pete0 Posted June 11, 2017 Report Share Posted June 11, 2017 If you can't differentiate between the two or you deem the two of them worthy of the same tar then I won't bother debating with you as it's mental Did you vote Labour when Blair was appointed? Do you feel like a murderer or a terrorist? Albeit you wouldn't have known his course of actions prior to voting but the point is after he committed our nation to such acts do you feel the guilt and weight of those slaughtered on your shoulders? What? No. I was too young. I would have first time round, but not continued once aware of the full facts. So you are aware of a peado hiding children murdering regime, but think it's okay if people want that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EFC-Paul Posted June 11, 2017 Report Share Posted June 11, 2017 Pete if read my previous posts I agree with your sentiment and frustration I can't bare them for multiple reasons but the label all their voters as you have is fucking stupid I'm not arsed about what Corbyn did or said Haf it's irrelevant to my initial point not hard to get a grip of is it!? I've never been his biggest fan but I've warmed to him over the last few weeks and I do like his way of potentially putting a stop or slowing down the problems we face Simple fact is people don't need to be labelled in such a way for a vote as originally said its circumstantial Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete0 Posted June 11, 2017 Report Share Posted June 11, 2017 Pete if read my previous posts I agree with your sentiment and frustration I can't bare them for multiple reasons but the label all their voters as you have is fucking stupid I'm not arsed about what Corbyn did or said Haf it's irrelevant to my initial point not hard to get a grip of is it!? I've never been his biggest fan but I've warmed to him over the last few weeks and I do like his way of potentially putting a stop or slowing down the problems we face Simple fact is people don't need to be labelled in such a way for a vote as originally said its circumstantial How is it stupid. If you vote tory you are voting for them to do what they want all in theory what you want to. So if they are going round killing children, you are the one responsible for giving them the gun to do it. If you hire a hit man you get a bigger punishment than the killer usually. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaron Posted June 12, 2017 Report Share Posted June 12, 2017 Just listening to BBC news whilst in work here, they had a few Grime artists on talking about #Grime4Corbyn and one responce went all Kanye - "Teresa May doesn't like Black People" and then went on to say "I bet she's never shopped in Aldi or Lidl, if she can tell me what the insides of Lidl look like then i'll listen to her." Chach and Lowensda 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted June 12, 2017 Report Share Posted June 12, 2017 http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-40243782 Getting a little nervous now... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted June 12, 2017 Report Share Posted June 12, 2017 Good piece this... http://www.bbc.com/news/election-2017-40245800 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newty82 Posted June 12, 2017 Report Share Posted June 12, 2017 Some crazy crazy responses in this topic. Just further highlights where the problem lies in this country and in others with 'democratic' regimes. They have us turn on each other so that we pay less attention to what they do. Allow us to spread fear, as people in fear are easier to control. It's so blatant and a lot of people have woken up to it. Evidently from reading comments on social media etc, not enough have woken up! It's a shame really because it turns usually good people into angry mobs. Friends into enemies. All the energy gets wasted while the guys at the top carry on with same old same tricks of deception. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted June 12, 2017 Report Share Posted June 12, 2017 Some crazy crazy responses in this topic. Just further highlights where the problem lies in this country and in others with 'democratic' regimes. Better than the alternative though eh? Few Evertonians slagging each other off is a small price to pay if the other option is Kim Jong Un or Nigel Farage . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newty82 Posted June 12, 2017 Report Share Posted June 12, 2017 https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/theresa-may-child-abuse-inquiry-cover-up-concerns-dame-lowell-goddard-stories-a7369976.html%3Famp http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/11224065/Theresa-May-Home-Office-could-have-covered-up-paedophile-claims.html Yes, because the majority are never wrong? Look at the bile of a campaign the Tory cunts ran. Looking at the manifesto you're either a thick as fuck lemming tricked by news papers, a racist, or a selfish cunt who earns more than £80k. The peado stuff has already been posted on here, so I doubt you never knew. NHS alone should be reason enough not to get into bed with them. Haha! Just read this one properly! Pete...with these sort of views, you are part of the problem. You really are. But because you see yourself as a far left kind of guy (judging by your referral to yourself as a Green/Lib Dem), you can't see the wrong in your approach. To answer your deplorable assumptions... Am I thick? No Am I am lemming? No Do I read newspapers? No A racist? No A selfish cunt? No Earn more than 80k? Big no!!! So there is me and many like me, who accepts other people's views on these things and quite happily talks about mine while listening to others, then there is you who calls someone who you don't know all of the above plus a murderer, a cunt, whatever else...which one do you think is going to achieve more if given the chance?!!! Hyperthetical question of course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newty82 Posted June 12, 2017 Report Share Posted June 12, 2017 Better than the alternative though eh? Few Evertonians slagging each other off is a small price to pay if the other option is Kim Jong Un or Nigel Farage . I know Mike. We don't realise how lucky we are to live how we live! And still we'll turn on each other. Sometimes I think we need a tyrant to bring us all back into line!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete0 Posted June 12, 2017 Report Share Posted June 12, 2017 (edited) Haha! Just read this one properly! Pete...with these sort of views, you are part of the problem. You really are. But because you see yourself as a far left kind of guy (judging by your referral to yourself as a Green/Lib Dem), you can't see the wrong in your approach. To answer your deplorable assumptions... Am I thick? No Am I am lemming? No Do I read newspapers? No A racist? No A selfish cunt? No Earn more than 80k? Big no!!! So there is me and many like me, who accepts other people's views on these things and quite happily talks about mine while listening to others, then there is you who calls someone who you don't know all of the above plus a murderer, a cunt, whatever else...which one do you think is going to achieve more if given the chance?!!! Hyperthetical question of course. I'm sorry I don't understand how supporting a murderous regime is not upsetting, and should be accepted... I'm from Liverpool and the Tory government has covered up Hillsborough and managed the city's decline in the past. The current lot murder children, deprive the country of decent health care, and pushed the workers rights and wages to breaking point whilst protecting paedophiles and letting the rich pilfer away the wealth from the county. You've not actually put an argument against my points. You said you never voted tory, I don't see why you're making a list. Edited June 12, 2017 by pete0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newty82 Posted June 12, 2017 Report Share Posted June 12, 2017 I'm sorry I don't understand how supporting a murderous regime is not upsetting, and should be accepted... I'm from Liverpool and the Tory government has covered up Hillsborough and managed the city's decline in the past. The current lot murder children, deprive the country of decent health care, and pushed the workers rights and wages to breaking point whilst protecting paedophiles and letting the rich pilfer away the wealth from the county. You've not actually put an argument against my points. Because you've made no points that are worth bothering with. All you've done is come out with a load of ignorant deplorable assumptions about individuals who have a different view to you without seeking to understand why they have said views or without taking part in an actual debate. An argument is what you want. Again, that's the problem. There's no point in conversing with people with your mindset about things like this. Your posts say more about you than I think you realise. I'll just stick to the football with you I think!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newty82 Posted June 12, 2017 Report Share Posted June 12, 2017 You've not actually put an argument against my points. You said you never voted tory, I don't see why you're making a list. And your not reading posts properly. So it's all pointless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete0 Posted June 12, 2017 Report Share Posted June 12, 2017 And your not reading posts properly. So it's all pointless. You're not putting any substance. You're not putting any argument. You remind me of those people who weren't voting for Corbyn because he's a 'numpty' then had nothing to back up their claims. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnh Posted June 12, 2017 Author Report Share Posted June 12, 2017 You're not putting any substance. You're not putting any argument. You remind me of those people who weren't voting for Corbyn because he's a 'numpty' then had nothing to back up their claims. Well, he's been an MP for 35 years and not one Labour Prime Minister or Leader has deemed him suitable for a ministerial post or shadow post. He's now nearly 70 years old and suddenly becomes the messiah? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete0 Posted June 12, 2017 Report Share Posted June 12, 2017 Well, he's been an MP for 35 years and not one Labour Prime Minister or Leader has deemed him suitable for a ministerial post or shadow post. He's now nearly 70 years old and suddenly becomes the messiah? Most likely because he went against the grain, which is exactly why he is where he is now. He was not wanted by his peers, yet give the party its biggest swing. He gets the public, most MPs don't. MikeO 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EFC-Paul Posted June 12, 2017 Report Share Posted June 12, 2017 (edited) Pete you do realise it was Labour that set the wheels in motion on mass privatisation of the NHS "Between 1997 and 2000, the Labour Government signed around 100 PFI contracts in the health service worth £79 billion." They took us to war & opened a huge can of worms by saddling themselves with Bush in the middle east My previous point being the past Labour regimes have more blood on their hands than most and have equally fucked millions of people over but I wouldn't for one minute label the voters of that time as murderers terrorists thick as fuck lemmings or the ones myself included voting for them now, you're contracting you're own post by doing so No matter who is in charge they will fuck us over in some way shape or form they have since it all began and they will continue to do so but angry daft jibes won't help one bit Edited June 12, 2017 by EFC-Paul Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete0 Posted June 12, 2017 Report Share Posted June 12, 2017 Pete you do realise it was Labour that set the wheels in motion on mass privatisation of the NHS "Between 1997 and 2000, the Labour Government signed around 100 PFI contracts in the health service worth £79 billion." They took us to war & opened a huge can of worms by saddling themselves with Bush in the middle east My previous point being the past Labour regimes have more blood on their hands than most and have equally fucked millions of people over but I wouldn't for one minute label the voters of that time as murderers terrorists thick as fuck lemmings or the ones myself included voting for them now, you're contracting you're own post by doing so No matter who is in charge they will fuck us over in some way shape or form they have since it all began and they will continue to do so but angry daft jibes won't help one bit Absolutely no relevance at all. Come back with something to debate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Newty82 Posted June 12, 2017 Report Share Posted June 12, 2017 You're not putting any substance. You're not putting any argument. You remind me of those people who weren't voting for Corbyn because he's a 'numpty' then had nothing to back up their claims. Haha. You clearly struggle to read and comprehend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newty82 Posted June 12, 2017 Report Share Posted June 12, 2017 Oh, by the way Pete, what are your thoughts on Venezuela? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chach Posted June 13, 2017 Report Share Posted June 13, 2017 I know Mike. We don't realise how lucky we are to live how we live! And still we'll turn on each other. Sometimes I think we need a tyrant to bring us all back into line!!! I think there is an element of that happening globally in the west to be honest, not saying that Trump has gone full tyrant yet but I have never seen so many centre left and centre right people united on the same issues, not since I've been alive anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted June 13, 2017 Report Share Posted June 13, 2017 Oh, by the way Pete, what are your thoughts on Venezuela? It's wild newts, inflation is off the charts, power outages, meanwhile the government officials are living like kings! I was hoping they would default or run out of money or something so the opposition party could take over or stage a coup, but Goldman Sachs (yes the large contributors to the cause of the US recession in 2007/2008) just gave them a massive loan. No joke. Not sure how trump or congress doesn't see that as funding terrorists since our government hates Maduro. Anyways, I applaud the protesters, to be doing it for years like they have. I think their efforts will pay off and I hope they get a better government. I'm a socialist myself but I don't agree with the way they implemented it there. That's for another thread though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EFC-Paul Posted June 13, 2017 Report Share Posted June 13, 2017 Absolutely no relevance at all. Come back with something to debate. If you can't see the relevance and contradiction of you're own words it's pointless Pete! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted June 13, 2017 Report Share Posted June 13, 2017 It was all going so well, had been discussed with respect and then this... :dont know: Matt and Lowensda 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chach Posted June 13, 2017 Report Share Posted June 13, 2017 I'm a socialist myself but I don't agree with the way they implemented it there. That's for another thread though. Its really a bit annoying that all the right wing media has this up as another failure of socialism when pretty much everyone of them operates from a western social democracy, Nothing really works without democracy even with all it's shortcomings. You've got to be able to kick the bastards out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete0 Posted June 13, 2017 Report Share Posted June 13, 2017 If you can't see the relevance and contradiction of you're own words it's pointless Pete!I've already put my thoughts and reasoning. There's only been blah blah back with no actual substance, no why. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chach Posted June 13, 2017 Report Share Posted June 13, 2017 (edited) I've already put my thoughts and reasoning. There's only been blah blah back with no actual substance, no why. You conflated underfunding of the NHS with murdering children and called May a paedophile because she admitted the home office might have covered up some historic sexual abuse in the 80's and then said everyone that disagreed was also a selfish murdering cunt. Not really the basis for a rational discussion. It's never too late to change tack though. Edited June 13, 2017 by Chach Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holystove Posted June 13, 2017 Report Share Posted June 13, 2017 You conflated underfunding of the NHS with murdering children and called May a paedophile because she admitted the home office might have covered up some historic sexual abuse in the 80's and then said everyone that disagreed was also a selfish murdering cunt. Not really the basis for a rational discussion. It's never too late to change tack though. Agree with your post, but to be fair to pete0, many users were (/are) at that level in the Brexit thread on EU-related matters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted June 13, 2017 Report Share Posted June 13, 2017 If he was the worst leader of the opposition ever how did he increase the Labour vote so much? That was because of the general election which worked well but I was referring very unclearly to his work before it was announced. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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