Hafnia Posted July 27, 2022 Report Share Posted July 27, 2022 Look at it another way, lampard sent him to Villa on loan, he was watching him and got in touch with him to encourage him after his great start, by all accounts he done his hamstring in, missed 2 months and had to get fit by playing matches cos he was in a separate bubble. Worked his balls off but couldn’t get his form back. im not sure about this move but he remains one of the most gifted footballers I’ve seen at his age. Be interesting to see what lampard can get out of him, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted July 27, 2022 Author Report Share Posted July 27, 2022 18 minutes ago, Hafnia said: Look at it another way, lampard sent him to Villa on loan, he was watching him and got in touch with him to encourage him after his great start, by all accounts he done his hamstring in, missed 2 months and had to get fit by playing matches cos he was in a separate bubble. Worked his balls off but couldn’t get his form back. im not sure about this move but he remains one of the most gifted footballers I’ve seen at his age. Be interesting to see what lampard can get out of him, I always said he had all the attributes to be one of the best midfielders around, he just didn’t have the brain to go with it. He still doesn’t have that brain and for the past 5/6 years he’s not gotten any better than the Ross Barkley we had. He’s barely played any football in that time and when he has he’s been mostly poor. He is going to get booed by some of his own fans (I won’t boo him but I can guarantee there’ll be some that will) and that’s not good when he’s mentally fragile. He’s the midfield equivalent of Michael Keane in that sense. If he thinks the moans and groans he received when he misplaced a pass, or lost the ball in a dangerous area, were bad the first time then he’s in for even worse this time. And we all know those instances will be frequent because it’s how he is. He’s 28 now but he’s still that same player he was, he’s not progressed whatsoever. In fact, he’s regressed. He’s not going to help us, his signing is actually going to cause us problems. Like I say, I won’t boo him but I won’t cheer him either. When he left I wished him nothing but failure and that is still how I feel. Matt, dunlopp9987 and Bill 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
c1982 Posted July 28, 2022 Report Share Posted July 28, 2022 He seems a proper div and the fiasco with his exit will be hard to forget but most football fans are fickle (me included) and if he does well, it doesn’t matter who it is as long as Everton are winning. I don’t want him - that’s out of my control but like Romey said, I won’t be booing him - that’s counterproductive. Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted July 28, 2022 Report Share Posted July 28, 2022 The way I look at is this… we were extremely close to relegation last season, we lost our best player and we will be looking at the table a bit too anxiously for a while - hoping that there are 3 teams who just get snotted each week. If he can play for us in a way that his talent can be showcased and he works hard and gets us winning games then it will be worth it. I do think Koeman created much of the Barkley situation, he tied other players down on contracts but said he would see about Barkley, itvpissed me off at the time cos it felt like he was being bullied. Maybe I’m trying to make it harder to feel crap about this move. Romey 1878 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted July 28, 2022 Author Report Share Posted July 28, 2022 1 hour ago, Hafnia said: The way I look at is this… we were extremely close to relegation last season, we lost our best player and we will be looking at the table a bit too anxiously for a while - hoping that there are 3 teams who just get snotted each week. If he can play for us in a way that his talent can be showcased and he works hard and gets us winning games then it will be worth it. I do think Koeman created much of the Barkley situation, he tied other players down on contracts but said he would see about Barkley, itvpissed me off at the time cos it felt like he was being bullied. Maybe I’m trying to make it harder to feel crap about this move. And I don't blame you if you are tbh. Being a fan of this club for the past few years has been torturous! KinL 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted July 28, 2022 Report Share Posted July 28, 2022 2 hours ago, Romey 1878 said: And I don't blame you if you are tbh. Being a fan of this club for the past few years has been torturous! Horrible isn’t it. Rafa calls us small, manages us, does a bad job and takes millions in comp. barkley leaves under a cloud, rusts away and comes back… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Posted July 28, 2022 Report Share Posted July 28, 2022 He's not coming back Haf or are you itk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted July 28, 2022 Report Share Posted July 28, 2022 Just now, Bill said: He's not coming back Haf or are you itk. People who are itk are saying it’s very likely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Posted July 28, 2022 Report Share Posted July 28, 2022 My people itk are saying he's not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wall Writer Posted July 28, 2022 Report Share Posted July 28, 2022 I'm not overly excited about this. From my memory, when he was here, I remember him getting shit loads of stick and his decision making was way off the mark, however, I thought he was a player with great potential. The question in my mind now is, he's 28, theoretically in his prime, but has he shown in the time he's been away that he has developed and is now reaching his full potential. In all honesty, I haven't been following his career too closely, but he doesn't seem to have set the world alight in any way - when did he last play for England? (googled it: 2019). Actually, reading his Wikipedia page I quote: "Barcelona midfielder Xavi said in November 2014 that Barkley is good enough to play for the La Liga club..." Hmm... If he comes, I hope he does well. However, I'm not excited for the discussions that'll be happening on TT if he does. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanmckenzieismagic Posted July 28, 2022 Report Share Posted July 28, 2022 https://www.goodisonnews.com/2022/07/28/everton-old-boy-ross-barkley-drops-transfer-hint-on-instagram-amidst-return-rumours/ I can see both sides really, on the one hand if you take emotion out of it and if we got the same Player back that left us then he walks into this team quite easily, he is light years ahead of the likes golf Davies,Gomes and Gbamin, if we can get him on loan or for a low fee it makes perfect sense, I would rather have him than Winks But we’ve already seen home damaging emotion can be with the Benitez fiasco and people will be wanting him to fail in just the same way they did Benitez It will split the cane base again so it would be a huge gamble so even though he improves us the question is does he improve us enough to take that risk? Sibdane, Hafnia and Matt 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patto Posted July 28, 2022 Report Share Posted July 28, 2022 2 hours ago, duncanmckenzieismagic said: https://www.goodisonnews.com/2022/07/28/everton-old-boy-ross-barkley-drops-transfer-hint-on-instagram-amidst-return-rumours/ I can see both sides really, on the one hand if you take emotion out of it and if we got the same Player back that left us then he walks into this team quite easily, he is light years ahead of the likes golf Davies,Gomes and Gbamin, if we can get him on loan or for a low fee it makes perfect sense, I would rather have him than Winks But we’ve already seen home damaging emotion can be with the Benitez fiasco and people will be wanting him to fail in just the same way they did Benitez It will split the cane base again so it would be a huge gamble so even though he improves us the question is does he improve us enough to take that risk? Benitez got a fair crack of the wip to be fair at the start. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sibdane Posted July 28, 2022 Report Share Posted July 28, 2022 2 hours ago, Hafnia said: People who are itk are saying it’s very likely. 2 hours ago, Bill said: My people itk are saying he's not. I like Bill's ITKs more than yours, Haf. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted July 28, 2022 Report Share Posted July 28, 2022 4 minutes ago, Sibdane said: I like Bill's ITKs more than yours, Haf. That’s confirmation bias right there! Matt and Sibdane 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted July 28, 2022 Report Share Posted July 28, 2022 2 hours ago, duncanmckenzieismagic said: https://www.goodisonnews.com/2022/07/28/everton-old-boy-ross-barkley-drops-transfer-hint-on-instagram-amidst-return-rumours/ I can see both sides really, on the one hand if you take emotion out of it and if we got the same Player back that left us then he walks into this team quite easily, he is light years ahead of the likes golf Davies,Gomes and Gbamin, if we can get him on loan or for a low fee it makes perfect sense, I would rather have him than Winks But we’ve already seen home damaging emotion can be with the Benitez fiasco and people will be wanting him to fail in just the same way they did Benitez It will split the cane base again so it would be a huge gamble so even though he improves us the question is does he improve us enough to take that risk? Fans aren’t gonna be giving him any crap unless he downs tools. If he does he will most definitely get it both barrels. that’s the difference between a player and a manager, a managers effort isn’t seen, it’s all behind closed doors. A player can win over fans no problem at all if they apply themselves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted July 28, 2022 Author Report Share Posted July 28, 2022 1 hour ago, Hafnia said: Fans aren’t gonna be giving him any crap unless he downs tools. He'll get crap for misplacing a pass, and you know it, because it happened when he was here originally. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanmckenzieismagic Posted July 28, 2022 Report Share Posted July 28, 2022 1 hour ago, Hafnia said: Fans aren’t gonna be giving him any crap unless he downs tools. If he does he will most definitely get it both barrels. that’s the difference between a player and a manager, a managers effort isn’t seen, it’s all behind closed doors. A player can win over fans no problem at all if they apply themselves. There will be plenty chomping at the bit to lay into him, he won’t need to down tools for them to be on his back He will become the new whipping boy the second he signs. I get what you are saying about him being able to win fans over but unless he gets a hatrick against Chelsea first game of the season the knives will be out, and even then he will probably get slated for not getting 4 Romey 1878, Matt and Wall Writer 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
c1982 Posted July 28, 2022 Report Share Posted July 28, 2022 My IDK says we may or may not be signing Ross or someone else on loan or permanently - he/she is very well misinformed. Wall Writer, Matt, Bailey and 1 other 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gwlad Posted July 28, 2022 Report Share Posted July 28, 2022 19 hours ago, Hafnia said: Look at it another way, lampard sent him to Villa on loan, he was watching him and got in touch with him to encourage him after his great start, by all accounts he done his hamstring in, missed 2 months and had to get fit by playing matches cos he was in a separate bubble. Worked his balls off but couldn’t get his form back. im not sure about this move but he remains one of the most gifted footballers I’ve seen at his age. Be interesting to see what lampard can get out of him, That was then. He's 28 now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted July 28, 2022 Report Share Posted July 28, 2022 21 minutes ago, Gwlad all over said: That was then. He's 28 now. His talent hasn’t disappeared. He’s just not moved on. He walks into our midfield, it’s as simple as that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
c1982 Posted July 28, 2022 Report Share Posted July 28, 2022 Just read that there’s a new rule where you can’t loan a player domestically in their final 12 months of a contract. Not heard of this - anyone else? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted July 28, 2022 Report Share Posted July 28, 2022 Maybe Kenwright and Moshiri need to be reminded that the last time they got involved with a player signing we ended up with el ghazi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted July 28, 2022 Author Report Share Posted July 28, 2022 1 minute ago, Hafnia said: Maybe Kenwright and Moshiri need to be reminded that the last time they got involved with a player signing we ended up with el ghazi That account seems like one of the many that just chats bollocks for likes tbh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted July 28, 2022 Report Share Posted July 28, 2022 I do recall arguing quite passionately that I thought Koeman bullied the shit out of him. watching toffeetv and baz said he was aware that Barkley was ready to sign his contract, but Koeman was literally ripping him every week. In his words Koeman gave his agent the wedge he needed. I recall Phil Neville getting involved and calling Koeman out at the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted July 28, 2022 Report Share Posted July 28, 2022 5 minutes ago, Romey 1878 said: That account seems like one of the many that just chats bollocks for likes tbh. Called out McNeil getting number 7 before anyone else. Deffo works around the place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gwlad Posted July 28, 2022 Report Share Posted July 28, 2022 2 hours ago, Hafnia said: His talent hasn’t disappeared. He’s just not moved on. He walks into our midfield, it’s as simple as that. But what does that say about the state we are in? If he signs and can contribute then I'll take back my negativity but prefer the younger players we have now to build a team around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted July 29, 2022 Report Share Posted July 29, 2022 17 hours ago, Gwlad all over said: But what does that say about the state we are in? If he signs and can contribute then I'll take back my negativity but prefer the younger players we have now to build a team around. You do realise how close we were to relegation…. Forest have gone in heavy. Leeds have strengthened, Fulham are no mugs. there are 5 subs next season and any side that contains Gomes, Davies and Doucoure can’t be trusted. We have Allan and a few kids. Do you honestly think Barkley on a free is bad business? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted July 29, 2022 Author Report Share Posted July 29, 2022 Well, it's getting closer to happening now. I have very much the same feeling I had before we appointed our previous manager and that turned out to be even worse than I imagined, so I hope to be very wrong this time. Everton, why must you test me so? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted July 29, 2022 Report Share Posted July 29, 2022 On 28/07/2022 at 12:07, Bill said: My people itk are saying he's not. What are your itks saying now Bill? I think he’s incoming. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Posted July 29, 2022 Report Share Posted July 29, 2022 Think whatever you like Haf but He's not coming. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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