Romey 1878 Posted October 23, 2018 Author Report Share Posted October 23, 2018 8 hours ago, Btay said: I think if Coleman hasn’t improved by jan we need to be looking at a first team RB. We should be doing that anyway. I'm not his biggest fan but that's not the main reason I think this. We shouldn't be doing with him what we did with Baines, and leave it and leave it. We have to have a plan for succession. markjazzbassist, Vranny and Matt 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaron Posted October 23, 2018 Report Share Posted October 23, 2018 15 minutes ago, Shukes said: Bad form doesn’t mean he isn’t good enough. He was good enough when he was bombing forward scoring goals. He was good enough when he acted as our sweeper. He is going through some bad form after recovering from a few injury’s that’s all. Give the guy a break. Look for long term replacements by all means, but don’t hang our loyal players out to dry.... that’s what is meant to separate Everton from the rest! Loyalty does mean a lot to us. Go back to players like Eto.... class player, but no loyalty to any team ever, and he has brought teams down wherever he went. Do we really want to be there again? Sone of us are sentimental yes, but because we love our team before we love winning. It’s great to win and have success.... but I’ve supported Everton through some of the worst times in the clubs history, and I’ll still support them as I draw my last breath....even if we never win a trophy ever again. Is it bad form though? Yes he has suffered a major injury and I think that has took his toll on him. I don't think he can perform to the level we aspire to be at. The amount of silly mistakes he makes per game is concerning, yes it might be small ones but look at Saturday, he gave away the pen (which was the right decision). He often lets the ball roll under his feet, a few times now he cant play a simple 1-2 pass past a defender. His crossing isn'tt as good anymore and his defensive work I've always had a problem with, even before his injury, infact I called for him to be played as right winger before. Stuff like that are signalling for me that he is done, which I hate. Please don't take it as me saying this as I don't like Coleman, I love the bastard, he loves us. He is Everton through and through, but no player is bigger than the club as we are led to believe and therefore for me, he needs to be replaced. With him being the biggest fan favourite (the cheer when the team is read out pre match is always the loudest for him) makes it harder but its time to phase him out like we have done with Baines. As for the Eto'o argument, I disagree. Didn't bring Barca down, didn't bring Inter down, nor did he bring the Russian team (not going to attempt to type that out!), Chelsea, the Turkish team etc. In fact majority of them he made them better. He spotted the flawed aspects of Martinez and was bombed out because of that. Lukaku didn't have any loyalty to us, just ask Haf! Yet I bet you would loved to of kept him. Shukes 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted October 23, 2018 Report Share Posted October 23, 2018 46 minutes ago, Romey 1878 said: We should be doing that anyway. I'm not his biggest fan but that's not the main reason I think this. We shouldn't be doing with him what we did with Baines, and leave it and leave it. We have to have a plan for succession. This for me. Thankfully We have Brands who I trust to bring in a quality replacement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Btay Posted October 23, 2018 Report Share Posted October 23, 2018 Personally I feel we hung Baines out to dry by not replacing him earlier... I’d love nothing more than for Coleman to be our rb for the next 2/3 years. He’s 30, which is hard to believe. He’s lost that yard of pace that was his saving grace. Paddock, Matt, aaron and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted October 23, 2018 Author Report Share Posted October 23, 2018 4 minutes ago, Btay said: Personally I feel we hung Baines out to dry by not replacing him earlier... We did, and I banged on about getting someone in to replace him for about three years before we actually did! Sometimes we (the club, not necessarily the fans) show a bit too much loyalty/sentimentality towards the players. We did the same with Cahill and by the end I was pissed off seeing his name in the starting 11. Btay, aaron and Matt 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaron Posted October 23, 2018 Report Share Posted October 23, 2018 4 minutes ago, Btay said: Personally I feel we hung Baines out to dry by not replacing him earlier... I’d love nothing more than for Coleman to be our rb for the next 2/3 years. He’s 30, which is hard to believe. He’s lost that yard of pace that was his saving grace. without a doubt, I feel some of his performances was over looked because he is so well liked, the same thing is happening with Coleman now. Its a damn shame to see but look at how much better our left side is now with Digne playing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted October 23, 2018 Report Share Posted October 23, 2018 11 hours ago, Shukes said: Bad form doesn’t mean he isn’t good enough. He was good enough when he was bombing forward scoring goals. He was good enough when he acted as our sweeper. He is going through some bad form after recovering from a few injury’s that’s all. Give the guy a break. Look for long term replacements by all means, but don’t hang our loyal players out to dry.... that’s what is meant to separate Everton from the rest! Loyalty does mean a lot to us. Go back to players like Eto.... class player, but no loyalty to any team ever, and he has brought teams down wherever he went. Do we really want to be there again? Sone of us are sentimental yes, but because we love our team before we love winning. It’s great to win and have success.... but I’ve supported Everton through some of the worst times in the clubs history, and I’ll still support them as I draw my last breath....even if we never win a trophy ever again. I agree, he surprised us all by coming back as well as he did but its going to take time from him to really be back at the level he was, if indeed he ever does. He wasnt without his fault but he was an elite fullback. The counter to that is how long do you leave it to find out whether he does find his form and then the next question is how long do you give Kenny a chance to prove himself at the top level. The decision will need to be made soon though as otherwise we will be left with a Baines/Garbutt situation as others have alluded to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barryj Posted October 23, 2018 Report Share Posted October 23, 2018 On 22/10/2018 at 14:26, markjazzbassist said: there is no option to buy, if they were thinking of selling him there would be. not to mention he is seen as the successor to iniesta/messi. Didnt we get Deulofeu on loan with no option to buy and then we later bought him. If so your argument is flawed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted October 24, 2018 Report Share Posted October 24, 2018 A striker, everywhere else we are covered, but if we could get a really top level striker it would be massive for us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finn balor Posted October 25, 2018 Report Share Posted October 25, 2018 Just can’t see it in January. There is no international tournaments in the summer so there will no desperate need for players to get game time to make the squads. I think Niasse will go but think we have enough barring injuries till summer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted November 10, 2018 Author Report Share Posted November 10, 2018 https://thisisfutbol.com/2018/11/blogs/premier-league/moshiri-reveals-everton-january-plans/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aidan Posted November 10, 2018 Report Share Posted November 10, 2018 Happy with that, we need a season with the current squad, then we can see where we are at in the summer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finn balor Posted November 10, 2018 Report Share Posted November 10, 2018 Unless we get a few infuries I’m happy with the squad. Still want to get rid of stek, Niasse. In the summer hopefully we will sign Gomes get vlasic and Henry back and we can look seriously at a right back and a striker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finn balor Posted November 10, 2018 Report Share Posted November 10, 2018 I see jags was in the crowd for the Sheffield derby last night? Maybe he will go back to United for a last hurrah if they come up? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted November 10, 2018 Report Share Posted November 10, 2018 7 hours ago, Finn balor said: Unless we get a few infuries I’m happy with the squad. Still want to get rid of stek, Niasse. In the summer hopefully we will sign Gomes get vlasic and Henry back and we can look seriously at a right back and a striker What benefit is it to the club to get rid of Stek and Niasse? Genuine question as I never understand when fans want players sold who haven’t done any harm to the club. Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyblue23 Posted November 11, 2018 Report Share Posted November 11, 2018 23 hours ago, StevO said: What benefit is it to the club to get rid of Stek and Niasse? Genuine question as I never understand when fans want players sold who haven’t done any harm to the club. Stek is very bad at goalkeeping. I’d far rather see Virginia in goal if something were to happen to Pickford. Don’t think we should get rid of Niasse, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gwlad Posted November 11, 2018 Report Share Posted November 11, 2018 Virginia has to be the future of goalkeeping surely? Stek is here because of Koeman. EFC-Paul and Matt 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gethinO Posted November 11, 2018 Report Share Posted November 11, 2018 Surely we want to improve the squad and increase the competition? I’m fine with Stek as number 2 and Virginia as the young potential. I’d definitely sell Niasse though because he isn’t good enough. It’s becoming clear who’s in Brands and Marco’s plans and who isn’t. Niasse, Schneiderlin and Tosun will be the next three to leave. We desperately need a striker who can hold the ball and score goals. Richarlison is a stop gap there I feel. There has to be pressure on Walcott now as well. Performances haven’t been up to scratch lately. Wouldn’t be surprised to see us sign a right sided winger next summer either to add a bit more quality. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaron Posted November 12, 2018 Report Share Posted November 12, 2018 17 hours ago, nyblue23 said: Stek is very bad at goalkeeping. I’d far rather see Virginia in goal if something were to happen to Pickford. Don’t think we should get rid of Niasse, though. you don't get to play in a world cup final if that is true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted November 12, 2018 Report Share Posted November 12, 2018 27 minutes ago, aaron said: you don't get to play in a world cup final if that is true. Unless the competition in your position is even worse at the time. nyblue23 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaron Posted November 12, 2018 Report Share Posted November 12, 2018 3 minutes ago, Matt said: Unless the competition in your position is even worse at the time. doesn't matter how bad his competition for his place was, he was their number 1 and played a role against the best in the world to get them to the final. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted November 12, 2018 Report Share Posted November 12, 2018 I don’t see the rush to get rid of a second choice. What happens if we get rid of him and Virginia is worse and Pickford gets injured? I’d rather the seasoned but average pro than risk an untested kid. Stek has also been given a new contract under the current management so the idea that he’s only here because of Koeman is out of the window for me. markjazzbassist and aaron 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted November 12, 2018 Report Share Posted November 12, 2018 4 hours ago, aaron said: you don't get to play in a world cup final if that is true. Just playing devils advocate mate aaron 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted November 12, 2018 Report Share Posted November 12, 2018 1 hour ago, StevO said: I don’t see the rush to get rid of a second choice. What happens if we get rid of him and Virginia is worse and Pickford gets injured? I’d rather the seasoned but average pro than risk an untested kid. Stek has also been given a new contract under the current management so the idea that he’s only here because of Koeman is out of the window for me. agree on all counts, stek gets a bad rap that is unwarranted. niasse is worthwhile as well, if DCL goes down we need someone to spell richarlison or throw on in 442 situations, unless we are bringing in another striker i don't want him to leave. we have a ton of central midfielders, if we are trying to get rid that would be the place for me. Besic and schneiderlin could go and it wouldn't bother me. StevO 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sibdane Posted November 12, 2018 Report Share Posted November 12, 2018 Players we need: ST, RW, CM (hopefully Gomes) Players to go: Schniederlin & Niasse I'd like to see Besic given another chance in preseason as he could be a useful squad player. I think Tosun still has a role here as a back up to a new marquee striker signing with DCL also providing depth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finn balor Posted November 12, 2018 Report Share Posted November 12, 2018 Morgan, Niasse, besic and maybe baines if he has a good offer to MLS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted November 12, 2018 Report Share Posted November 12, 2018 Based on the current squad we need a winger/striker, a physical CM/DM and a new RB to move us up to the next level. When Zouma and Gomes go we will need them to be replaced too. The market for a top striker is very thin at the moment. You look at almost every club bar City, Spurs, Liverpool and Arsenal and their fans will say the same thing. Most teams would bite their arm off for Tosun and I suspect a few teams will be after Niasse in January. I dont see us getting better than Richarlison up top any time soon, so therefore I would look for another physical winger like him. As good as Gana has been at times this season I would still like a better decision maker who is also going to be able to dominate a midfield. Then finally we need to line up Coleman's successor. I wouldnt be in a rush to bring anyone in this January nor flog anyone unless the price is right. If McCarthy comes back purring and Benny keeps progressing then Schneiderlin would definitely be high on the list to leave. I could see Dowell going to get some game time but that is probably the lot. Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted November 13, 2018 Report Share Posted November 13, 2018 13 hours ago, Bailey said: Based on the current squad we need a winger/striker, a physical CM/DM and a new RB to move us up to the next level. When Zouma and Gomes go we will need them to be replaced too. The market for a top striker is very thin at the moment. You look at almost every club bar City, Spurs, Liverpool and Arsenal and their fans will say the same thing. Most teams would bite their arm off for Tosun and I suspect a few teams will be after Niasse in January. I dont see us getting better than Richarlison up top any time soon, so therefore I would look for another physical winger like him. As good as Gana has been at times this season I would still like a better decision maker who is also going to be able to dominate a midfield. Then finally we need to line up Coleman's successor. I wouldnt be in a rush to bring anyone in this January nor flog anyone unless the price is right. If McCarthy comes back purring and Benny keeps progressing then Schneiderlin would definitely be high on the list to leave. I could see Dowell going to get some game time but that is probably the lot. Dunno about the CM area, but that's only because it comes down to 2 inconsistent players that we have their already; McCarthy (injury) and Schneiderlin (which one will turn up). If either could address their inconsistencies (less so McCarthy, he gets injured because he puts himself on the line constantly), we'd have no problem. I'd rather Beni got a chance than add another expensive midfielder to the books. I still don't get the shouts for Niasse to leave, and I agree there might well be a few suitors coming in for him this January, but I still wouldn't sell him. Same for Tosun. I'd like to see a quality RB come in in January and that's about it really. Unless there really is a top draw striker available, although, like you said, it'll be slim pickings and with the January tax, over priced. I think a bit of patience is needed this season regarding more transfers. I've happily had my concerns quashed by Brands' and Silva's work over the summer, I really thought it was a Walsh/Koeman 2.0 with the amount of change, but they've done a fantastic job. However, to rush out and bring in a bunch of new faces is a bit premature, so even if Moshiri's statement of no signings is true, I won't be disappointed. Next summer is the big window, the biggest in terms of upgrading rather than bulking out the squad, that we've had for years. Bailey 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted November 13, 2018 Report Share Posted November 13, 2018 12 hours ago, Matt said: Dunno about the CM area, but that's only because it comes down to 2 inconsistent players that we have their already; McCarthy (injury) and Schneiderlin (which one will turn up). If either could address their inconsistencies (less so McCarthy, he gets injured because he puts himself on the line constantly), we'd have no problem. I'd rather Beni got a chance than add another expensive midfielder to the books. I still don't get the shouts for Niasse to leave, and I agree there might well be a few suitors coming in for him this January, but I still wouldn't sell him. Same for Tosun. I'd like to see a quality RB come in in January and that's about it really. Unless there really is a top draw striker available, although, like you said, it'll be slim pickings and with the January tax, over priced. I think a bit of patience is needed this season regarding more transfers. I've happily had my concerns quashed by Brands' and Silva's work over the summer, I really thought it was a Walsh/Koeman 2.0 with the amount of change, but they've done a fantastic job. However, to rush out and bring in a bunch of new faces is a bit premature, so even if Moshiri's statement of no signings is true, I won't be disappointed. Next summer is the big window, the biggest in terms of upgrading rather than bulking out the squad, that we've had for years. The way I see it is that Schneiderlin isnt quick and he isnt strong and nor is he that good at reading the game or good enough on the ball to be a realistic CL chasing midfielder. As much as I love McCarthy he has to prove he still has it and given how much football he has missed over the last 3 or so years I would be surprised. I hope he does though. Benni is way too early to be pinning any hopes on. He looked more like another Gana than another Gomes whereas I think we should be looking for a hybrid of them two plus a bit of McCarthy for good measure. Thats not a knock on either player btw. Finding that player isnt easy but its worth looking! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornish Steve Posted November 15, 2018 Report Share Posted November 15, 2018 On 10/11/2018 at 04:52, Aidan said: Happy with that, we need a season with the current squad, then we can see where we are at in the summer. Completely agree. Stability is now the key. I'd prefer we not bring in any new players in January. Aidan 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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