Hafnia Posted November 3, 2017 Report Share Posted November 3, 2017 3 hours ago, Chach said: Hrmmm I dont know, how is Moshiri to blame? I'm assuming that is what you are trying to tell us..... you said the only thing that has changed is moshiri markjazzbassist 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted November 3, 2017 Report Share Posted November 3, 2017 1 hour ago, hafnia said: I'm assuming that is what you are trying to tell us..... you said the only thing that has changed is moshiri yeah whats the deal CHach you're the onlly one mentioning him, what did farhad do wrong? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newty82 Posted November 3, 2017 Report Share Posted November 3, 2017 17 hours ago, Chach said: Only one thing has changed. Moshiri. Yeah Chach...explain yourself to the masses. Bailey 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted November 3, 2017 Report Share Posted November 3, 2017 13 minutes ago, Newty82 said: Yeah Chach...explain yourself to the masses. He's hiding behind The Fonz. Newty82 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted November 3, 2017 Report Share Posted November 3, 2017 Agent moshiri..... fancy that.... he comes in clears debt, secures a stadium site, pays off previous sacked manager, hires a new one, gives him £200m to spend.... Fookin fraud. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete0 Posted November 3, 2017 Report Share Posted November 3, 2017 Moshiri is at fault for not to his due diligence. You can't fault his backing, just he picked the wrong horse, similar to Lerner and MO'N at villa. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chach Posted November 3, 2017 Report Share Posted November 3, 2017 2 hours ago, Newty82 said: Yeah Chach...explain yourself to the masses. I never said he's done anything wrong per se but he's the single largest change in inputs, we're now operating under a completely different business model and not sure whether its just transitional or the issues are structural but to leave him out of the equation is a tad naive. Much bigger businessmen than him have taken clubs into the championship and some of the comments he makes to the media are a little concerning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newty82 Posted November 3, 2017 Report Share Posted November 3, 2017 32 minutes ago, Chach said: I never said he's done anything wrong per se but he's the single largest change in inputs, we're now operating under a completely different business model and not sure whether its just transitional or the issues are structural but to leave him out of the equation is a tad naive. Much bigger businessmen than him have taken clubs into the championship and some of the comments he makes to the media are a little concerning. That answer was too straight. I wanted you to spit your dummy and call us all wankers. Go away. Come back. Try again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haiku Posted November 3, 2017 Report Share Posted November 3, 2017 Some say we need pace. Put Sandro on the left, DCL in the middle, Vlasic on the right and voila. Mix it up with some Lookman and stick with that for long enough to mature. I have no concerns with Siggy, Davies, Rooney and Gana playing in the midfield, as long as Morgan is not there. But I have no idea how to deal with the shitty defense. We need left back, right back and good sane central defender waiting to join us on Jan 1st along with proper striker. That's a must. markjazzbassist 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornish Steve Posted November 4, 2017 Report Share Posted November 4, 2017 5 hours ago, Haiku said: Some say we need pace. Put Sandro on the left, DCL in the middle, Vlasic on the right and voila. Mix it up with some Lookman and stick with that for long enough to mature. I have no concerns with Siggy, Davies, Rooney and Gana playing in the midfield, as long as Morgan is not there. But I have no idea how to deal with the shitty defense. We need left back, right back and good sane central defender waiting to join us on Jan 1st along with proper striker. That's a must. Agree with much of what you say. For the defence, I'd bring through some youngsters. We have Keane, Holgate, and Kenny already. Morgan Feeney joined the squad in France. Give him a start. They will make mistakes, but they'll bring much needed speed and determination. StevO 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowensda Posted November 4, 2017 Report Share Posted November 4, 2017 It could get worse. It doesn't just rain.... Our position in the public eye has always been positive/good, no matter how well we did on the pitch. This could be damaging (potentially). Panorama have a habit of throwing the cat among the pigeons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted November 4, 2017 Report Share Posted November 4, 2017 1 hour ago, Lowensda said: It could get worse. It doesn't just rain.... Our position in the public eye has always been positive/good, no matter how well we did on the pitch. This could be damaging (potentially). Panorama have a habit of throwing the cat among the pigeons. A billionaire who wants to throw money at the club and make it big gets investigated.... Yet after years of Phillip green doing the same but using the club the club to boost his finances that was ignored.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted November 4, 2017 Report Share Posted November 4, 2017 http://toffeeweb.com/season/17-18/news/35761.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gwlad Posted November 4, 2017 Report Share Posted November 4, 2017 Try being in my household. Eldest son RS. Youngest CPal...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chalkpie Posted November 5, 2017 Report Share Posted November 5, 2017 7 hours ago, MikeO said: http://toffeeweb.com/season/17-18/news/35761.html WTF??!! This is ALL we need right now. The bad gets wurst. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted November 6, 2017 Report Share Posted November 6, 2017 37 minutes ago, TallPaul1878 said: This is nothing more than sensationalism. Usmanov gave his shares away to Moshiri, they were his shares to give away and that's perfectly legal to do so. The shares now belong to Moshiri, they are his shares to trade as he sees fit. Moshiri is under no obligation to give the shares back to Usmanov for free. This has nothing to do with dodgy dealing and everything to do with smearing Everton football club. It comes as no surprise that the London based media are trying to dig up dirt on a club in Merseyside. Everton's approach now should not be to go on the defensive and issue statements but to go on the attack. The BBC are trying to paint the club as "dodgy" so that the public have a bad perception of Everton. I'd be getting my lawyers involved now and looking to sue the BBC for slander. You can't let some two bit journalist with an axe to grind drag your good name through the mud on the back of some speculation. I'd have the BBC up in court, hopefully it gets abolished as not fit for purpose as a result. top post paul and i agree 100% Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chicagoblue Posted November 6, 2017 Report Share Posted November 6, 2017 2 hours ago, TallPaul1878 said: This is nothing more than sensationalism. Usmanov gave his shares away to Moshiri, they were his shares to give away and that's perfectly legal to do so. The shares now belong to Moshiri, they are his shares to trade as he sees fit. Moshiri is under no obligation to give the shares back to Usmanov for free. This has nothing to do with dodgy dealing and everything to do with smearing Everton football club. It comes as no surprise that the London based media are trying to dig up dirt on a club in Merseyside. Everton's approach now should not be to go on the defensive and issue statements but to go on the attack. The BBC are trying to paint the club as "dodgy" so that the public have a bad perception of Everton. I'd be getting my lawyers involved now and looking to sue the BBC for slander. You can't let some two bit journalist with an axe to grind drag your good name through the mud on the back of some speculation. I'd have the BBC up in court, hopefully it gets abolished as not fit for purpose as a result. With respect, that line is the whole question. Whether Usmanov retains some right, beneficial or otherwise, in the shares makes this whole question a matter of interest to those who police such matters. The use of multiple, opaque, extraterritorial companies means that to answer these questions will take a lot of digging. I know of nothing untoward, but some of these alleged relationships certainly cause most reasonable people to at least raise an eye brow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newty82 Posted November 6, 2017 Report Share Posted November 6, 2017 Of course it would raise eyebrows to gift someone something and then buy it back off them! I mean, we are talking hundreds of millions of pounds worth. Between them they've obviously got some sort of business arrangement going on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mactheblue85 Posted November 6, 2017 Report Share Posted November 6, 2017 To many like for like players no pace in the team. Rooney, Baines, Jags, are all finished (to name a few) no width. We've lost our way and what we stand for. A team that plays with skill but has grit a will to win. A team who can play or fight total commitment with players who always give 100%. We need a manager who understands the history of our great club a manager who will play the fast free flowing football we love. A manager who will instil a steely never say die attitude in the players. Moshiri wants to run before we can walk Ancelotti etc are the future. We need to get our identity back first we need to rebuild what type of football our great club stands for. If big Sam is his answer then I for one will be handing back my season ticket I could not watch the type of football he will serve up and the type of player he will bring to the club. We must go for a young manager (Eddie Howe, Sean Dyche) who will add some steel to the team and try and play the style of football we stand for and make Goodison a ground they all fear again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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