Cornish Steve Posted November 17, 2015 Report Share Posted November 17, 2015 OK - let me use an analogy. You're a sales guy who sells tyres to Ford. They buy tyres from four different suppliers, including your company. For the last few years, you've managed to win between 10% and 15% of their tyre business, and you hope to improve on that. It takes effort, investment in QA, and so on. Your goal is to win 20% of their business. For sales to Ford, you earn 1% in commission - which translates to $10K per percentage of their business you win. In other words, for each percentage increase, you earn another $10K a year. Someone tells you about this bicycle company that's in the news. They are seeking a sole-supplier deal: all or nothing. If you win the deal, you hit the papers for a day or two, but you'll earn only $1K in commission. What sales guy in his right mind would put his principal source of income in jeopardy in order to win something that generates so little commission? He might ask a student intern to work on it, and spend some time providing advice, but it's no big deal whether he wins or loses. A mention in the papers for a day or two is no compensation for losing a significant sum in total commission. Football teams are no different. They are businesses. Everything they do is geared toward making more money. Yes, brand (i.e., supporters) is important, so you take them into account, but only in as much as they help you generate more money. In business, it's essential you keep your focus. You can't win everything, so you must prioritize - and the criterion used to establish priorities is potential profit. Does that help? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elston Gunnn Posted November 18, 2015 Report Share Posted November 18, 2015 The only debate should be whether Roberto should start his "best team" (no changes) at Middlesbrough if that best 11 win 3 days earlier at Bournemouth. The issue in this scenario is straightforward: can all outfield players who log 75-95 minutes at Bournemouth get sufficient rest in 3 days. Travel is a small factor, too. Presumably if Everton lose at Bournemouth, most on TT would not oppose a few changes for the Middlesbrough match. Indeed, I'd guess most on TT would demand several changes, perhaps starting with a new manager...... (An exception might be if Everton outclass Bournemouth, but lose or draw because of a couple of howler goals let in by our GK. In that case, many might say, keep everything the same, but change the GK.) For me, if our squad are almost all healthy and "match fit," I'd think Roberto could make 3-4 changes from Bournemouth to Middlesbrough, and Everton should win both matches, solidly. Should. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shukes Posted November 18, 2015 Report Share Posted November 18, 2015 Hmm it also grants you a place in Europe. Shouldn't need to say anything else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted November 18, 2015 Author Report Share Posted November 18, 2015 Hmm it also grants you a place in Europe. Shouldn't need to say anything else. In the qualifying rounds so early start to the season after we've had key players away at the Euros. Poisoned chalice? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shukes Posted November 18, 2015 Report Share Posted November 18, 2015 Could be, but I'm so football mad I want us to play every week haha. I think we should hit every option to get back into Europe. Be it back door or by automatic league place I don't care. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanmckenzieismagic Posted November 18, 2015 Report Share Posted November 18, 2015 If you just want a trophy, I'll spend 50 bucks and buy you one. There are trophies and then there are trophies - meaningful, worthwhile trophies. This trophy wins us a pittance financially. There's a reason why Bradford beat Chelsea 4-0 and Wednesday beat Arsenal 3-0. They would prefer to lose because the cost of dropping one place in the league is more than 10x the prize money of this trophy. Honestly, I still don't get why everyone's so hung up about this. The big teams laugh at this trophy, and they play their reserves. Sure, we can go all out to win, but not if it costs us one or two positions in the league. Chelsea and Arsenal are both very successful sides who have won plenty of trophies and who both have bigger fish to fry so its a poor comparison We haven't won a thing for over 20 years, we cant afford to turn our noses up at any form of success, its as simple as that markjazzbassist and Romey 1878 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted November 18, 2015 Author Report Share Posted November 18, 2015 Could be, but I'm so football mad I want us to play every week haha. I think we should hit every option to get back into Europe. Be it back door or by automatic league place I don't care. Always been of the same opinion in the past but I'm wavering. I'd still like to win the cup mind (not that we will); can we refuse the Europa place? Not that we would. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornish Steve Posted November 18, 2015 Report Share Posted November 18, 2015 Chelsea and Arsenal are both very successful sides who have won plenty of trophies and who both have bigger fish to fry so its a poor comparison We haven't won a thing for over 20 years, we cant afford to turn our noses up at any form of success, its as simple as that Of course, I'm exaggerating my argument in order to play devil's advocate. I agree that, after a long drought, winning any silverware would be very welcome. It may be an intangible, but a fired-up fan base would be great to see. Today's report reveals how attendance has shot up, which is great, and winning a trophy would continue that trend - and bring income because of the extra games. My point, of course, is that league position should always remain the biggest priority. Again, today's results reveal all too clearly the financial impact of dropping a few positions in the table. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanmckenzieismagic Posted November 18, 2015 Report Share Posted November 18, 2015 If we were talking qualifying for the Champions League over winning the League Cup then that's a worthy debate . But if you would put a top 10 finish over a trophy then it's a sad state of affairs Romey 1878 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finn balor Posted November 22, 2015 Report Share Posted November 22, 2015 I think with the squad we have now if we get into Europe you could play a second string most weeks and still put a good team out. Boro are a good team. I'd play Robles,Coleman,stones,mori,Baines,McCarthy,Barry,Gerry,mirrallas,clev and rom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finn balor Posted November 22, 2015 Report Share Posted November 22, 2015 Oh yeah and a 1-3 win Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted November 28, 2015 Report Share Posted November 28, 2015 (edited) With RM poor man management of Bournemouth looking to save players for this match I fully expect a victory here. Robles Coleman stones Mori baines McCarthy Gibson Gerry Barkley mirallas Lukaku Super subs Naisy Lennon clev Edited November 28, 2015 by markjazzbassist Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanmckenzieismagic Posted November 28, 2015 Report Share Posted November 28, 2015 With RM poor man management of Bournemouth looking to save players for this match I fully expect a victory here. Robles Coleman stones Mori baines McCarthy Gibson Gerry Barkley mirallas Lukaku Super subs Naisy Lennon clev I would be happy if he fielded that side however I think he will put out a reserve side again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted November 28, 2015 Report Share Posted November 28, 2015 I would be happy if he fielded that side however I think he will put out a reserve side again I agree dunc it think in actuality it will be Robles Browning stones Mori Galloway McCarthy Gibson Lennon Osman mirallas Naisy Subs - baines Lukaku (cause we'll be down) Gerry (cause we'll still be down) Sadly I think the above will play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeQuince Posted November 28, 2015 Report Share Posted November 28, 2015 I agree dunc it think in actuality it will be Robles Browning stones Mori Galloway McCarthy Gibson Lennon Osman mirallas Naisy Subs - baines Lukaku (cause we'll be down) Gerry (cause we'll still be down) Sadly I think the above will play. I would be absolutely flabbergasted if McCarthy is even in the squad for this one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted November 28, 2015 Report Share Posted November 28, 2015 I would be absolutely flabbergasted if McCarthy is even in the squad for this one. Tom and gibbo there? Besic is injured. Dont have a lot of choices sadly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted November 28, 2015 Report Share Posted November 28, 2015 There's absolutely no reason to play a reserve team we have plenty of recovery time till the next game. If we play a weak side I expect to be beaten. I agree. We have a week to recover for palace. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted November 29, 2015 Report Share Posted November 29, 2015 Tom and gibbo there? Besic is injured. Dont have a lot of choices sadly. Besic isn't injured. He's back, he just didn't make the bench yesterday (like Baines). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted November 29, 2015 Report Share Posted November 29, 2015 Besic isn't injured. He's back, he just didn't make the bench yesterday (like Baines). Great news what a relief. Well besic and gibbo would work for me. But I prefer the starting XI and not a reserve side. We shall see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted November 29, 2015 Report Share Posted November 29, 2015 For this game we can make changes and still have a strong team. I'm thinking Jimmy Mac is injured so gibbo or besic the others we could use are baines if fit mirallas and Naismith. I'm thinking kone and Galloway need a rest. Spot on patto. Kone needs a rest, Galloway too, I'd even rest Barry so he can make it the whole campaign. The rest of the lads are young and able. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted November 30, 2015 Report Share Posted November 30, 2015 The OS says Robles will start and Barry and McCarthy haven't completed a fitness test yet. Might be gibbo and besic after all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted November 30, 2015 Report Share Posted November 30, 2015 maybe try Barkley and Barry as the two central players, give Gerry the attacking midfield spot and play Mirallas out wide. I think if Kone isn't fit for it then play Lennon to give Galloway protection. It will certainly get us goals. Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elston Gunnn Posted November 30, 2015 Report Share Posted November 30, 2015 (edited) I'll guess it will be. -- Robles Coleman Stones Funes Mori Baines Gibson Besic Lennon Naismith Mirallas Lukaku Howard, Deulofeu, Osman, Barkley, Galloway, McGeady, Browning Clearly not our first choice 11, but there's solid talent all through those starters, and should win. I will be very, very disappointed if Mirallas doesn't start. No Kone, period, for this one, Happy to see Deulofeu on at 60-70 minutes for Lennon, but he needs a little rest. Also, no Osman starting, please. Obviously can't be sure about Baines, so I guess I'm saying I hope he's "match fit."" Edited November 30, 2015 by Elston Gunnn Hoof_It_Nev 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elston Gunnn Posted November 30, 2015 Report Share Posted November 30, 2015 Forgot Cleverley in above ^ post. Put him on sub list instead of Browning or McGeady. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith B Posted November 30, 2015 Report Share Posted November 30, 2015 Barry's legs looked heavy to me on Saturday. He shouldn't even make the bench for this one. I'd really like to see Baines, Mirallas, Lennon and Besic get some time tomorrow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finn balor Posted November 30, 2015 Report Share Posted November 30, 2015 We need to win to get rid of the stench from weekend. Got to play a full strength team. If McCarthy isn't fit I'd play clev or basic I don't think gibbo and Barry would be good as the two "sitters". Baines to start and definitely keep Gerry in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elston Gunnn Posted November 30, 2015 Report Share Posted November 30, 2015 We need to win to get rid of the stench from weekend. Got to play a full strength team. If McCarthy isn't fit I'd play clev or basic I don't think gibbo and Barry would be good as the two "sitters". Baines to start and definitely keep Gerry in. I have to assume there is absolute unanimity that the stench lingers, and will only be (partially) removed with a win tomorrow eve. The question now is, who are the strongest 11, for Tuesday night? Is Kone or Mirallas the stronger on the left? Is either McCarthy or Barry likely to be as strong as Gibson and Besic? For that matter, will either McCarthy or Barry even pass a fitness test? Would the inclusion of Lennon mean RM is fielding a weaker team? I have posted repeatedly that we should get the ball to Deulofeu "over and over and over." But I think he's more likely to be effective playing 30 minutes than 70-95, so Lennon on the right strikes me as a good choice to start. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shukes Posted November 30, 2015 Report Share Posted November 30, 2015 Looks like Barry was subbed due to an injury on Sat, so both him and McCarthy will be missing. Hope Besic gets some game time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted November 30, 2015 Report Share Posted November 30, 2015 Looks like Barry was subbed due to an injury on Sat, so both him and McCarthy will be missing. Hope Besic gets some game time. i'm ok with any of besic gibbo cleverley playing as DCM, but i do not want to see osman there. i will flip my lid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finn balor Posted November 30, 2015 Report Share Posted November 30, 2015 I have to assume there is absolute unanimity that the stench lingers, and will only be (partially) removed with a win tomorrow eve. The question now is, who are the strongest 11, for Tuesday night? Is Kone or Mirallas the stronger on the left? Is either McCarthy or Barry likely to be as strong as Gibson and Besic? For that matter, will either McCarthy or Barry even pass a fitness test? Would the inclusion of Lennon mean RM is fielding a weaker team? I have posted repeatedly that we should get the ball to Deulofeu "over and over and over." But I think he's more likely to be effective playing 30 minutes than 70-95, so Lennon on the right strikes me as a good choice to start. I get what you mean about Gerry but I think he needs to know he is the first man on the team sheet. Give him the ball from the off . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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