Palfy Posted September 30, 2023 Report Share Posted September 30, 2023 4 minutes ago, Matt said: Context is for King's, Palfy. The stats showed more shots on target etc etc. If you can't see the stark difference between Lampard, who was a lot more charismatic but also more inept, and Dyche then there's no point continuing really. No there isn’t because obviously my opinion is less valid than yours, so crack on mate Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted September 30, 2023 Report Share Posted September 30, 2023 I know you all love xG but this will hopefully add a little bit more context. We are 10th in xG and we should have scored 5.75 more goals that we have based on the quality of the chances we have created. We are 12th in xGA and we should have conceded 0.18 more goals that we have based on the quality of the chances we have conceded. We are performing like a midtable club, which compared to previous seasons, is fucking fantastic! Shukes, Matt and Goodison Glory 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted September 30, 2023 Report Share Posted September 30, 2023 Just now, Palfy said: No there isn’t because obviously my opinion is less valid than yours, so crack on mate Who said that? Bring your facts to a debate and present them If you don't have them, there's nothing to debate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palfy Posted September 30, 2023 Report Share Posted September 30, 2023 1 minute ago, Wiggytop said: Gordon left in Jan, so that’s one down. Not having a fit striker hurt us badly in the first 4 games, chances were being created, particularly against Fulham and Wolves, we lost all shape when DCL took the he’d injury at Villa. We have seen improvement, long may it continue starting this afternoon. I’m just about to leave for the ground now We will win this afternoon anything else would be too unthinkable, and we will beat Bournemouth next week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palfy Posted September 30, 2023 Report Share Posted September 30, 2023 3 minutes ago, Matt said: Who said that? Bring your facts to a debate and present them If you don't have them, there's nothing to debate. Wasn’t what I said about his record two games ago not a fact. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted September 30, 2023 Report Share Posted September 30, 2023 10 minutes ago, Palfy said: Wasn’t what I said about his record two games ago not a fact. Which is why I'm emphasising context. It was true then, yeah. But with the context of all stats pointing upwards during his tenure so far (shots on target for example) countered the extremely short term thinking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goodison Glory Posted September 30, 2023 Report Share Posted September 30, 2023 The saying goes - trust the process. meaning that as long as the process is right, the results will come in the end. in our context, the fact that you could see more attacking intent and more shots meant that the points would follow eventually. that said I'm not getting carried away bs Villa as there three most important players (imo) either didn't play or played very little (Martinez, Diane amd Watkins)...I still expect three points today. Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palfy Posted September 30, 2023 Report Share Posted September 30, 2023 31 minutes ago, Matt said: Which is why I'm emphasising context. It was true then, yeah. But with the context of all stats pointing upwards during his tenure so far (shots on target for example) countered the extremely short term thinking. But it’s understandable when things aren’t going to plan and supporter’s are disillusioned that emotions take over, and that leads to anger at the situation and things are said that feel relevant at that particular time and not so relevant at this moment in time. But I’d like to think that we all are behind him at this moment in time. Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted September 30, 2023 Report Share Posted September 30, 2023 17 minutes ago, Palfy said: But it’s understandable when things aren’t going to plan and supporter’s are disillusioned that emotions take over, and that leads to anger at the situation and things are said that feel relevant at that particular time and not so relevant at this moment in time. But I’d like to think that we all are behind him at this moment in time. But things were going to plan, the facts showed that. The results didn't, that sole fact was the only negative. So when emotions get high, I fall back on what can't be argued, and then balance the points out. I've said for 10+ years, change projects are the hardest and take a minimum of 3 years. Then we have understandably emotional fans who believe the media clickbait of 6 pointers in fuckin August putting undue pressure on a team that was performing so much better. We need to be more patient if things are to change for the better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CraccerC Posted September 30, 2023 Report Share Posted September 30, 2023 2 hours ago, Bailey said: I know you all love xG but this will hopefully add a little bit more context. We are 10th in xG and we should have scored 5.75 more goals that we have based on the quality of the chances we have created. We are 12th in xGA and we should have conceded 0.18 more goals that we have based on the quality of the chances we have conceded. We are performing like a midtable club, which compared to previous seasons, is fucking fantastic! Agreed. Things are looking up, especially now we have more goal threats and can actually convert those chances. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted September 30, 2023 Author Report Share Posted September 30, 2023 Knock me down with a feather…. Is this a second striker? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted September 30, 2023 Author Report Share Posted September 30, 2023 FFS…. Lucky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted September 30, 2023 Report Share Posted September 30, 2023 2 minutes ago, Hafnia said: FFS…. Lucky Wrong thread mate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted September 30, 2023 Report Share Posted September 30, 2023 1 hour ago, CraccerC said: Agreed. Things are looking up, especially now we have more goal threats and can actually convert those chances. Holy shit that's a blast from the past! dunlopp9987 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shukes Posted September 30, 2023 Report Share Posted September 30, 2023 Don’t usually blame the manager. But we lost that at half time. First half we were creating loads. We just couldn’t defend a set piece. We changed it at half time and we’re rubbish second half. All huff and puff and absolutely no quality. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted September 30, 2023 Author Report Share Posted September 30, 2023 7 hours ago, Matt said: Let's be fuckin clear... he came into a shitshow of a club with no actual forward/striker 9 months ago. Once he had one, we've won 2 games and should have 2 more if not for officials and keepers. He joined 30th January 2023. Played 26, won 8, drawn 7 and lost 11 which is a win ratio of 30.77%. Nearly all that time with a toxic environment, no striker, no transfer budget to speak of, etc. Etc. If anyone thinks any other manager could've turned us around in 26 games, you need that bump on the head seeing to. We’ve lost 14 of our last 17 games at home. Absolutely dumb founded how winning 2 games away from home has somehow created a ridiculous “told you he needs time” knee jerk reaction. All the green likes etc. all giddy cos we beat Villa….. it wasn’t lost on me that he would find a way to go back to his tired ineffective system of playing centre midfielders out wide. c1982 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted September 30, 2023 Author Report Share Posted September 30, 2023 9 minutes ago, Shukes said: Don’t usually blame the manager. But we lost that at half time. First half we were creating loads. We just couldn’t defend a set piece. We changed it at half time and we’re rubbish second half. All huff and puff and absolutely no quality. The biggest change at half time was Luton came out with a clear direction to run their legs of and get back in numbers. our side is poorly coached, poorly picked, the rest is what we see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shukes Posted September 30, 2023 Report Share Posted September 30, 2023 The biggest change was us stopping playing through the middle mate. It made the only option wide. First half we created chances from playing simply forward balls through the middle, and it worked. Second half he made it so our only option was width, and they just sat their full backs on us knowing we had no quality on the middle. Today was squarely on the managers decisions. Bailey and KinL 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patto Posted September 30, 2023 Report Share Posted September 30, 2023 1 hour ago, Hafnia said: Knock me down with a feather…. Is this a second striker? Yes but he is Niasse Mark 2 sorry another blunder in the transfer market. Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palfy Posted September 30, 2023 Report Share Posted September 30, 2023 We went to Villa in the week and put on our best performance of the season and looked like a team that could compete, that player’s and supporters were buoyed by their performance and the result. Then against Luton he makes 4 changes and we fail miserably I ask you what numpty would make the changes in personnel and positions he did to a team that had played so well previously with no injuries to force a change, to put that win into perspective against Villa they beat Brighton 6-1 today they never looked like they could have done that to us with the team we put out. For me the buck starts and finishes with him for the loss because of his team selection which was unforgivable to the players and supporters. I’m really beginning to dislike him immensely as a manager and now I’m starting to dislike him as a person, hopefully he holds his hands up to his mistake and I can give him some credit as a person if not a manager. KinL and Hafnia 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted September 30, 2023 Author Report Share Posted September 30, 2023 8 minutes ago, Palfy said: We went to Villa in the week and put on our best performance of the season and looked like a team that could compete, that player’s and supporters were buoyed by their performance and the result. Then against Luton he makes 4 changes and we fail miserably I ask you what numpty would make the changes in personnel and positions he did to a team that had played so well previously with no injuries to force a change, to put that win into perspective against Villa they beat Brighton 6-1 today they never looked like they could have done that to us with the team we put out. For me the buck starts and finishes with him for the loss because of his team selection which was unforgivable to the players and supporters. I’m really beginning to dislike him immensely as a manager and now I’m starting to dislike him as a person, hopefully he holds his hands up to his mistake and I can give him some credit as a person if not a manager. This. unfortunately for dyche he thinks he’s too smart for his own good. a good insight is his interviews, someone makes a good observation and he disagrees but then chats a load of word salad and more or less agrees with them. can’t be doing with him. Our team doesn’t look like it’s coached. Boston Toffee, KinL and Palfy 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KinL Posted September 30, 2023 Report Share Posted September 30, 2023 I'm sick of us keep changing managers but that result is 100% down to Dyche. I just can't understand why he changed the team that played so well against Villa. Hafnia and Palfy 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted September 30, 2023 Report Share Posted September 30, 2023 3 hours ago, CraccerC said: Agreed. Things are looking up, especially now we have more goal threats and can actually convert those chances. What rock did you crawl out from under?! plaidharper, Matt and StevO 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plaidharper Posted September 30, 2023 Report Share Posted September 30, 2023 Would be interesting to see how many games Sean Dyche has won in his entire managerial career where his team had more possession. If I was a betting man, I would guess you can count it on one hand... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
c1982 Posted September 30, 2023 Report Share Posted September 30, 2023 Poor set-up today - credit for the past week but shocking today and it’s very much on Dyche. Romey 1878 and KinL 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted September 30, 2023 Author Report Share Posted September 30, 2023 did he go on about XG when we beat Villa? Nope, he’s a politician Palfy and Matt 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gwlad Posted September 30, 2023 Report Share Posted September 30, 2023 5 hours ago, KinL said: I'm sick of us keep changing managers but that result is 100% down to Dyche. I just can't understand why he changed the team that played so well against Villa. I said the same in the match day thread. Ridiculous. Crack on and get a starting eleven. KinL and Matt 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palfy Posted October 1, 2023 Report Share Posted October 1, 2023 7 hours ago, Hafnia said: did he go on about XG when we beat Villa? Nope, he’s a politician He needs to stop going on about missed opportunities against Fulham, Wolves, and now Luton and look at himself for why we are losing games to the team’s that will be around us come the end of season relegation fight. The world is full of people who have achieved nothing in their career and cry about missed opportunities and things not going their way, when in reality it’s the decisions they make and their own application that dictate whether they will be achievers or not, that’s a bad trait to have if you are a football manager using lame excuses for losing at home to Luton Town, how about constantly tinkering with the team and then asking for consistency as a reason we are losing. Hafnia and Boston Toffee 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boston Toffee Posted October 1, 2023 Report Share Posted October 1, 2023 He was out managed yesterday = loss Shukes, Palfy and KinL 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted October 1, 2023 Author Report Share Posted October 1, 2023 8 hours ago, Palfy said: He needs to stop going on about missed opportunities against Fulham, Wolves, and now Luton and look at himself for why we are losing games to the team’s that will be around us come the end of season relegation fight. The world is full of people who have achieved nothing in their career and cry about missed opportunities and things not going their way, when in reality it’s the decisions they make and their own application that dictate whether they will be achievers or not, that’s a bad trait to have if you are a football manager using lame excuses for losing at home to Luton Town, how about constantly tinkering with the team and then asking for consistency as a reason we are losing. He’s full of shit. I gave him my full backing and gave him a good chance. Nah…. Those players don’t know their heads from their arses under him. the set pieces are a joke. What are they doing at finch farm? Palfy and Matt 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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