Niall Posted July 17, 2014 Report Share Posted July 17, 2014 Roberto and the players have a great base with things to improve on. One of these things has to be corners. By and large our corners are shocking and you can count on the fingers of one hand the number of goals we've scored from corners in the past few seasons. Our attacking play means we often get 10+ in a match, how often do you see us go close from one? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcopaulo Posted July 17, 2014 Report Share Posted July 17, 2014 i remember 3 goals from corners last season..that's it...we must be amongst the worst in the league at them markjazzbassist, Aidan and Matt 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddock Posted July 17, 2014 Report Share Posted July 17, 2014 (edited) I'm sure I read somewhere that we don't even practice them in training as Martinez doesn't think they're important enough. I can't remember where and I'm far too lazy to look but that's what the article said Edited July 17, 2014 by Paddock Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted July 17, 2014 Report Share Posted July 17, 2014 Set pieces really frustrated me last season. I cannot understand how they cannot be valued... markjazzbassist 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC11 Posted July 17, 2014 Report Share Posted July 17, 2014 Loads of them land on Jagielkas head...... Then over the bar. Sibdane and markjazzbassist 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve_E Posted July 17, 2014 Report Share Posted July 17, 2014 (edited) We were 9th in the league in goals scored from corners with 6 goals according to Squawka stats. 8th in the league in terms of all set piece goals. Edited July 17, 2014 by Steve_E Bailey 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcopaulo Posted July 17, 2014 Report Share Posted July 17, 2014 christ must be some shite around the league then Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve_E Posted July 17, 2014 Report Share Posted July 17, 2014 christ must be some shite around the league then There's lots of research on the web that shows that corners are a very inefficient way to score a goal across Europe. Here's one such article, but you can find lots of them if you Google it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted July 17, 2014 Report Share Posted July 17, 2014 yeah i was about to come in here all rah rah about how we suck on corners but just read the 8th stat. dang. we must be doing something right then i guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornish Steve Posted July 17, 2014 Report Share Posted July 17, 2014 Well, since we finished fifth in the league, we can obviously do better. I'm all for more practicing of set pieces. Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niall Posted July 17, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 17, 2014 There's lots of research on the web that shows that corners are a very inefficient way to score a goal across Europe. Here's one such article, but you can find lots of them if you Google it. That may be so but there are plenty of instances of our corners not beating the first man (it's not just us). Let's improve on that for a start and you never know what could happen! Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted July 17, 2014 Report Share Posted July 17, 2014 Loads of them land on Jagielkas head...... Then over the bar. A lot land on Distin's 50p head too... and go out for a throw in. MC11, Matt, Aidan and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC11 Posted July 17, 2014 Report Share Posted July 17, 2014 A lot land on Distin's 50p head too... and go out for a throw in. Hahaha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted July 17, 2014 Report Share Posted July 17, 2014 That may be so but there are plenty of instances of our corners not beating the first man (it's not just us). Let's improve on that for a start and you never know what could happen! This. Corners that don't beat the first man are soul destroying. Aidan, Niall and Matt 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted July 17, 2014 Report Share Posted July 17, 2014 Statistically more goals are scored at the front post from a corner, than the back post. This is why so many are targeted at the front and hit the first man. Better delivery would help though. Aidan, Steve_E, Matt and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted July 17, 2014 Report Share Posted July 17, 2014 Statistically more goals are scored at the front post from a corner, than the back post. This is why so many are targeted at the front and hit the first man. Better delivery would help though. That really surprises me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted July 17, 2014 Report Share Posted July 17, 2014 I think a lot of it has to do with the delivery. Good delivery and good movement will cause any teams problems. We get on the end of enough corners but a lot of the time the delivery isn't as good as it should be and we were reaching back or getting underneath it. If anything, I think it's our defensive corner positioning that needs work. Niall 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted July 17, 2014 Report Share Posted July 17, 2014 I think a lot of it has to do with the delivery. Good delivery and good movement will cause any teams problems. We get on the end of enough corners but a lot of the time the delivery isn't as good as it should be and we were reaching back or getting underneath it. If anything, I think it's our defensive corner positioning that needs work. agree, but considering we have a great right footed and left footed dead ball specialist in the team, we should be doing much better than we are. Same as we could be doing better defensively. Niall 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted July 17, 2014 Report Share Posted July 17, 2014 (edited) I think a lot of it has to do with the delivery. Good delivery and good movement will cause any teams problems. We get on the end of enough corners but a lot of the time the delivery isn't as good as it should be and we were reaching back or getting underneath it. If anything, I think it's our defensive corner positioning that needs work. If we put the ball in with some pace rather than floating the fucking thing in that might help! Can't tell you how annoyed I get at the game watching the stupid floated balls in. Edited July 17, 2014 by Romey 1878 Niall 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted July 17, 2014 Report Share Posted July 17, 2014 agree, but considering we have a great right footed and left footed dead ball specialist in the team, we should be doing much better than we are. Same as we could be doing better defensively. Yeh we have the talent to whip the ball in but they rarely do the business, at least not consistently. Niall 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted July 17, 2014 Report Share Posted July 17, 2014 Yeh we have the talent to whip the ball in but they rarely do the business, at least not consistently. again agree. but that to me suggests a lack of training Niall 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted July 17, 2014 Report Share Posted July 17, 2014 again agree. but that to me suggests a lack of training Maybe a lack of direction (as in where we should be attacking). I know Martinez was keen to start playing more short corners and that was noticeable early season but not so much in the latter half. Doing that leaves more decision making to the player and given Martinez' offensive tactics in general, he will give the corner taker will be given the power to do what he wants instead of a Big Sam type instruction where you have to put the ball in a certain area of the 18 yard box. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thoward18 Posted July 17, 2014 Report Share Posted July 17, 2014 Near post corners are perfectly fine. What gets frustrating is that sometimes Baines and Miralles don't get enough lift on them and so they're just drilled into the knees of the opposing guy at the 18. Honestly, I don't know how much you can work on corners. Have five or six general plays drawn up regarding what area of the 18 the ball is going to go. After that, it basically comes down to luck and desire. It's not like Tim Cahill does anything particular special tactically. He is just able to jump high and then wants to get on the end of the ball more than anyone else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted July 17, 2014 Report Share Posted July 17, 2014 Maybe a lack of direction (as in where we should be attacking). I know Martinez was keen to start playing more short corners and that was noticeable early season but not so much in the latter half. Doing that leaves more decision making to the player and given Martinez' offensive tactics in general, he will give the corner taker will be given the power to do what he wants instead of a Big Sam type instruction where you have to put the ball in a certain area of the 18 yard box. agreed, its a balance to perfect Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted July 18, 2014 Report Share Posted July 18, 2014 Surprised me too Mike. I think it was Big Sam who said this on TV. We know he loves his stats and percentages, so got to trust him and his numbers games. . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted July 18, 2014 Report Share Posted July 18, 2014 Surprised me too Mike. I think it was Big Sam who said this on TV. We know he loves his stats and percentages, so got to trust him and his numbers games. . Wonder what category goals scored at the back post from a front post flick-on fall into? If that counts as a goal from a near post corner, which logically they should do, that'd account for the perception that more are scored from the back post (which maybe they are) even if they result from a near post corner. Does that make sense; I'm not sure ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aidan Posted July 18, 2014 Report Share Posted July 18, 2014 I wish we still had Tim Cahill. IMO Baines doesn't deliver as well as he used to from the corner flag. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted July 18, 2014 Report Share Posted July 18, 2014 I wish we still had Tim Cahill. IMO Baines doesn't deliver as well as he used to from the corner flag. after his performances in the the World Cup, I'd take him back as squad filler Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted July 18, 2014 Report Share Posted July 18, 2014 Wonder what category goals scored at the back post from a front post flick-on fall into? If that counts as a goal from a near post corner, which logically they should do, that'd account for the perception that more are scored from the back post (which maybe they are) even if they result from a near post corner. Does that make sense; I'm not sure ? If I remember rightly he did include flick ons from the front post. The gist of it was balls played into the front post create more goals than the back post. A lot about defenders and keepers have to make a decision front post, if they don't it's certain danger. At the back post if no defender or keeper makes a decision the ball could just over run. Made a lot of sense at the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chalkpie Posted November 11, 2015 Report Share Posted November 11, 2015 http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/evertons-set-pieces-awful-10408985 Time to revisit this topic. I'm too lazy to check, but how many goals have gone against us from corners/free kicks this season? Why does Martinez not practice these? That seems pretty ridiculous to me and demonstrates his arrogance/bull-headed attitude like the Howard situation. The bloke truly baffles me sometimes. We fuckin' suck at these, and they end up costing us points and/or complete matches. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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