duncanmckenzieismagic Posted February 21, 2013 Report Share Posted February 21, 2013 Ten year record of David Moyes in charge at Everton. You might want to take into consideration that the six teams with better figures, have spent Hundreds of Millions of pounds over those years to achieve that, so would somebody please explain to me how he can take us any further. Average of seventh in the prem for ten years, I really dont know what some people expect, I'll take that every year. Now, now Bill dont be letting facts get in the way of a good moan! All these fans with the I want , I want, I want attitude who refuse to settle for mediocrity , thats fantastic. Now if you could just magic up this multi billionaire new owner I would be ever so grateful Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avinalaff Posted February 21, 2013 Author Report Share Posted February 21, 2013 Ten year record of David Moyes in charge at Everton. You might want to take into consideration that the six teams with better figures, have spent Hundreds of Millions of pounds over those years to achieve that, so would somebody please explain to me how he can take us any further. Average of seventh in the prem for ten years, I really dont know what some people expect, I'll take that every year. How can it be a good guide when many of the clubs aren't in the Prem during the 10 years ? Otherwise, I agree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimonButtle Posted February 21, 2013 Report Share Posted February 21, 2013 (edited) Ten year record of David Moyes in charge at Everton. You might want to take into consideration that the six teams with better figures, have spent Hundreds of Millions of pounds over those years to achieve that, so would somebody please explain to me how he can take us any further. Average of seventh in the prem for ten years, I really dont know what some people expect, I'll take that every year. It's not so much about the money it's about progressing as a team, a different manager may prefer different players and buy different players and play a different tactic from Moyes imo, it's impossible to say what another manager would have done with the given resources. I appreciate the work Moyes has done for the club but we have stagnated slightly and i think some of our tactical play seems very basic at times. Edited February 21, 2013 by Simon pete0 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avinalaff Posted February 21, 2013 Author Report Share Posted February 21, 2013 We're in with a shout at top 4 in February, and were playing superbly earlier in the season. If we revive that form, we'll be anything but stagnating. We can't overcome the Uniteds of the world, but a few of us need to wait until the end of the season to judge. Peter H 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted February 21, 2013 Report Share Posted February 21, 2013 We're in with a shout at top 4 in February, and were playing superbly earlier in the season. If we revive that form, we'll be anything but stagnating. We can't overcome the Uniteds of the world, but a few of us need to wait until the end of the season to judge. Lets be honest though Avin, its not like we havent seen this scenario before! Having money to spend would be great but like I said somwhere else, even with our best squad to date under Moyes tenure why are we still making the same mistakes and habitually playing the same way. Give him 20mil or give him 5mil and Im not convinced we would be any better off. Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete0 Posted February 21, 2013 Report Share Posted February 21, 2013 (edited) Lets be honest though Avin, its not like we havent seen this scenario before! Having money to spend would be great but like I said somwhere else, even with our best squad to date under Moyes tenure why are we still making the same mistakes and habitually playing the same way. Give him 20mil or give him 5mil and Im not convinced we would be any better off. He needs 5 players injured to force his hand. If his backs not to the wall he gets too comfortable. Edited February 21, 2013 by pete0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted February 21, 2013 Report Share Posted February 21, 2013 This thread isn't about whether Moyes is good enough to manage us - under current circumstances lets call it "THE BOARD", he is perfect for us, and we are perfect for him. Too perfect in fact. So much so that I believe he thinks there is a job out there where he will walk in and control a bunch of overpaid and under performing ego's, give it the "my way or highway" act and win back to back league titles armed with the money to finally buy the likes of Moutinho, Hazard etc etc. Its almost like a script from Friday Night Lights and Moyes is coach Eric Taylor - the roaring alpha male who will have his superstars running up stadium steps for any sign of dissent. But we all know that Moyes has an issue with ego's - the highly paid ones do not bow down to him when they can get £80k a week else where. Moyes is able to exert his authority on the types of players he likes to bring to Everton and he knows that once he's crossed there is no way back. Lesson number 1 Davie, at the big boys clubs, even the manager has to take the odd bit of backchat from a match winner - you aint gonna like that. Number 2, a lot of these players like to play expansive attacking football and express themselves. Its very unlikely you are going to get Jack Wilshire to hit the channels for Walcott to chase when he can thread it through the eye of a needle. 3. These types of clubs fans don't like their team to sit back on a 1 goal lead, and you are likely to bring the house down by introducing Mertesacker for Arteta with 5 minutes to go when you are chasing the game and instructing sagna or vermaelen to lump it in there.... Moyes aside, this is the perfect opportunity for our board to be smoked out. Their bullet proof vest may well go, their next manager may not tow the party line, his ineptness or inability to deal with zero funds may force some situation that puts those with short arms and long pockets to think about their place on our board. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Posted February 21, 2013 Report Share Posted February 21, 2013 How can it be a good guide when many of the clubs aren't in the Prem during the 10 years ? Otherwise, I agree. That only adds to the argument that Moyes has done a good Job, and dont forget there is 20 teams every season in the prem, so the average is the same no matter who is in and who isnt, but all the usual suspects are there. Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oztoffee Posted February 21, 2013 Report Share Posted February 21, 2013 How can it be a good guide when many of the clubs aren't in the Prem during the 10 years ? Otherwise, I agree. This is of course the fallacy in the argument. If you gave a point for every finish in the Prem since it's inception (ie 20pts for 1st place down to 1pt for 20th) we'd still be 7th. The fallacy is that the table given is really only an indication that the longer you are in the Prem the higher you'll be. In fact we are the 7th most successful club in the Prem because we are the worst performers of all those that havn't been relegated. End of story! Sibdane 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avinalaff Posted February 22, 2013 Author Report Share Posted February 22, 2013 This is of course the fallacy in the argument. If you gave a point for every finish in the Prem since it's inception (ie 20pts for 1st place down to 1pt for 20th) we'd still be 7th. The fallacy is that the table given is really only an indication that the longer you are in the Prem the higher you'll be. In fact we are the 7th most successful club in the Prem because we are the worst performers of all those that havn't been relegated. End of story! Ha ha, brilliant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete0 Posted February 22, 2013 Report Share Posted February 22, 2013 http://www.stumbleupon.com/su/1iHbq7 Moyes could learn a lot from the Dalai Lama. "Take into account that great love and great achievements involve great risk." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 22, 2013 Report Share Posted February 22, 2013 I love Davey and everything he has done for us. Could he have done better? I think so and probably so does he. We would all like to win the league etc etc but if we sell Felli and have £30 mill to spend im sure the gap will get smaller from 6th to 4th. Bale will probably go from Spurs which will be huge and i think we are generally viewed by partisan fans as a top six side who are horrible to play against. Me? i'll take that.being competative every week and looking forward to the match instead of worrying we might go down. Id love Davey to be less cautious and i think he needs to get back to the superb stuff we were playing in the first 12 games. If we do that we wont be far off fourth and hopefully he will stay Bailey 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted February 22, 2013 Report Share Posted February 22, 2013 http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/21554138 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avinalaff Posted February 23, 2013 Author Report Share Posted February 23, 2013 http://www.bbc.co.uk...otball/21554138 I don't think it's Rubbish at all Davey. I'm of the opinion that his contract issue is rocking the boat, and creating uncertainty at the club. Not happy with it at all. SimonButtle 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macdog Posted February 23, 2013 Report Share Posted February 23, 2013 Paul McCartney should buy the club. We are much better value for his money than the one-legged ex-porn star. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avinalaff Posted February 23, 2013 Author Report Share Posted February 23, 2013 Paul McCartney should buy the club. We are much better value for his money than the one-legged ex-porn star. He's a red isn't he ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanmckenzieismagic Posted February 23, 2013 Report Share Posted February 23, 2013 (edited) He's a red isn't he ? http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/everton-fc/everton-fc-news/2008/07/05/sir-paul-mccartney-s-everton-secret-was-no-surprise-100252-21264855/ No he is a blue Edited February 23, 2013 by duncanmckenzieismagic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter H Posted February 23, 2013 Report Share Posted February 23, 2013 http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/21554138 I agree on Mirallas. Time to stop looking menacing and start being menacing. He is going to be great for Everton, time to start producing points. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted February 23, 2013 Report Share Posted February 23, 2013 http://www.bbc.co.uk...otball/21554138 thats a very disturbing interview. Sounds like hes made his mind up to me and that something has happened to piss him off... In the last few days hes added pressure on Jelavic who was already under performing because of a lack of service and confidence, and now a go at the lad who came out to champion Moyes and has recently come back from his 2 month injury in his first season in the EPL. Now im genuinely concerned Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fearthainn Posted February 23, 2013 Report Share Posted February 23, 2013 I think many fans will be fed up after today. I've always thought it will be very difficult to replace him and that there's a possibility we'll do an Aston Villa when he does leave, but I can't help but feel indifference towards him staying or going at the moment. I wouldn't be against us letting him go and bringing in a young, attacking manager at the moment. Martinez? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted February 23, 2013 Report Share Posted February 23, 2013 Slowly but surely some see what others have done for a good while. Moyes often uses the penny drop phrase, none moreso is it appropriate for than his clubs fans regarding his ability. He would go to a casino with £1m and be content to leave £100 down after playing slot machines all night. He is small time. Very good at small time but still... Zoo and pete0 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowensda Posted February 23, 2013 Report Share Posted February 23, 2013 His intetviews of late, seem to highlight player performances and blaming others but he's not really come out and questioned his own managerial decisions I.e. I should have playe him, or tired to go all out, or looked for a point. It's all about how the players haven't been performing. Like Fearthainn, my views on DM are changing drastically and not for the better. Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanmckenzieismagic Posted February 23, 2013 Report Share Posted February 23, 2013 The anti Moyse brigade are going to have a field day after that dismal performance, but I have no idea what they think he could have done differently Apart fron starting Mirallas, who did fuck all when he came on anyway, ahead of Naismith that is exactly the XI I would have picked. The side just look totally jaded , with no energy or drive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Louis Posted February 23, 2013 Report Share Posted February 23, 2013 I just a look at the last time Moyes' contract was turning into a saga. It was the beginning of 2008/2009. Here are the results until he signed: http://www.evertonresults.com/200809.htm He signed on October 13. Up until that point the record was 5 losses, 2 wins and 3 draws. After he signed, we went the rest of the year losing a further six times. My point is, I think the contract dragging on has a negative effect. Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Droobie Posted February 23, 2013 Report Share Posted February 23, 2013 The problem is that we've become one dimensional... I have a feeling it started from the United match... Fergie had us figured out, and everyone's caught on. We haven't played any differently since. Same formation, same tactics, pretty much the same lineups. DM was once hailed for his innovative idea of the small squad we have, but we've seen nothing new all season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fearthainn Posted February 23, 2013 Report Share Posted February 23, 2013 The anti Moyse brigade are going to have a field day after that dismal performance, but I have no idea what they think he could have done differently Apart fron starting Mirallas, who did fuck all when he came on anyway, ahead of Naismith that is exactly the XI I would have picked. The side just look totally jaded , with no energy or drive. Well he is the manager. He's responsible for managing the players' energy levels and motivation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete0 Posted February 23, 2013 Report Share Posted February 23, 2013 Would you play arguably the best central midfielder in the world out of position? Would you stick with out of form players week in week out (Pienaar/Osman)? Would you pick Jelavic if you aren't going to play to his strengths? I'm not anti-Moyes, I'm pro change/adaptation/innovation/lightbulbs ect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted February 23, 2013 Report Share Posted February 23, 2013 The anti Moyse brigade are going to have a field day after that dismal performance, but I have no idea what they think he could have done differently Apart fron starting Mirallas, who did fuck all when he came on anyway, ahead of Naismith that is exactly the XI I would have picked. The side just look totally jaded , with no energy or drive. So if we look jaded and have no energy or drive it's not the manager's fault? Isn't a big part of his job the training regime and player motivation? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted February 23, 2013 Report Share Posted February 23, 2013 Well he is the manager. He's responsible for managing the players' energy levels and motivation. So if we look jaded and have no energy or drive it's not the manager's fault? Isn't a big part of his job the training regime and player motivation? I didn't copy....honest miss. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 23, 2013 Report Share Posted February 23, 2013 I think its criminal we didnt do anything in the transfer window to freshen the squad up and help the lads out. It was obvious we needed an injection of pace and energy in midfield and upfront. I think it was abundently clear we were gonna run out of legs when fourth is going begging. If we had no dough then tough decisions had to be made and if that meant get rid of somebody so be it. Thats what he is payed £70k a week for. The team is old and we have no pace going forward. We are now reliant on booting the ball long to Felli and teams have figured us out long ago. Unfortunately i dont think Davey has the tactical nous to counter these situations and instead just deviates playing Felli forward or deeper which is hardly groundbreaking. With regards to transfers i'm always up for a bargain but when the bargain is no better or indeed worse that what you already have whats the point? Naismith seems like a grafter but he should be playing for Blackpool. Your not telling me Lundstrum, Kennedy could do worse than him? Fuck me play Stones and Coleman on right mid if thats what it needs to change it up and give the opposition something to think about. I think one of the biggest indications Davey is going is not signing Butner from Birmingham.£3.5 million for an outsanding goalkeeper that could be ours and englands goalie for the next twelve years. For that money you cannot not buy him when his real value is probably £9 mill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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