your opinion and you're very entitled to it but there is no need to spend most of your time trying to prove a point or justify it.

 

Lukaku is the nbest striker we've had in over 20 years - FACT

 

He is scoring more goals consistently that any striker for 20 plus years -FACT

 

He raises the profile of the club -FACT

 

Omce he is sold we will minimum double possibly even treble our money on him -FACT.

 

It's a no brainer, just because you don't like him doesn't automatically mean he's shite. Yes his work rate can be questionable at times, tes his touch isn't "Alan Ball-esq" but he scores goals and he does it well.

 

Do you really think we could attract a Suarez or an Aguero or a Costa? Not a fucking chance in hell would we ever be in with a sniff of those players and we were lucky as a mid table club to be able to snaffle a regular 20 goal a season striker and to put icing on it we gothim when he was young and will get a massive fee for him. But you'd sooner us have a Deeney who works like fuck and scores 10-12 a season !!

Absolute madnes Haf it really is. You don't have to like him but you can't deny any of the facts stated.

[Hafnia]

But we'll double our money on Lukaku, so your argument that he's cost the club money is void because he'll probably score more goals than most of the shite strikers we've had and then make us a tidy profit.

 

Your argument isn't valid, you don't like him, he infriates you and that's fine, it's your opinion and you're very entitled to it but there is no need to spend most of your time trying to prove a point or justify it.

 

Lukaku is the nbest striker we've had in over 20 years - FACT

 

He is scoring more goals consistently that any striker for 20 plus years -FACT

 

He raises the profile of the club -FACT

 

Omce he is sold we will minimum double possibly even treble our money on him -FACT.

 

It's a no brainer, just because you don't like him doesn't automatically mean he's shite. Yes his work rate can be questionable at times, tes his touch isn't "Alan Ball-esq" but he scores goals and he does it well.

 

Do you really think we could attract a Suarez or an Aguero or a Costa? Not a fucking chance in hell would we ever be in with a sniff of those players and we were lucky as a mid table club to be able to snaffle a regular 20 goal a season striker and to put icing on it we gothim when he was young and will get a massive fee for him. But you'd sooner us have a Deeney who works like fuck and scores 10-12 a season !!

Absolute madnes Haf it really is. You don't have to like him but you can't deny any of the facts stated.

You make it sound like a striker getting 20 goals a season is the recipe for success.... yeah it bloody helps but not when he concedes possession at such an alarming rate.

 

No player concedes possession to the opponents more than lukaku aside the goalkeepers (goalkicks).

 

If he could apply a decent enough level of work whilst even having a marcus bent ability to control a ball and hold it up then I'd be great about him.

 

He was available for twice what we paid for him and we had no takers. Says it all.

 

People would probably believe that there is only a few fans who share my ridiculous opinion of him.... that's far from the truth. Many many fans share my opinion.

Edited December 27, 2016 by Hafnia

[StevO]

Do we concede many goals from Lukaku having a bad touch? That would be a stat that may back up your argument Haf.

 

Because while he has so many flaws to his game, and he really does, he still scores loads of goals.

 

The fact is, once he has left we won't be able to attract a striker who can score as many. There are only a few better strikers than him in the league right now and they are all higher up the table. If we want to get into them Champions League places we need to keep hold of him and keep him scoring 20+ goals per season.

 

Only Sanchez, Ibra and Costa have scored more than him, Aguero is level on 10. We need players scoring goals, he does it with the best of them.

[MC11]

Wouldn't it be nice if we had another striker who could chip in handsomely as well though? Why are we just relying on Lukaku

[Romey 1878]

Wouldn't it be nice if we had another striker who could chip in handsomely as well though? Why are we just relying on Lukaku

It'd be good if a midfielder could do the same as well. Lukaku doesn't get enough support in more ways than one.

[Hafnia]

Do we concede many goals from Lukaku having a bad touch? That would be a stat that may back up your argument Haf.

 

Because while he has so many flaws to his game, and he really does, he still scores loads of goals.

 

The fact is, once he has left we won't be able to attract a striker who can score as many. There are only a few better strikers than him in the league right now and they are all higher up the table. If we want to get into them Champions League places we need to keep hold of him and keep him scoring 20+ goals per season.

 

Only Sanchez, Ibra and Costa have scored more than him, Aguero is level on 10. We need players scoring goals, he does it with the best of them.

Unless people watch the consequences of conceding possession fully then they will never see his cost to the team.

 

Unfortunately for Lukaku the way we are set up requires him to be involved in the key transition of play. He can't do it. His touch is poor and he gets shoved off the ball to easy.

 

There will always be 9 or ten men behind him when he does this but does mean he's any less accountable?

 

Take the Watford equaliser. He lost the ball at a key stage of attack... we went from potentially getting a 2 goal lead to conceding an equaliser. Ah baines, mori, Williams could have done this or that....

 

Well the last 2 yeah but baines was caught out of position joining in an attack that should never have broken down. That's one example of him losing the ball but not one pundit picked up on it.

 

It happened time after time in the Derby, our defence had no let up in the second half - when we found him he found one of their players.

[Paddock]

Do we concede many goals from Lukaku having a bad touch? That would be a stat that may back up your argument Haf.

 

Because while he has so many flaws to his game, and he really does, he still scores loads of goals.

 

The fact is, once he has left we won't be able to attract a striker who can score as many. There are only a few better strikers than him in the league right now and they are all higher up the table. If we want to get into them Champions League places we need to keep hold of him and keep him scoring 20+ goals per season.

 

Only Sanchez, Ibra and Costa have scored more than him, Aguero is level on 10. We need players scoring goals, he does it with the best of them.

HALLE- FUCKING - LLUJIA!!!

 

We wont be able to replace him because any guaranteed 20 goal a season striker will go to a better placed club every single time. We can't have a Suarez. Aguero et al but we have the next level down from that which is still great yet people are turning their nose up because he's not as good as the players I mentioned. I could half understand it if we had the money and pulling power to get one but we don't.

 

We actually have a striker who'll score us guaranteed goals, I can't believe people can't see that we should be bringing in players to build a team around that striker because they are like rocking horse shit to mid table teams which is what we are.

[Paddock]

Wouldn't it be nice if we had another striker who could chip in handsomely as well though? Why are we just relying on Lukaku

It would but we don't have one sowe have to get on with what we have.

 

Imagine having a 20 goal a season striker and finishing 11th ? That's what we done - twice! Lukaku scored the goals so why did we finish mid table? Was it because his first touch isn't great or he can be a bit lazy (still ot convinced of this either btw) because he seems to get the blame for everything.

[Hafnia]

We had a 40 goal a season striker in Lineker... we won zilch. The season before we won the league and the season after we won the league.

 

Do we score more goals as a team with lukaku in it? No. He scores most of the goals because that's how we are set up.

 

If Lukaku played under moyes he wouldn't score as many as he has because the striker was a sacrificial position in many senses. People called us a strikers graveyard under moyes and it's fair to say that's true. None the less we averaged our highest league finishes.

 

It's extremely short sighted to look at Lukakus goals and close off any accountability to other facets of play. Because quite ho early he does impact is pretty badly.

 

NO ONE GIVES THE BALL AWAY MORE THAN LUKAKU.

 

That is a big problem... it's not just a "ah well, the defence is there to win it back"...

 

Why is it OK for him to give the ball away just because he scores goals? It seriously isn't. Check the stats every game. Even against leicester he had a 53% pass completion. Tom Davies was next lowest on 71%.

 

It's not even marginal... it's on another level and it's unacceptable.

[Paddock]

We had a 40 goal a season striker in Lineker... we won zilch. The season before we won the league and the season after we won the league.

 

Do we score more goals as a team with lukaku in it? No. He scores most of the goals because that's how we are set up.

 

If Lukaku played under moyes he wouldn't score as many as he has because the striker was a sacrificial position in many senses. People called us a strikers graveyard under moyes and it's fair to say that's true. None the less we averaged our highest league finishes.

 

It's extremely short sighted to look at Lukakus goals and close off any accountability to other facets of play. Because quite ho early he does impact is pretty badly.

 

NO ONE GIVES THE BALL AWAY MORE THAN LUKAKU.

 

That is a big problem... it's not just a "ah well, the defence is there to win it back"...

 

Why is it OK for him to give the ball away just because he scores goals? It seriously isn't. Check the stats every game. Even against leicester he had a 53% pass completion. Tom Davies was next lowest on 71%.

 

It's not even marginal... it's on another level and it's unacceptable.

No one said it's ok, where have you got that notion from. It's just part of who he is, you can say that about any player, why don't you bang on about Barkley being in great position after great position yet squandering it because he wont release the ball or him jogging around at times like he's not arsed? Or Jagielka who has at times been absolutely shocking over the last few years, Coleman going off the boil, Howards clangers, McCarthy being useless. The list is endless.

 

None of it is acceptable but it's part of our team we just have to accept it is what it is. I just don't grt the cruisade and constant bashing of Lukaku from you and your point blank refusal to give him any credibility for anything.

 

You're an intelligent guy Pete, you're seriously not telling me that you honestly believe alls Lukaku has in his locker is finishing because if you are you have become blinded by your dislike for him.

[Matt]

Another good goal though, ey? Should've had yet another assist too. The 2 things that win games, and he provides them in abundance

[Sibdane]

Another good goal though, ey? Should've had yet another assist too. The 2 things that win games, and he provides them in abundance

No kidding! Can't believe Gana didn't finish that. He's great at a lot but has terrible composure in front of goal.

[Hafnia]

No one said it's ok, where have you got that notion from. It's just part of who he is, you can say that about any player, why don't you bang on about Barkley being in great position after great position yet squandering it because he wont release the ball or him jogging around at times like he's not arsed? Or Jagielka who has at times been absolutely shocking over the last few years, Coleman going off the boil, Howards clangers, McCarthy being useless. The list is endless.

 

None of it is acceptable but it's part of our team we just have to accept it is what it is. I just don't grt the cruisade and constant bashing of Lukaku from you and your point blank refusal to give him any credibility for anything.

 

You're an intelligent guy Pete, you're seriously not telling me that you honestly believe alls Lukaku has in his locker is finishing because if you are you have become blinded by your dislike for him.

No one disagrees with criticisms of other players though - with lukaku it's seen as an offence to criticise him. Barkley annoys the shit out of me but I can see light at the end of the tunnel because he cares and I feel with better movement ahead of him that he will become equally better.

 

The reality with lukaku that really without his goals he is a bloody poor football player. We do have to carry him. His goalscoring is a great asset but it does come at a price.

 

We can compare this and that but giving the ball away as much as lukaku isn't acceptable and is highly costing to the team.

 

The first half against liverpool I praised Rom for doing the the things I wanted him to do and he did them well. I will always praise him for doing things well.

 

The second half I could have fucking throttled him.

 

You are right there are other players we can slate too but no one gets the adulation he gets whilst clamouring to move on for "better" things.

[Matt]

The reality is that his role is to score goals, and he does (creates a lot too) - you can't take it out of his game, so what is the point of statements like that? Without clean sheets the keeper is a poor player - well no shit, but if he's keeping clean sheets, who fucking cares?!

 

No one, not even me, is against him getting stick, but you're so OTT and you only direct this level of consistent criticism and "yeah but" arguments towards him, when there's plenty worse players who aren't doing their jobs but get away with a fraction of the abuse. I can't believe the price tag argument came up again earlier, I thought we put that bullshit argument to bed last year.

 

As for the work rate, I couldn't care less if he ont runs 10m a game so long as he scores, and it's arguably what he does. Remember what happened to Yakubu when he was asked to work?

[Cornish Steve]

No one disagrees with criticisms of other players though - with lukaku it's seen as an offence to criticise him. Barkley annoys the shit out of me but I can see light at the end of the tunnel because he cares and I feel with better movement ahead of him that he will become equally better.

 

The reality with lukaku that really without his goals he is a bloody poor football player. We do have to carry him. His goalscoring is a great asset but it does come at a price.

 

We can compare this and that but giving the ball away as much as lukaku isn't acceptable and is highly costing to the team.

 

The first half against liverpool I praised Rom for doing the the things I wanted him to do and he did them well. I will always praise him for doing things well.

 

The second half I could have fucking throttled him.

 

You are right there are other players we can slate too but no one gets the adulation he gets whilst clamouring to move on for "better" things.

 

Which would you rather have as your centre forward: a player who consistently scores and assists goals, or a bloody good football players (assuming both is not an option)?

[StevO]

We are a bit stuck in terms of getting a back up striker too.

If you are playing regularly for your club and scoring goals, but not at the level above us, would you sign for Everton?

Lukaku is there, he is first choice and chances are he scores more goals than you. So do you go to Everton to play second fiddle?

I really think we'll struggle to get a second striker, unless it's someone who can accept being a bit part player but won't score many. Maybe Shane Long or someone like that, but we won't be buying another top striker any time soon who will be happy sitting on the bench or playing on the wing.

[Hafnia]

 

Which would you rather have as your centre forward: a player who consistently scores and assists goals, or a bloody good football players (assuming both is not an option)?

You see this is what pisses me off. The fact that he is a poor footballer impacts the team - it really fuckin does.

 

What would you prefer someone who scores goals or plays football? I would prefer all my outfield players had the ability to find a team mate more than an opponent player. I would prefer that when a ball is played to them that they can control it...

 

These things aren't mutually exclusive you know?

 

The hypocrisy is fookin hilarious. Valencia and bolasie were getting grief for giving the ball away... NO ONE GIVES THE BALL AWAY MORE THAN LUKAKU.

 

Barkley gets shit for being lazy.... NO OUTFIELD PLAYER COVERS LESS GROUND THAN LUKAKU.

[markjazzbassist]

like the old phrase in sales "cheap, fast, or high quality.....pick 2". same goes. Goals, assists or hard working.....pick 2.

[Shukes]

I s the think the problem is solely Lukaku though.

 

I agree with Haf in some points.

What's the use of having a striker that scores 30 goals if your team only scores 35?

 

Wouldn't it benefit the team more to have a striker that scores 15 - 20 goals and your team scores 50?

 

Perfect scenario would be a striker that scores 30 and a team that scores 50+!....and here lies our problem.

 

Same as Barkley, get the best out of Rom. Work on building a team that can augment Rom.

Rom isn't necessarily our problem, he is an asset that needs building on.

 

Oh and please, we are fucking Everton not Sunderland.

Who gives a shit about sell on value, build players for success not to merc out.

[Hafnia]

No one is saying that we need to go and buy suarez now... Let's go and buy the PSV version.

 

No one is saying go and buy Aguero now.... Let's go buy the athletico version....

 

If a club in crazy enough to offer £60m plus for him then I'm absolutely fine with that. I trust that walsh is fully aware of the type of forwards we need.

 

Just watched liverpool's equaliser... origi to mane to Lallana. Then the goal to go in thd lead. The same... interplay across the front. All players comfy on the ball.

[Shukes]

This is why most of the top teams don't really play with a traditional striker anymore.

[Matt]

I'm out for now, ruining my vacation reading this thread