duncanmckenzieismagic Posted March 3, 2018 Report Share Posted March 3, 2018 https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/arsenal-face-battle-everton-land-12120748 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted March 3, 2018 Report Share Posted March 3, 2018 Sure Give him a shot couldn’t be worse than sam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sibdane Posted March 4, 2018 Report Share Posted March 4, 2018 Anybody other than Sam. I honestly don't care who. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
c1982 Posted March 4, 2018 Report Share Posted March 4, 2018 Purely Sunday paper talk. It will be interesting to see if Arteta can make the step up into management, wherever that may be, as he’s clearly highly regarded as a coach already. Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted March 4, 2018 Report Share Posted March 4, 2018 1 hour ago, c1982 said: Purely Sunday paper talk. It will be interesting to see if Arteta can make the step up into management, wherever that may be, as he’s clearly highly regarded as a coach already. Exactly. Let him prove himself elsewhere. We need a proven manager, not another gamble. EFC-Paul 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seve Posted March 4, 2018 Report Share Posted March 4, 2018 Not for me as much as i like the lad, he has no experience at all, Pep took him because he is Spanish an he played the game as it should be played. He slotted into peps plans nicely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted March 4, 2018 Report Share Posted March 4, 2018 I think we'll ask to speak to him but I doubt we'd offer him the job. Then again, Moshiri Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shukes Posted March 4, 2018 Report Share Posted March 4, 2018 We won’t go for him yet. He is far too young and inexperienced. We’re not going to take anymore chances. Wouldnt mind seeing him here in a position where he could grow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted March 4, 2018 Report Share Posted March 4, 2018 Depends on how much would he learn in such a short space of time from one of the best managers in world football and whether he has the management style and people skills to implement his knowledge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Makis Posted March 4, 2018 Report Share Posted March 4, 2018 If we were in a steady situation with a settled team then maybe. With the current circus of players, half of whom seem uninterested and a squad that needs a complete overhaul, Arteta would be a too big risk. badaids, nutmegwolf203, Romey 1878 and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanmckenzieismagic Posted March 4, 2018 Author Report Share Posted March 4, 2018 Exactly. Let him prove himself elsewhere. We need a proven manager, not another gamble. Whoever we appoint would be a gamble Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted March 4, 2018 Report Share Posted March 4, 2018 17 minutes ago, duncanmckenzieismagic said: Whoever we appoint would be a gamble Well, yeah But someone proven would be less so Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanmckenzieismagic Posted March 4, 2018 Author Report Share Posted March 4, 2018 Well, yeah But someone proven would be less soLike who?Personally I want Fonseca but he has never managed in England and Arteta knows the league a lot more than him so Fonseca would also be a gamble Peter H 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Posted March 4, 2018 Report Share Posted March 4, 2018 If it came to a choice between Unsworth and Arteta I would go with Unsworth, both would be a gamble but I would feel more confident with Unsy. But we don't want either of them we want a top manager who can take us to the next level, a few people are saying who would come to us now, well there are plenty out there that would come if the board are willing to pay top money, they have to sell the club with the promise of a new stadium, then a decent transfer budget to spend so we are able to mix it with the top teams. There's quite a few who would want the chance to take it on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nogs Posted March 5, 2018 Report Share Posted March 5, 2018 I don't get all the talk of 'not wanting another gamble'. The last gamble we took was Moyes. All three permanent managers we've had since then had managed in the Premiership previously. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted March 5, 2018 Report Share Posted March 5, 2018 How else have other Pep assistants done? I think the RBL manager was the U19s coach at Bayern but that' about all I can think of? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palfy Posted March 5, 2018 Report Share Posted March 5, 2018 To a degree everyone is a gamble what you try to do is shorten the odds, someone like Arteta would be a long shot were as Fonseca's odds would be a lot shorter. Moshiri is a businessman he will always take risks yes they would be calculated because he knows his industry, but now he has stepped into a different game which is not in his comfort zone still all of his instincts will remain the same to take a risk. So god knows who we will see as our next manager but there's a fair chance it won't be who or what were expecting. Bailey and EFC-Paul 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EFC-Paul Posted March 5, 2018 Report Share Posted March 5, 2018 2 hours ago, nogs said: I don't get all the talk of 'not wanting another gamble'. The last gamble we took was Moyes. All three permanent managers we've had since then had managed in the Premiership previously. Big difference is Arteta is an assistant Moyes actually managed a side Took over a poor side fighting the drop to then get them promoted on a similar shoe string budget to ourselves so he ticked many similar boxes were as bar the sentiment of being an ex player Arteta doesn't Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nogs Posted March 5, 2018 Report Share Posted March 5, 2018 19 minutes ago, EFC-Paul said: Big difference is Arteta is an assistant Moyes actually managed a side Took over a poor side fighting the drop to then get them promoted on a similar shoe string budget to ourselves so he ticked many similar boxes were as bar the sentiment of being an ex player Arteta doesn't I don't disagree with any of that. But my point is, none of our recent appointments have been real gambles, they've just been poor choices. I'd rather take a punt on someone young and hungry with fresh ideas than do something daft like throw a load of money at Wenger whose approach has been found out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Makis Posted March 5, 2018 Report Share Posted March 5, 2018 Being a coach is totally different from being a manager. Harvey was a great coach but failed as a manager because he didn't have the skills for it. Management requires a lot of people skills, even more now than then. You have twenty millionaires many of them petulant and you have to keep them all reasonably happy and motivated or it doesn't really matter what you draw on your whiteboard. As a coach you don't have to worry about that sort of things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted March 5, 2018 Report Share Posted March 5, 2018 11 hours ago, duncanmckenzieismagic said: Like who? Personally I want Fonseca but he has never managed in England and Arteta knows the league a lot more than him so Fonseca would also be a gamble My preferred choice hasn’t changed from the beginning, though still incrediblly unlikely. Other than that, I’m in a position where I’d have to whittle down the candidiates rather than suggest one. Rumours that we’d take Wenger, and for a short period I’d be happy with that. Not made up, but best of what’s being touted and ticks all the boxes (won things, knows the league, demands respect in the sport) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted March 5, 2018 Report Share Posted March 5, 2018 1 hour ago, Palfy said: To a degree everyone is a gamble what you try to do is shorten the odds, someone like Arteta would be a long shot were as Fonseca's odds would be a lot shorter. Moshiri is a businessman he will always take risks yes they would be calculated because he knows his industry, but now he has stepped into a different game which is not in his comfort zone still all of his instincts will remain the same to take a risk. So god knows who we will see as our next manager but there's a fair chance it won't be who or what were expecting. His risk taking when it comes to non-construction related things (which he knows well) have been less than encouraging in my opinion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EFC-Paul Posted March 5, 2018 Report Share Posted March 5, 2018 1 hour ago, Matt said: My preferred choice hasn’t changed from the beginning, though still incrediblly unlikely. Other than that, I’m in a position where I’d have to whittle down the candidiates rather than suggest one. Rumours that we’d take Wenger, and for a short period I’d be happy with that. Not made up, but best of what’s being touted and ticks all the boxes (won things, knows the league, demands respect in the sport) Was it Ancelotti you favoured Matt I can't remember 🤔 I did and still like the idea of Fonseca he's probably imo the best of the rest on paper and we will struggle to attract a household name Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted March 5, 2018 Report Share Posted March 5, 2018 1 hour ago, EFC-Paul said: Was it Ancelotti you favoured Matt I can't remember 🤔 I did and still like the idea of Fonseca he's probably imo the best of the rest on paper and we will struggle to attract a household name Indeed it is, but like I said, I know how unlikely that is apart from stats and media stories, I don’t know much about Fonseca so I’m unsure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rubecula Posted March 5, 2018 Report Share Posted March 5, 2018 ffs and folk think I am naïve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted March 5, 2018 Report Share Posted March 5, 2018 35 minutes ago, rubecula said: ffs and folk think I am naïve There's a fine line between hopeful and naive mate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rubecula Posted March 5, 2018 Report Share Posted March 5, 2018 but not so fine between hopeless and naïve Matt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted March 6, 2018 Report Share Posted March 6, 2018 18 hours ago, rubecula said: but not so fine between hopeless and naïve Matt. Gotta have hope mate. Life is pointless otherwise. I know my preferred choice is pretty much impossible, but I believe still in nothing but the best, and that also requires a ton of hope Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rubecula Posted March 7, 2018 Report Share Posted March 7, 2018 11 hours ago, Matt said: Gotta have hope mate. Life is pointless otherwise. I know my preferred choice is pretty much impossible, but I believe still in nothing but the best, and that also requires a ton of hope so true wish I was still young enough to hope. I want to see a use for the trophy room again before I shuffle off my mortal coil/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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