Matt Posted October 27, 2013 Report Share Posted October 27, 2013 Joe Hart apparently likes people ripping on him. Absolutely shocking mistake to leave the score 2-1 to Chelsea. Torres deserved the goal too Steve_E 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted October 27, 2013 Report Share Posted October 27, 2013 I'd have blamed Nastasic for that one myself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted October 27, 2013 Report Share Posted October 27, 2013 Another 1-0 win via a pen for Spurs . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted October 27, 2013 Report Share Posted October 27, 2013 Another 1-0 win via a pen for Spurs . Controversial as well apparently. The results today have been crap for us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted October 27, 2013 Report Share Posted October 27, 2013 I'd have blamed Nastasic for that one myself. why? Either Hart has to give him a shout or Hart shouldn't be running out. Or do you think Hart gave the shout? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted October 27, 2013 Report Share Posted October 27, 2013 why? Either Hart has to give him a shout or Hart shouldn't be running out. Or do you think Hart gave the shout? I was just coming on to say I've changed my mind and agree with you. Sky just showed that he had given a shout but it was very late. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve_E Posted October 27, 2013 Report Share Posted October 27, 2013 I was just coming on to say I've changed my mind and agree with you. Sky just showed that he had given a shout but it was very late. What was he even doing out there in the first place? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted October 27, 2013 Report Share Posted October 27, 2013 What was he even doing out there in the first place? It's probably played on his mind that he's been criticised in the past for not coming out (or not coming out quick enough). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted October 27, 2013 Report Share Posted October 27, 2013 Atletico 1-0 within 12s, just to prove me wrong..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted October 27, 2013 Report Share Posted October 27, 2013 Atletico 1-0 within 12s, just to prove me wrong..... I love watching Atletico myself, I think they're a great side. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcopaulo Posted October 27, 2013 Report Share Posted October 27, 2013 both at fault for me...the centre half is looking directly at hart when he heads it..in that case surely he has to head it to the side rather than 10 inches to the side of the post? hart shouldn't have been there no but there was plenty of time for the defender to decide not to head it there Romey 1878 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted October 27, 2013 Report Share Posted October 27, 2013 Controversial as well apparently. The results today have been crap for us. Spurs penalty was ridiculous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted October 28, 2013 Report Share Posted October 28, 2013 Atletico 1-0 within 12s, just to prove me wrong.....and win 5-0 overall! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcopaulo Posted October 28, 2013 Report Share Posted October 28, 2013 they look awesome Romey 1878 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Nikica Posted October 28, 2013 Report Share Posted October 28, 2013 (edited) Yeah, well done to Atletico last night, they're proving how good they are, but of course they have to maintain this form over the season to show that those of us who rate them very highly are not being foolish in doing so. I think they will as they were great last season too, but we will see how things pan out. About the Man City mistake yesterday, I don't wanna get on Hart's back as he's been making mistakes for ages and there's enough pitchforks out for him, but for me that is 100% his error, based on my belief that even if Nas panics, said panic is induced because of Hart's decision to come out of his goal. I wouldn't blame Nastasic for it really - couldn't believe it when I saw Hart rushing out of his goal. First, Hart has no need to come - Nastasic has some space between he and Torres and it's a simple nod back to Hart, Nas can generate the power for that no problem even if Hart stays on his 6 yard line. Second, even if Hart did give Nas an early shout, it's still Joe's fault because he's put his CB in a tough position - as said if he doesn't come Nas doesn't have to make that decision - he probably panics in the first place because Hart comes for it. Joe should trust his CB - he was the root cause of that yesterday for me. He probably did shout seeing as the header seems to be going by the post i.e. Nas hears the shout too late, panics and tries to generate the power to get the ball out for a corner as he knows Joe is all over the place. The problem is he couldn't generate the power to get it over the line, whereas he could generate the power to get it back to Hart if Hart was 6-8 yards out (as seen by the fact that Torres doesn't reach the ball until it's almost at the by-line). Overall, for me Joe causes the problem. I suppose Nas can deal with it better, but it's asking a lot in that split-second for him to calculate all the variables and do the right thing. Hart charging out like that causes the issue for me. I was disappointed as I dislike Chelsea and would prefer them not to win the league, plus the fact that I thought City were the better team in the second half and well worth a point. Torres and Aguero were both fantastic. No surprise on the latter but Torres was stunningly good after his awful miss. He's had promising performances before though and failed to continue in the same manner, so I'd be wary of thinking he will maintain that level, or even close to it. "both at fault for me...the centre half is looking directly at hart when he heads it..in that case surely he has to head it to the side rather than 10 inches to the side of the post? hart shouldn't have been there no but there was plenty of time for the defender to decide not to head it there" That's a fair point, I think it just happened so fast - it seems like Nas doesn't hear or see Hart until too late. There would be no issue for me had Hart not put Nas in trouble. Nas could probably have dealt with it better but if his goalkeeper doesn't come charging out then there's no problem. Edited October 28, 2013 by Nikica Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted October 28, 2013 Report Share Posted October 28, 2013 I think the bottom line is that Hart can see everything in front of him whereas Nastasic has his eyes on the ball. Even if Hart did call for it, he had timed his clearance all wrong because he was shaping to volley it yet the ball was at the top of its flight. I like Joe Hart generally and its a shame that these errors keep popping up. Unfortunately he is another in the long list of Englishmen that simply arent quite good enough at the highest level. Regards the Atletico/European Leagues debate, you only have to look at how Premier League teams have fared against these types of European teams in the CL over the last couple of seasons. I dont watch much European football outside of the Champions League but the they are generally far more organised, far better tactically and a lot of the players seem far more rounded than their English counterparts. I would agree that some European players would struggle over here given the physicality of the game and the way most teams play (ie it the teams style of play wont necessarily suit the individuals way of playing), but if you took English players abroad and put them into half decent European sides I think they would stand out like a sore thumb! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Nikica Posted October 28, 2013 Report Share Posted October 28, 2013 I think the bottom line is that Hart can see everything in front of him whereas Nastasic has his eyes on the ball. Even if Hart did call for it, he had timed his clearance all wrong because he was shaping to volley it yet the ball was at the top of its flight. I like Joe Hart generally and its a shame that these errors keep popping up. Unfortunately he is another in the long list of Englishmen that simply arent quite good enough at the highest level. Regards the Atletico/European Leagues debate, you only have to look at how Premier League teams have fared against these types of European teams in the CL over the last couple of seasons. I dont watch much European football outside of the Champions League but the they are generally far more organised, far better tactically and a lot of the players seem far more rounded than their English counterparts. I would agree that some European players would struggle over here given the physicality of the game and the way most teams play (ie it the teams style of play wont necessarily suit the individuals way of playing), but if you took English players abroad and put them into half decent European sides I think they would stand out like a sore thumb! Great post. Really am going offline now, but talk to you all soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoo Posted October 28, 2013 Author Report Share Posted October 28, 2013 Watch the video below and feel for Oliver Baumann as he makes not only one, not two, but three blunders in the same game to cost his side against Hamburger SV. The first two are pure comedy gold whilst the third is quite obviously down to his shattered confidence. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WrKV0Dno-68 As a goalkeeper I really feel for him but that doesn't take away the fact that it's hilarious. Steve_E 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted October 28, 2013 Report Share Posted October 28, 2013 Comedy gold? Shattered confidence? I'd be surprised if no one investigates him for match fixing! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted October 28, 2013 Report Share Posted October 28, 2013 Comedy gold? Shattered confidence? I'd be surprised if no one investigates him for match fixing! Scottish ancestry more than likely . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sibdane Posted October 28, 2013 Report Share Posted October 28, 2013 Comedy gold? Shattered confidence? I'd be surprised if no one investigates him for match fixing! He's normally a solid keeper from the few times I've watched him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoo Posted October 28, 2013 Author Report Share Posted October 28, 2013 Comedy gold? Shattered confidence? I'd be surprised if no one investigates him for match fixing! Feel sorry for him because the second and third goal was clearly because of his confidence being on the floor. I watch Bundesliga though and Baumenn is actually a top keeper, he just crashed and burned at the weekend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted October 29, 2013 Report Share Posted October 29, 2013 (edited) I know hes a decent keeper, but pushing the ball (twice) into the path of a attacker? Seems a little too out of character Edited October 29, 2013 by Matt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowensda Posted October 29, 2013 Report Share Posted October 29, 2013 Some of those actions were worse than kids' level football, match fixing has to be considered IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Nikica Posted October 29, 2013 Report Share Posted October 29, 2013 Yeah, he's a decent keeper but those mistakes are very poor. Scottish ancestry more than likely . You lot have had spunky Seaman being lobbed by everyone from Nayim to Ronnie (although he was generally a quality goalkeeper), Carson against Croatia, Green in South Africa and Joe Hart's recent string of silliness. Don't be tempted to throw the stones in that glass house In saying that, I can't deny that you're correct - Scottish goalkeepers have generally been woeful over the years. But we've had some great 'keepers too e.g. Simpson, Goram, and now McGregor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Nikica Posted October 30, 2013 Report Share Posted October 30, 2013 Real Madrid scored a lot of goals tonight, fair play to them. Sevilla looked like they could have scored with every attack too though. RM will score goals galore in open affairs like this, but it's against bus parkers in the CL where they're likely to be found out. Still think they'll win nothing this season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted November 1, 2013 Report Share Posted November 1, 2013 Joe Hart dropped by City for tomorrow's game, http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/24778956 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Nikica Posted November 1, 2013 Report Share Posted November 1, 2013 Joe Hart dropped by City for tomorrow's game, http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/24778956 It's the correct decision. They'll probably bring in Casillas in one of the next two transfer windows, and who could blame them? Saying that he has been making mistakes himself over the last few years. De Gea is absolutely miles better than Hart these days, by the way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted November 1, 2013 Report Share Posted November 1, 2013 Tonight... "Lionel Messi failed to score in his fourth successive La Liga match - his longest goalless run since April 2011." Maybe we could interest them in straight swap for Jelavic . Bailey 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornish Steve Posted November 2, 2013 Report Share Posted November 2, 2013 Joe Hart dropped by City for tomorrow's game, http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/24778956 I agree with Ray Clemence: This is a risky and potentially stupid thing to do. In previous cases where managers did this to top-class goalies, they never recovered their confidence. Norwich would be an excellent game for Joe Hart to go out there and show what he can do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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