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4 hours ago, Matt said:

Not even close. There were twice as many points still to play for and a transfer window before he got here. He has squandered any chance of making a good impression and gotten us further into the shit

He has written this season off, fair enough, but I am concerned he could ruin us for much longer. Players don't want to play for him. United are apparently eyeing up Pickford and you couldn't blame for being tempted. Rooney was our most creative player (a player who also needs matches to be at his best) and he dropped him. Siggurdson dropped so we could play eight at the back in search of a cleansheet (and we concede 5). I don't believe we couldn't have brought in a proper left-back in Jan if we really needed to (and clearly we do).

Sam's selling point was back to basics and "steadying the ship", but I don't think he's played the same team or even the same system in two consecutive games, even after a win. May can't come quickly enough.

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32 minutes ago, Loose said:

He has written this season off, fair enough, but I am concerned he could ruin us for much longer. Players don't want to play for him. United are apparently eyeing up Pickford and you couldn't blame for being tempted. Rooney was our most creative player (a player who also needs matches to be at his best) and he dropped him. Siggurdson dropped so we could play eight at the back in search of a cleansheet (and we concede 5). I don't believe we couldn't have brought in a proper left-back in Jan if we really needed to (and clearly we do).

Sam's selling point was back to basics and "steadying the ship", but I don't think he's played the same team or even the same system in two consecutive games, even after a win. May can't come quickly enough.

Was saying the same the moment his name was mentioned

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He's helped get the points that should make us safe so job done, as far as his future is concerned he shouldn't have one Moshiri surely must be lining his replacement up as we speak, if not he needs to sell his shares and they can fuck off together with Walsh strapped to the front of the car.

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Not even close. There were twice as many points still to play for and a transfer window before he got here. He has squandered any chance of making a good impression and gotten us further into the shit

Not defending Allardyce but we were in trouble way before he got here , it’s just that some people are either only just waking up to that fact or had pinned there hopes on us buying our way out of it


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I don’t het why people don’t see what happened? Yes we lost badly to Southampton and in a Euro dead rubber, but we also performed much better for the rest of Unsworths matches. Results were up and down, but generally we were better. 
Sam came along, and like Bill said, kept Insworths team together and gained another result.... then he changed it.... do we need to go on?
Not sure how anyone can’t see that this is the worst football for a fair few years. It’s laughable, it’s horrible to watch, it’s aouls destroying for the players to have to play this way. Is it a surprise that so many asked to get away this transfer window?
The fact is that neither Koeman, Unsworth or Sam are good enough. Though either of them would have saved us from relegation.... Jimmy the kit man could also do that.... fuck me, let Rooney take charge, he could save this team from relegation.

That’s not what happened at all, we played well in Unsworths first and last game , everything in between was just as shite as we were on Saturday

Agree with that neither Koeman , Unsworth or Sam are good enough


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12 hours ago, Shukes said:

I don’t het why people don’t see what happened? Yes we lost badly to Southampton and in a Euro dead rubber, but we also performed much better for the rest of Unsworths matches. Results were up and down, but generally we were better. 

Sam came along, and like Bill said, kept Insworths team together and gained another result.... then he changed it.... do we need to go on?

Not sure how anyone can’t see that this is the worst football for a fair few years. It’s laughable, it’s horrible to watch, it’s aouls destroying for the players to have to play this way. Is it a surprise that so many asked to get away this transfer window?

The fact is that neither Koeman, Unsworth or Sam are good enough. Though either of them would have saved us from relegation.... Jimmy the kit man could also do that.... fuck me, let Rooney take charge, he could save this team from relegation.

The bit in bold is the scary bit.

If Sam is still here in the summer we wont have a team left!

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Maybe this team just fucking sucks moosebag now. Like we are not even PL worthy? Maybe if we got relegated (I seriously hope not), it would be a serious wake-up call and Renaissance for this team. I dunno, can any manager in the world turn these bunch of turkeys into a team that we would be proud of? 

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On 05/02/2018 at 14:53, jofanon said:

No one can tell me that a side containing Rooney, Pickford, Sig, Tosun, Bolaise, Walcott, Davies, Coleman is a fundamentally bad one.

Yes its lop sided and yes there are flaws but something is happening behind the scenes at Everton that is causing chaos.

Allardyce is an idiot but he's the 3rd manager we've had this season - there must be something more going on.

Reminds me of when Eto was here.  Results improved after he left.  I wonder if there are one or two bad eggs (could even be coaching staff)?

It could be Moshiri!

 

Think you need to leave Bolasie out the equation he is absolutely awful another waste of money 30 mill for someone who has no end product.

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11 hours ago, duncanmckenzieismagic said:


That’s not what happened at all, we played well in Unsworths first and last game , everything in between was just as shite as we were on Saturday

Agree with that neither Koeman , Unsworth or Sam are good enough

 

I agree we were shit in the rest of the matches, but it was still a lesser degree shit than Sam and Koeman. You could see signs of improvement.

Young players were coming in and playing really well. It was a small step forward. 

You may not see it like that, but it doesnt mean others didn’t see it a different way.

Still wasn’t near enough good enough, but it wasn’t this dreadful, boring, dull, downhill slide we are seeing now. I’m just praying the lads can give us something to cling onto on Saturday because I am so depressed with our play at the moment.

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14 hours ago, duncanmckenzieismagic said:


Not defending Allardyce but we were in trouble way before he got here , it’s just that some people are either only just waking up to that fact or had pinned there hopes on us buying our way out of it

 

But you said we were in a worse state before he came. Potential points we were not, recruitment was still a possibility. Allardyce, along with Walsh, has squandered these things, and I'd be amazed if anyone thought we were in a better position now - factually we were not.

I don't believe anyone is now "waking up"; I'm pretty sure all who were not worried, were not worried because there was time and opportunity to improve and had faith that even though we were in the shit, we could pull ourselves out of it. There is now no real basis for hope; we cannot buy our way out of this, and points are fading quickly with a manager who refuses to take accountability.

Allardyce, at the time he was appointed, was not required. His appointment was based on panic and anger following delusional expectations being utterly shattered following a massive spending spree; like a kid on a sugar-crash. A relegation specialist now is required, and the one we've got is fucking useless, even worse, detrimental. 

3 hours ago, Shukes said:

I agree we were shit in the rest of the matches, but it was still a lesser degree shit than Sam and Koeman. You could see signs of improvement.

Young players were coming in and playing really well. It was a small step forward. 

You may not see it like that, but it doesnt mean others didn’t see it a different way.

Still wasn’t near enough good enough, but it wasn’t this dreadful, boring, dull, downhill slide we are seeing now. I’m just praying the lads can give us something to cling onto on Saturday because I am so depressed with our play at the moment.

Bingo.

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Bingo.

I really do get that people aren’t happy with Allardyce I just struggle to see why people believe Unsworth was the answer

 

His record was terrible, in his run of games we played sides who were down the bottom with us who were also struggling and yet we managed to make them all look like world beaters

 

The facts are that we were in a far more precarious position before he was appointed. We were 16th in the table just 2 points above the drop zone and 4 points off the bottom of the table

 

You can talk about there potentially being more points to play for at the time or potential signings all you like but at the end of the day it’s points on the board that counts and potential means nothing

 

 

 

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3 minutes ago, duncanmckenzieismagic said:

I really do get that people aren’t happy with Allardyce I just struggle to see why people believe Unsworth was the answer

 

His record was terrible, in his run of games we played sides who were down the bottom with us who were also struggling and yet we managed to make them all look like world beaters

 

The facts are that we were in a far more precarious position before he was appointed. We were 16th in the table just 2 points above the drop zone and 4 points off the bottom of the table

 

You can talk about there potentially being more points to play for at the time or potential signings all you like but at the end of the day it’s points on the board that counts and potential means nothing

Potential is just that, potential. We were in a shit place, playing mostly shit football, but there was more potential for improvement. Now there is even less potential than before, so how are we not in a more precarious situation now under the supposed relegation expert?

I'm not going to go through my opinions on Unsworth, they're well documented and we'll just never agree on something that's now irrelevant :)

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11 hours ago, chalkpie said:

He has no middle product either.

 

13 hours ago, patto said:

Think you need to leave Bolasie out the equation he is absolutely awful another waste of money 30 mill for someone who has no end product.

I remember getting slated for saying that kind of a player when we signed him :lol: 

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Potential is just that, potential. We were in a shit place, playing mostly shit football, but there was more potential for improvement. Now there is even less potential than before, so how are we not in a more precarious situation now under the supposed relegation expert?
I'm not going to go through my opinions on Unsworth, they're well documented and we'll just never agree on something that's now irrelevant


We are now 10th as opposed to 16th , we are 7 points off the relegation zone as opposed to 2 and we are 11 points off bottom place as opposed to 4

Not sure how you can say we are not in a less precarious position

Oh and if we want to talk potential there are less potential points up for grabs for the teams below us to catch up !


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I'm with Dunc on this one. I was way more worried about relegation under Koeman and Unsworth than I am now. The above post regarding points of the relegation spots backs that up.

Now if we're talking style of play and our future beyond this season however... :unsure:

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44 minutes ago, duncanmckenzieismagic said:

 


We are now 10th as opposed to 16th , we are 7 points off the relegation zone as opposed to 2 and we are 11 points off bottom place as opposed to 4

Not sure how you can say we are not in a less precarious position

Oh and if we want to talk potential there are less potential points up for grabs for the teams below us to catch up !

 

 

There were 80 points for a poor performing team to play for when Unsworth took over (around that at least), there are now 36 and only 7 points off relegation and no possibility to reinforce the squad. Not sure how you can see that as anything but worse :lol: 

The last line I agree with, the issue there is we're on a slippery slope again (currently 3rd from bottom in terms of the form table) with other teams that were written off being in some kind of resurgence in Swansea, West Ham, Southampton, Palace... The only potential comfort is other teams being much worse I guess, but that's not any comfort.

edit: That 7 point gap incidently, is the same amount of points Unsworth got in his 5 Premier League games. Just sayin...

 

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I wasn't worried at all when Unsy got the Job, it took him a few games to sort the mess out and just when he had they give it to this moron,  Unsy just got the team right for a four nil win, then Allardyce kept Unsys team for his first game and won again for back to back wins.  He then decided to try his way and its gone downhill since if you take away the 6 points that Unsys team won Allardyce is even worse than most people think.

I've said from the word go that we wouldn't get relegated, but this club is in turmoil and i have seen better football from a Sunday Pub team, and thats what needs changing but he is constantly playing shite, it is foreign to most of our players to play in their own half, and he has destroyed them as players who can play football, i never felt this bad when Smith and Lee were here, we probably lost as many games but at least they tried to play football in the opponents half.

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49 minutes ago, duncanmckenzieismagic said:

 


We are now 10th as opposed to 16th , we are 7 points off the relegation zone as opposed to 2 and we are 11 points off bottom place as opposed to 4

Not sure how you can say we are not in a less precarious position

Oh and if we want to talk potential there are less potential points up for grabs for the teams below us to catch up !

 

 

We were 13th, presumably 5 points off relegation when Allardyce took over or are you chalking the West Ham game up for Allardyce to suit your argument? 

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There were 80 points for a poor performing team to play for when Unsworth took over (around that at least), there are now 36 and only 7 points off relegation and no possibility to reinforce the squad. Not sure how you can see that as anything but worse :lol: 
The last line I agree with, the issue there is we're on a slippery slope again (currently 3rd from bottom in terms of the form table) with other teams that were written off being in some kind of resurgence in Swansea, West Ham, Southampton, Palace... The only potential comfort is other teams being much worse I guess, but that's not any comfort.
edit: That 7 point gap incidently, is the same amount of points Unsworth got in his 5 Premier League games. Just sayin...
 


I don’t see it as worse because I’m looking at the facts

The facts are we are higher up the table and have a bigger gap between us and the relegation zone. The fact that there are less points to play for is a positive as it means there is less room for manoeuvre for the sides below us


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We were 13th, presumably 5 points off relegation when Allardyce took over or are you chalking the West Ham game up for Allardyce to suit your argument? 

No not at all

The argument is whether or not we are in a more precarious position now or before Allardyce was appointed and he was appointed before the West Han game

What’s to say that his presence in the stands that night didn’t give the players the lift they needed to beat West Ham?


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4 minutes ago, duncanmckenzieismagic said:

 


I don’t see it as worse because I’m looking at the facts

The facts are we are higher up the table and have a bigger gap between us and the relegation zone. The fact that there are less points to play for is a positive as it means there is less room for manoeuvre for the sides below us

 

 

As am I. 7 points with 50 points less to play for is a worse situation that 5 points and 80 :) The "higher up the table" argument isn'tt relevant, the number of points is. If you're more reassured that we are a grand total of 2 points better off (in terms of being above the bottom 3) after another 12 or so games following Allardyce took over, then I give up. 

How is "The less room for manoeuvre" argument reassuring?! It applies to us too, and the worry is that our form from the last 6 games puts us in the bottom 3 whilst teams below us are improving their form? 

Finding it rather amusing that I'm the doom-merchant after trying to be so positive for so long, and you've gone from negative to the champion of hope :lol: 

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As am I. 7 points with 50 points less to play for is a worse situation that 5 points and 80  The "higher up the table" argument isn'ttt relevant, the number of points is. If you're more reassured that we are a grand total of 2 points better off (in terms of being above the bottom 3) after another 12 or so games following Allardyce took over, then I give up. 
How is "The less room for manoeuvre" argument reassuring?! It applies to us too, and the worry is that our form from the last 6 games puts us in the bottom 3 whilst teams below us are improving their form? 
Finding it rather amusing that I'm the doom-merchant after trying to be so positive for so long, and you've gone from negative to the champion of hope :lol: 

Don’t confuse it with hope , I still think we are shite and that we are far from safe , I’m just less worried than I was when we were only 4 points off the bottom of the table


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5 minutes ago, duncanmckenzieismagic said:


No not at all

The argument is whether or not we are in a more precarious position now or before Allardyce was appointed and he was appointed before the West Han game

What’s to say that his presence in the stands that night didn’t give the players the lift they needed to beat West Ham?

 

Come off it Dunc... your previous point alluded to you only talking about facts and now you are opining that Sams presence was the reason we won despite the fact being that it was Unsworths team & tactics. 

It' not like Allardyces presence in the stands has been of much help since then either! 😂

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Come off it Dunc... your previous point alluded to you only talking about facts and now you are opining that Sams presence was the reason we won despite the fact being that it was Unsworths team & tactics. 
It' not like Allardyces presence in the stands has been of much help since then either!


The facts are he was appointed, if not officially unveiled , before the West Ham game


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1 hour ago, duncanmckenzieismagic said:

I really do get that people aren’t happy with Allardyce I just struggle to see why people believe Unsworth was the answer

 

 

 

Absolutely. The rose-tinted look back at Unsworth's games in charge is baffling. He wasn't up to the job. That said, which manager would be with this group of players?

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10 minutes ago, Bailey said:

Come off it Dunc... your previous point alluded to you only talking about facts and now you are opining that Sams presence was the reason we won despite the fact being that it was Unsworths team & tactics. 

It' not like Allardyces presence in the stands has been of much help since then either! 😂

You think it had zero effect on the players, then? They weren't bothered by the new manager being in the stands?

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10 minutes ago, Matt said:

As am I. 7 points with 50 points less to play for is a worse situation that 5 points and 80 :) The "higher up the table" argument isn'ttt relevant, the number of points is. If you're more reassured that we are a grand total of 2 points better off (in terms of being above the bottom 3) after another 12 or so games following Allardyce took over, then I give up. 

How is "The less room for manoeuvre" argument reassuring?! It applies to us too, and the worry is that our form from the last 6 games puts us in the bottom 3 whilst teams below us are improving their form? 

Finding it rather amusing that I'm the doom-merchant after trying to be so positive for so long, and you've gone from negative to the champion of hope :lol: 

We may only be 7 points from a relegation spot but to counter react that we are only 5 points from 7th and a possible European spot, I think the best position we've been in since the season got going was 8 points from relegation spot and 4 points from 7th, so where's the big problem we are destined for mid table mediocrity, let's just get rid of Walsh and Allardyce and move on.

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3 minutes ago, Formby said:

You think it had zero effect on the players, then? They weren't bothered by the new manager being in the stands?

The stability certainly had an impact (which has been argued that if Unsworth had had that backing, the performances could’ve been better), but it was still Unsworth who did training, match prep, picked the squad, made subs, etc. The West Ham game was down to Unsworth, that can’t really be argued against!

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2 minutes ago, Palfy said:

We may only be 7 points from a relegation spot but to counter react that we are only 5 points from 7th and a possible European spot, I think the best position we've been in since the season got going was 8 points from relegation spot and 4 points from 7th, so where's the big problem we are destined for mid table mediocrity, let's just get rid of Walsh and Allardyce and move on.

All that shows to me is that in a couple of games you go from relegation candidates to Europa League hopefuls. Trouble is, because things are so tight, it goes both ways and our form is getting worse whilst some below us are getting better

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23 minutes ago, duncanmckenzieismagic said:


Don’t confuse it with hope , I still think we are shite and that we are far from safe , I’m just less worried than I was when we were only 4 points off the bottom of the table

 

And i find that baffling for all the reasons I’ve stated :lol: 

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The way he’s talking about the players- slagging them off etc I’ll he surprised if any of them perform for him. The whole situation is just a huge mess- poor appointments, poor recruitment, poor transfers, poor decion making, poor everything. We just seem to be stumbling from one disaster to another with no direction- Allerdyce was a bad appointment, the fans will never accept him bith himself and the players know he wont be here for the long term so are both looking to hit the minimum requirement and that’s to stay up.

Whole fucking thing is a complete mess and the blame lies with many parties. From Moshiri and the board to 2 managerial teams all the way to the half arsed performances from the players. The club doesn’t deserve the fans they really don’t.

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The way he’s talking about the players- slagging them off etc I’ll he surprised if any of them perform for him. The whole situation is just a huge mess- poor appointments, poor recruitment, poor transfers, poor decion making, poor everything. We just seem to be stumbling from one disaster to another with no direction- Allerdyce was a bad appointment, the fans will never accept him bith himself and the players know he wont be here for the long term so are both looking to hit the minimum requirement and that’s to stay up.
Whole fucking thing is a complete mess and the blame lies with many parties. From Moshiri and the board to 2 managerial teams all the way to the half arsed performances from the players. The club doesn’t deserve the fans they really don’t.


Amen to that!

Steve Walsh is the common denominator in all of this so IMO he has to go halves on the taxi with Sam


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15 minutes ago, Paddock said:

The way he’s talking about the players- slagging them off etc I’ll he surprised if any of them perform for him. The whole situation is just a huge mess- poor appointments, poor recruitment, poor transfers, poor decion making, poor everything. We just seem to be stumbling from one disaster to another with no direction- Allerdyce was a bad appointment, the fans will never accept him bith himself and the players know he wont be here for the long term so are both looking to hit the minimum requirement and that’s to stay up.

Whole fucking thing is a complete mess and the blame lies with many parties. From Moshiri and the board to 2 managerial teams all the way to the half arsed performances from the players. The club doesn’t deserve the fans they really don’t.

The concerning thing when it comes to the players, besides as you rightly pointed out they act like they don't give a shit, is that they have come here for big transfer fees and in most cases far above what they are actually worth, now with big transfer fees comes long and lucrative contracts, for me Moshiri has been a fool and he as proved the old adage a fool is easily parted from his money.

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9 minutes ago, duncanmckenzieismagic said:

 


Amen to that!

Steve Walsh is the common denominator in all of this so IMO he has to go halves on the taxi with Sam

 

 

Yep- for me, they both go in May- not halfway through the summer. Last game of the season out the way ship them out get the new man in straight away. Nobody is sold until he has them back in training and has spoken to them all and we start again from there. 

One thing for certain is we’re in that much of a mess it wont be a quick fix, we’ve regressed 3 years imo and it’ll take at least 2 to get us right again. Horrible situation.

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2 minutes ago, Paddock said:

Yep- for me, they both go in May- not halfway through the summer. Last game of the season out the way ship them out get the new man in straight away. Nobody is sold until he has them back in training and has spoken to them all and we start again from there. 

One thing for certain is we’re in that much of a mess it wont be a quick fix, we’ve regressed 3 years imo and it’ll take at least 2 to get us right again. Horrible situation.

Fuck me you know how to depress the fuck out of someone, say something positive Pad please we need the love :D

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58 minutes ago, Palfy said:

Fuck me you know how to depress the fuck out of someone, say something positive Pad please we need the love :D

We'll be ok once we get a decent manager in, this squad has got some very talented players in it but  they are not performing, and what baffles me is why not..:blink:

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4 hours ago, Formby said:

You think it had zero effect on the players, then? They weren't bothered by the new manager being in the stands?

I think it probably spurred them to a decent performance in the hope that someone might come in with a bid for them in the window; seems more plausible to me than excitement about being managed by a clueless lump of lard.

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4 hours ago, Bill said:

We'll be ok once we get a decent manager in, this squad has got some very talented players in it but  they are not performing, and what baffles me is why not..:blink:

3 different managers have failed to get a tune out of them up to know. What makes you think a different manager will? 

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7 hours ago, Palfy said:

The concerning thing when it comes to the players, besides as you rightly pointed out they act like they don't give a shit, is that they have come here for big transfer fees and in most cases far above what they are actually worth, now with big transfer fees comes long and lucrative contracts, for me Moshiri has been a fool and he as proved the old adage a fool is easily parted from his money.

This falls fairly and squarely on the manager. He's the leader. He's the one who inspires, who encourages, who cajoles, who praises, who sympathizes, who gets everyone to pull together for the good of the team. It comes with the job. Blaming players is, quite simply, pathetic and abrogating responsibility. If you must resort to blaming your team, you've failed as a leader. It's as simple as that.

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8 hours ago, Formby said:

You think it had zero effect on the players, then? They weren't bothered by the new manager being in the stands?

Its irrelevant what I think as I was arguing about facts. Fact is Unsworth was manager and Allardyce wasn't. Everything else is guess work because if you believe that the decision being made was key, then you can also argue that if the decision was made to appoint Unsworth straight away then he would have experienced the same lift and therefore obtained more points along the way. 

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4 hours ago, Cornish Steve said:

Two failed. The third wasn't really given a chance, despite showing signs of turning things around.

It would appear the PE teacher doesn't fancy a chance since he just turned down Oxford.

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I'm not really sure why people think Unsworth had us looking up. His best managerial performance came after his replacement was announced, where days earlier Southampton put 4 past us. 2 days prior to that we conceded 5 at home. I wasn't watching us and thinking potential, it looked like we'd lose every game at that point just prior to West Ham.

Granted I'm not thinking potential now either, but I think it's a bit revisionist to think there was more hope at any point in the season than now. We've got 12 games coming up, 2 of those against top 4 sides at home. Right now is the best run we'll have all season, and being an eternal optimist I really hope behind the scenes the players, staff and Sam are trying to sort their shit and actually finish this season with some modicum of respect for the club, fans and themselves.

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10 hours ago, Cornish Steve said:

This falls fairly and squarely on the manager. He's the leader. He's the one who inspires, who encourages, who cajoles, who praises, who sympathizes, who gets everyone to pull together for the good of the team. It comes with the job. Blaming players is, quite simply, pathetic and abrogating responsibility. If you must resort to blaming your team, you've failed as a leader. It's as simple as that.

Nailed it on the head for me here Steve

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10 hours ago, Cornish Steve said:

Two failed. The third wasn't really given a chance, despite showing signs of turning things around.

How was he turning it around? We looked piss poor in every game bar his last against a very poor and out of sorts West Ham which some would argue having the new manager in the stands could have given some of the lads a physiological kick up the arse 

Watford we got very lucky to come away with three points and bar those two wins we were absolutely terrible

Played 8 L-5 W-2 D-1 isn'ttt showing any signs of turning it around 

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10 hours ago, Cornish Steve said:

Two failed. The third wasn't really given a chance, despite showing signs of turning things around.

Unsworth failed. how difficult is it to understand that? 

We beat a shocking west ham but were destroyed by an awful Southampton... unsworth wasn't the answer.

I was all for unsworth. But he wasn't good enough. His subs and selections were poor. He's a nice guy and all tga  but no.... not ready. 

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Whilst we are at it.... I couldn't give a crap that fat Sam was partial to a bung or that he's a prick and that unsworth is a top lad.  

Fact is.... neither are good enough for the job. 

I would sooner have a good honourable guy managing our club but above all they need to be good at what they do.

Anyone seen the film Roadhouse?..... our club is the double deuce. At the moment it's chaos, it needs cleaning up big time. Employee's taking the piss and stealing a living, customers fighting amongst themselves, we need a serious clear out and that happens when we identify all of those responsible for contributing to it's pathetic state. 

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11 hours ago, Bailey said:

Its irrelevant what I think as I was arguing about facts. Fact is Unsworth was manager and Allardyce wasn't. Everything else is guess work because if you believe that the decision being made was key, then you can also argue that if the decision was made to appoint Unsworth straight away then he would have experienced the same lift and therefore obtained more points along the way. 

Not disputing your facts; just questioning whether you really thought an incoming manager watching from the stands has no effect on a team's performance. Difficult to quantify, admittedly, but certainly not out of the question, I would think. 

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1 hour ago, hafnia said:

Unsworth failed. how difficult is it to understand that? 

We beat a shocking west ham but were destroyed by an awful Southampton... unsworth wasn't the answer.

I was all for unsworth. But he wasn't good enough. His subs and selections were poor. He's a nice guy and all tga  but no.... not ready. 

 

1 hour ago, EFC-Paul said:

How was he turning it around? We looked piss poor in every game bar his last against a very poor and out of sorts West Ham which some would argue having the new manager in the stands could have given some of the lads a physiological kick up the arse 

Watford we got very lucky to come away with three points and bar those two wins we were absolutely terrible

Played 8 L-5 W-2 D-1 isn'tttt showing any signs of turning it around 

Context is important here, guys. How did he fail? Europa was already a write-off, League Cup was a nice to have. 50% of points won in the league (luck or not, we won the points). He is the one that inherited the shitstorm from Koeman and tried to bring some semblence of stability and confidence back to the side (meanwhile Fat Sam has taken every opportunity to undermine the squad a. People are using the Koeman disaster as an excuse to borderline defend Allardyce (how could he do well with this squad, they're shit, etc.) who is supposedly an expert at stabilising shit teams, but Unsworth was expected to without backing or experience in 8 games?! Fuck me.

He didn't fail for the same reason he didn't succeed; he didn't have time to prove either way, and he wasn't backed to.

In my eyes, the football was improving slowly, and it was always going to take more than a season to undo the mess Koeman left behind. But at least I felt like we had a chance with Unsworth, at least he gave the impression that he wanted to unite a decimated squad. Under this one, I expect nothing but a thrashing week after week, with him pointing the fingers at everyone one but himself.

14 minutes ago, hafnia said:

The west ham game could have very easily gone the other way. It was a far from convincing performance in my book. Their missed penalty was key. 

But it didnt, and everyone in the team, even Kenwright if I remember correctly, gave Unsworth credit for the victory. Lets not try and re-write history - it was a 4-0 win as much as the Southampton game was a 4-0 spanking. The scorelines kinda give that away.

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We've been spanked by a very good Spurs side and Arsenal who seem to have found some balance to their side bar those two and the loss to Bournemouth we've done quite well result wise 

I want the man out as quick as the next but Unsworth as much as I like the man wasn't turning anything around I could go into depth and flip things but I don't have the time for the man nor do I want to come across as defending him 

The best thing Unsworth did was bring in Beni who I think should be featuring more bar that I had no confidence in him doing anything 

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1 hour ago, hafnia said:

Whilst we are at it.... I couldn't give a crap that fat Sam was partial to a bung or that he's a prick and that unsworth is a top lad.  

Fact is.... neither are good enough for the job. 

I would sooner have a good honourable guy managing our club but above all they need to be good at what they do.

Anyone seen the film Roadhouse?..... our club is the double deuce. At the moment it's chaos, it needs cleaning up big time. Employee's taking the piss and stealing a living, customers fighting amongst themselves, we need a serious clear out and that happens when we identify all of those responsible for contributing to it's pathetic state. 

This!!

who’s arsed about them on a personal level- all’s I care about is Everton winning football matches. If they’re not good enough get rid. Don’t care if they are a saint or sold their soul to the devil. I don’t care!!

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1 hour ago, hafnia said:

The west ham game could have very easily gone the other way. It was a far from convincing performance in my book. Their missed penalty was key. 

 

We were on the ropes when they missed that then Rooneys scores a worldy- fine margins. We were shite under Unsworth- absolute shite

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51 minutes ago, EFC-Paul said:

We've been spanked by a very good Spurs side and Arsenal who seem to have found some balance to their side bar those two and the loss to Bournemouth we've done quite well result wise 

I want the man out as quick as the next but Unsworth as much as I like the man wasn't turning anything around I could go into depth and flip things but I don't have the time for the man nor do I want to come across as defending him 

The best thing Unsworth did was bring in Beni who I think should be featuring more bar that I had no confidence in him doing anything 

Exactly right- I get people are desperate to get rid of Allerdyce but to suggest Unsworth was turning it around is ridiculous. Clouded judgement.

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1 hour ago, Paddock said:

Exactly right- I get people are desperate to get rid of Allerdyce but to suggest Unsworth was turning it around is ridiculous. Clouded judgement.

People will always see through rose tinted glasses at those who love them. David Unsworth loves Everton and some of the fans are wearing the glasses.

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