Sunderland (Home) FA Cup 6th round

[MikeO]

Won't be played on the 15th seemingly....date of Hillsborough...

 

'Liverpool have always had special dispensation to avoid matches on that date and boss Kenny Dalglish is confident the Football Association will agree to schedule their tie on the Saturday.

"We won't play on the 15th," he said. "The FA and Uefa have always been exemplary and very supportive, and that's great credit to them.

"We've never played on the 15th before, have we? So there you are. Why would they change now?"'

[Finn balor]

I fuckin hate Daglish. Horrible old bitter cunt. Hope he stays with them though. Can't wait to see who he buys in summer

[pete0]

Same day as the national, Liverpool pubs are in for a good day

[Guest blueboy122]

I wouldn't worry about it mate, we haven't got a hope in hell's chance of beating sunderland. It'll be the usual moyes display that we've come to accept in the big games. For some reason the players are never up for it when they need to be the most....this week has been a perfect example.

 

If you think we haven't got a hope in hells chance of beating Sunderland at there place then your a moron. Its Sunderland at the Stadium of Light not Barcelona at the Nou Camp

[Dalziel Kane]

Liverpool in the semi finals IF we beat Sunderland that is, Oh Joy

 

I thought some miserable fucks would have given Chelsea a home draw then realized what stage we're at, but it's still a game in London nonetheless

 

Actually, I'm quietly confident about all this, and it isn't the liquor talking.

 

We CAN beat Sunderland in the north east, won't be easy and then on to the murderers at the last four stage, Yes I'm feeling quietly confident, they are after all an average side, even when they 'won' the European Cup in 2005 that was largely down to the complacency and ineptitude of Milan who just switched off and thought it was a done deal, European Champions my butt

 

I don't want to look too far ahead as there is the small matter of this 6th round replay and anything could happen, but one has to feel somewhat optimistic about the route ahead.

 

Maybe I should just lay off the liquor and late nights but I am quietly confident

[SimonButtle]

If you think we haven't got a hope in hells chance of beating Sunderland at there place then your a moron. Its Sunderland at the Stadium of Light not Barcelona at the Nou Camp

He is right though, i don't think we will beat Sunderland, they are decent at home, and add to that a potential tie against the shite, our cup run is over imo.

[craigb]

we played a bit more football than usual but they out passed us for the majority of the game and we only started to look good when they sat off hoping for a draw

 

I would have to disagree with this point mate, i think the official stats were well in our favour i think it was something like "Completed Passes" Everton 400 - 275 Sunderland ... I would say they played nice bits of football at times but they didnt pass us off the park for the majority of the game.

[StevO]

Not good enough, need more creativity in the middle of the park.

 

We need to get to Wembley to fix what went wrong last Tuesday.

[Eddie_1938]

 

 

If you think we haven't got a hope in hells chance of beating Sunderland at there place then your a moron. Its Sunderland at the Stadium of Light not Barcelona at the Nou Camp

 

Moron, really? We've played Sunderland twice this season now and have failed to beat them. We were very fortunate to get a point in the league game thanks to an outrageous penalty decision given in our favour.

 

More so our record in big away games under moyes is shocking. He hasn't won a league game at Liverpool, utd, arsenal, Chelsea in 10 years of trying. The fact that it's must win means we'll be negative and try and nick a goal because that's what we always do! That's plan A, when that doesn't work we'll stick with plan A because there's no plan B. I know this because we've had 10 fucking years of it now and there's no sign of any improvement. Last weeks results prove it.

 

As for it being the stadium of light and not the nou camp I'm well aware of the fact sunderland are mediocre at best. That's what frustrates me so much because we should beat them, but we won't. Just like we failed to beat a shit QPR at loftus road (not the nou camp), villa park (not the nou camp), Wigan (not the nou camp) and completely surrendered against Chelsea, Liverpool, spurs, arsenal and city.

 

We had our chance to beat them Saturday but shit out again so get real.

 

[Hafnia]

Cattermole and Sessegnon return, not a good thing for us.

 

Controversially after watching the game I now believe that if we can get £25-£30m for Fellaini then do it - he is a top player but for me lacks the all round game that we need. I would like to see if we could get an all rounder who can offer some creativity and guile, he needs better players around him in my opinion. He is a pure defensive midfielder and if he is a £25m asset then could we utilise that money better?

[Lowensda]

Cattermole and Sessegnon return, not a good thing for us.

 

Controversially after watching the game I now believe that if we can get £25-£30m for Fellaini then do it - he is a top player but for me lacks the all round game that we need. I would like to see if we could get an all rounder who can offer some creativity and guile, he needs better players around him in my opinion. He is a pure defensive midfielder and if he is a £25m asset then could we utilise that money better?

 

[Romey 1878]

Cattermole and Sessegnon return, not a good thing for us.

 

Controversially after watching the game I now believe that if we can get £25-£30m for Fellaini then do it - he is a top player but for me lacks the all round game that we need. I would like to see if we could get an all rounder who can offer some creativity and guile, he needs better players around him in my opinion. He is a pure defensive midfielder and if he is a £25m asset then could we utilise that money better?

 

 

So then when we have no defensive midfielder and teams are tearing into our defence we do what exactly? Jesus, you don't get rid of a specialist player to bring in a specialist player of a different sort. You sell one of your jack of all trades players (say Rodwell) and bring in that creative player or you play a creative player you already have (Osman, Barkley).

 

You don't swap one specialist player for another, you play two specialist players together - creative and defensive.

[Hafnia]

 

It's a valid point J - he is very good at what he is - a defensive midfielder, breaking up the play. I find that further up the field and creativity wise he is not that great. If we had a ruck of cash I would say keep him and buy a modric type player but we don't - I would look at maybe getting a lot of money for him and hopefully Moyes could unearth an Alex Song bargain (maybe use the new brazilian lad from city) - but yeah we really do need a creative spark in midfield, sessegnon is that type of player we need

[Lowensda]

It's a valid point J - he is very good at what he is - a defensive midfielder, breaking up the play. I find that further up the field and creativity wise he is not that great. If we had a ruck of cash I would say keep him and buy a modric type player but we don't - I would look at maybe getting a lot of money for him and hopefully Moyes could unearth an Alex Song bargain (maybe use the new brazilian lad from city) - but yeah we really do need a creative spark in midfield, sessegnon is that type of player we need

 

Bold - But he IS a defensive midfield player. That's his position and as you just followed up by saying "He is very good at what he is". Full stop. That's what we (Everton) use him as, so we can't expect him to be good in net too. The fact he's "not that great" up the other end, isn't his problem, he's shouldn't be expected to be the player who defends well, commands the midfied, provide the passes, check the runs, slip through balls in, put in crosses, make defensive clearances....he can't do everything Haf.

 

Red - Alex Song is a defensive midfielder. As is Fellaini. So you want like for like? Even though Fellaini is very good at what he does?

In regards to 'Junior', you play him with Fellaini, not instead of, Junior becomes your creative outlet, Fellaini does the mopping up, the dirty, pulling the ball out the air and distriputing it sensibly, it is then the turn of the CM or CAM to do something with it.

 

Blue - Sess' is a winger/creative midfielder. An entirely different role/position to Fellaini. You would play him with felli, not instead of.

 

Haf, your point isn't valid my man and i think nearly everyone would agree.

[Hafnia]

So then when we have no defensive midfielder and teams are tearing into our defence we do what exactly? Jesus, you don't get rid of a specialist player to bring in a specialist player of a different sort. You sell one of your jack of all trades players (say Rodwell) and bring in that creative player or you play a creative player you already have (Osman, Barkley). You don't swap one specialist player for another, you play two specialist players together - creative and defensive.

 

I knew it would be a controversial opinion and it's not something I am making hastily. He is one of the best defensive midfielders around but my view is that he is the one player we have that could secure the money to get two central players in that we need.

 

For example, let's say Rodwell becomes 80% the player Fellaini is (will it happen?) - could we use the money to buy the midfielder who can give us the spark we need?

[Guest blueboy122]

Moron, really? We've played Sunderland twice this season now and have failed to beat them. We were very fortunate to get a point in the league game thanks to an outrageous penalty decision given in our favour.

 

More so our record in big away games under moyes is shocking. He hasn't won a league game at Liverpool, utd, arsenal, Chelsea in 10 years of trying. The fact that it's must win means we'll be negative and try and nick a goal because that's what we always do! That's plan A, when that doesn't work we'll stick with plan A because there's no plan B. I know this because we've had 10 fucking years of it now and there's no sign of any improvement. Last weeks results prove it.

 

As for it being the stadium of light and not the nou camp I'm well aware of the fact sunderland are mediocre at best. That's what frustrates me so much because we should beat them, but we won't. Just like we failed to beat a shit QPR at loftus road (not the nou camp), villa park (not the nou camp), Wigan (not the nou camp) and completely surrendered against Chelsea, Liverpool, spurs, arsenal and city.

 

We had our chance to beat them Saturday but shit out again so get real.

 

I agree with all of your statments however your saying we have no chance in hell of beating Sunderland away from home due to us not beating them this season? And I am the one thats told to get real? Fuck off you bellend and grow up we have every chance of beating them. Stay ay home and wait in anticipation do you for when the final goes when we lose so you can come on here and have a right good moan. I will be travelling upto the Nou Camp to see Xavi, Messi, Villa, Pique play... O no sorry my mistake its fucking Lee Catermole, Sessegnon, Bendtner and Micheal Turner. Staying at home moaning murtle!!

 

Come on you blues.

[StevO]

We need to get him a partner, not a replacement.

 

Hopefully Rodwell and Barkley can get up a level and join him in there for a very good trio.

[StevO]

I agree with all of your statments however your saying we have no chance in hell of beating Sunderland away from home due to us not beating them this season? And I am the one thats told to get real? Fuck off you bellend and grow up we have every chance of beating them. Stay ay home and wait in anticipation do you for when the final goes when we lose so you can come on here and have a right good moan. I will be travelling upto the Nou Camp to see Xavi, Messi, Villa, Pique play... O no sorry my mistake its fucking Lee Catermole, Sessegnon, Bendtner and Micheal Turner. Staying at home moaning murtle!!

 

Come on you blues.

 

You can cut that out straight away.

 

Disagree fine, but dont be like that. He hasnt been agressive with you.

Edited March 19, 2012 by StevO

[Hafnia]

You can cut that out straight away.

 

Disagree fine, but dont be like that. He hasnt been agressive with you.

 

Agreed - it's a nice forum and debating is healthy, let's leave the insults out eh especially of that nature.

[Guest blueboy122]

Sorry

[Eddie_1938]

 

 

I agree with all of your statments however your saying we have no chance in hell of beating Sunderland away from home due to us not beating them this season? And I am the one thats told to get real? Fuck off you bellend and grow up we have every chance of beating them. Stay ay home and wait in anticipation do you for when the final goes when we lose so you can come on here and have a right good moan. I will be travelling upto the Nou Camp to see Xavi, Messi, Villa, Pique play... O no sorry my mistake its fucking Lee Catermole, Sessegnon, Bendtner and Micheal Turner. Staying at home moaning murtle!!

 

Come on you blues.

 

Oh dear 'bellend'! Do you kiss your mother with that mouth?

 

If you agree with all my statements then you'll understand why I don't believe we'll go up there and get a win.

 

No I base my opinion on the fact that we pretty much always fail to show up for big away games like i said. History proves that. I mentioned the two meetings this season as a point on how difficult it's going to be there...they don't have to be Barcelona to beat us do they? We've failed to beat plenty of shit sides this season and over the years due to poor management. I'd say the majority of this board would agree with me.

 

I'm well within my rights to have a moan especially after this week because I'm sick of us being below par when we need to be on our game. I thought we were going to go through on Saturday but yet again we played to the oppositions strengths instead of our own.

 

I'm fed up of walking out the ground feeling like I've just caught purple aki in bed with my bird. If you want to sit there and pretend everything's fine and that we'll go there and put in a performance then crack on, nothing will change though. Moyes needs to know that settling for second best is not good enough for this club. All these punters and journalists kissing his arse about the last 10 years is doing this club no favours at all. Since when was it acceptable for an everton manager to think getting anywhere close to a final would be an achievement? Well it's NOT, it's small time it's negative and I've had enough.

 

 

[StevO]

Oh dear 'bellend'! Do you kiss your mother with that mouth?

 

 

I've told him, so i'll tell you too Eddie.

No need for the offensive, blueboy was offensive, and said sorry. Leave it at that. Discuss your opinions all day long, there is no need for name calling.

 

Play nice.

[Eddie_1938]

 

 

I've told him, so i'll tell you too Eddie.

No need for the offensive, blueboy was offensive, and said sorry. Leave it at that. Discuss your opinions all day long, there is no need for name calling.

 

Play nice.

 

I just quoted him mate...wouldn't lower myself to Internet name calling ;-) xxx.

[StevO]

Fair enough mate.

 

All is fine, crack on.

[SimonButtle]

Bold - But he IS a defensive midfield player. That's his position and as you just followed up by saying "He is very good at what he is". Full stop. That's what we (Everton) use him as, so we can't expect him to be good in net too. The fact he's "not that great" up the other end, isn't his problem, he's shouldn't be expected to be the player who defends well, commands the midfied, provide the passes, check the runs, slip through balls in, put in crosses, make defensive clearances....he can't do everything Haf.

 

Red - Alex Song is a defensive midfielder. As is Fellaini. So you want like for like? Even though Fellaini is very good at what he does?

In regards to 'Junior', you play him with Fellaini, not instead of, Junior becomes your creative outlet, Fellaini does the mopping up, the dirty, pulling the ball out the air and distriputing it sensibly, it is then the turn of the CM or CAM to do something with it.

 

Blue - Sess' is a winger/creative midfielder. An entirely different role/position to Fellaini. You would play him with felli, not instead of.

 

Haf, your point isn't valid my man and i think nearly everyone would agree.

The point IS valid though, as our "can do no wrong manager" seems to think he can be that all round player and play further up front. So surely that raises questions once again about the tactical ability of Moyes. Thing is J, if Felli is as world class as some of the fans make him out to be, then sat in the middle of the park, he should be taking it on himself to be a quarterback type role, and he should command the central area a lot more than he does, and he could sit there and play passes through, it's not like any of the other midfielders do it. It's up to him tbh, if he wants to be seen as a great then he will take the responsibility on himself and show everybody how good he is, otherwise he will stick to doing what Moyes tells him and nomore. It's down to Moyes imo, and his tactical limitations.

[Blue4Ever]

Cattermole and Sessegnon return, not a good thing for us.

 

Controversially after watching the game I now believe that if we can get £25-£30m for Fellaini then do it - he is a top player but for me lacks the all round game that we need. I would like to see if we could get an all rounder who can offer some creativity and guile, he needs better players around him in my opinion. He is a pure defensive midfielder and if he is a £25m asset then could we utilise that money better?

I hope ur joking. sell Fellaini? he's our best player by a mile would be utter foolishness to even think about selling him. for what to pay the fuckin debts or get a few lower league players get real. he's not an attacking midfielder by the way its just our type of football thats tought and played includes lobbing the ball down the middle of the pitch something I think sunday league players are past at a young age.

[SimonButtle]

I hope ur joking. sell Fellaini? he's our best player by a mile would be utter foolishness to even think about selling him. for what to pay the fuckin debts or get a few lower league players get real. he's not an attacking midfielder by the way its just our type of football thats tought and played includes lobbing the ball down the middle of the pitch something I think sunday league players are past at a young age.

Whilst im highly critical of Fellaini myself at times, i do think it's more of a tactical problem, which comes back to Moyes, i think if anyone it should be Rodwell that gets sold, i don't think he has ever progressed that much, and he does seem injury prone, and watching that Junior kid play for the reserves, he looks as though he will be a real player and will soon be pushing Rodwell.

[marcus jones]

Gerrard/Alonso, Pirlo/Gattuso, Zidane/Deschamps, Sneider/De Jong, Scholes/Keane, Lampard/Makalele, Xavi/Toure, add to that Fellaini/Barkley(I do hope so) can you see the pattern?

[Bailey]

For me the Sunderland game just highlighted our weaknesses yet again, where as this time it was the system we play as opposed to the people within it (like the derby).

 

Our movement off the ball is simply awful at times. Jelavic was probably the only exception as he kept running everywhere even with the shite delivery but we need players to break forward and this is what Cahill & Osman should be providing. Osman proved against Spurs the damage he can do running from deep but he seemed much more content to sit on Saturday. We have one of the best DM's in the business, but he is being wasted somewhat because he breaks forward as much as the rest of them, yet around the box he is the worst. I understand where Haf is going with saying we should sell him but I sure as hell dont agree! Fellaini should be sitting and allowing both of the other two midfielders to roam forward and both link up with the striker. Whenever Rodwell & Osman play in more advanced positions they have good games, yet we seem content for them to be crabs and play the ball left and right. The same can be said about Arteta when he was in the team.

 

The good news is that are CB's are solid. I actually think Distin & Heits are the best partnership we have had for a long time, and while Distin does seem to throw in a shocker every now and then (normally alongside Jags) he was outstanding against Sunderland.

 

One of our biggest problems at the moment is Coleman. He did well against Spurs (which seems to have been completely forgotten by some, although mainly not on here) and both he and Drenthe were barely used at all. It was a bit of a long ball game where we used Jelavic to knock it down to Cahill and vice versa. If we are going to go long ball, then we really should move the wingers in closer to the striker and play more of a 3 up front and play Cahill deeper because they dont get into the game enough. At times Coleman was running across the other side of the pitch just to get a touch and invariably he gave it away. He isn't a winger, and while I would certainly have him in against teams with tricky wingers/overlapping fullbacks, I think he should be dropped for Pienaar/Drenthe/Gueye in games where we should be causing the opposition more of a threat.

 

As for the other winger, I thought Drenthe had a decent game. Yes he was a bit infuriating at times, but he should have had a stonewall penalty as well as several free kicks in and around the opposition 18 yard box and its no wonder he was getting frustrated. I dont like the fact he was arguing instead of getting back to defend but I can forgive him because he is the one player who tries to take the responsibility to make things happen. Plus if you look at the goal again, he was the one that drew the defenders inside and created space for Baines to whip in the cross for our goal, and if Pienaar gets credit for that, then so should Drenthe. People are so quick to find fault with him, much the same way they did with Heitinga (when he first came and when he first came back into the starting 11).

 

Lastly I was actually impressed with Jelavic. I am still sceptical but he alleyed some of my main fears as he is strong, has a decent touch and he has good awareness of whats around.

[pete0]

Thought it was coincidental at the time, but when Jags was warming up did Johnny actually tell Moyes to fuck off?