Romey 1878 Posted November 11, 2015 Report Share Posted November 11, 2015 http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/evertons-set-pieces-awful-10408985 Time to revisit this topic. I'm too lazy to check, but how many goals have gone against us from corners/free kicks this season? Why does Martinez not practice these? That seems pretty ridiculous to me and demonstrates his arrogance/bull-headed attitude like the Howard situation. The bloke truly baffles me sometimes. We fuckin' suck at these, and they end up costing us points and/or complete matches. It's already been discussed here - http://www.toffeetalk.com/index.php?/topic/24944-longest-thread-for-everton-discussion/?p=487964 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowensda Posted November 12, 2015 Report Share Posted November 12, 2015 Good? Or Bad? Discuss. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shukes Posted November 12, 2015 Report Share Posted November 12, 2015 (edited) Disturbing. Three or four years ago I used to feel relieved when we scored from open play as we didn't see creative enough to carve out chances. Though at the same time we were known for being dangerous at set pieces. What we needed at that time was to add open play goals to our game. But not at the expense of our deadly set plays. We need a mix of both to make teams really fear us. Edited November 12, 2015 by Shukes Lowensda 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete0 Posted November 12, 2015 Report Share Posted November 12, 2015 Good? Or Bad? Discuss. Bad. Only expect 2 or 3 direct freekicks to go in, but we should be looking at double figures in total from set-pieces. Since Lescott left we've been terrible from them to the point I was pissed off Jags and Distin plodded up the pitch. Arteta and Baines corners leave a lot of questions, not quite Phil Neville floaters bad, but still nowhere good enough. Garbutt's delivery was refreshing, and Deulofeu's can be next level, but we seem to always play it safe. That said I find it more worrying that we concede so many. Lowensda 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcopaulo Posted November 12, 2015 Report Share Posted November 12, 2015 Bring hinchcliffe in to train them...His corners were demonic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnh Posted November 12, 2015 Report Share Posted November 12, 2015 Following a few (non televised) games on BBC live text, if Everton get a corner it is guaranteed that the next entry (only 1 minute later) will be a corner to the opposition or a shot on Everton's goal. This happens nearly every time and emphasises the fact that we just don't exert any pressure from set pieces. Usually, a corner hits the first defender and the opposition get possession and hit us on the break. Lowensda 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted November 12, 2015 Report Share Posted November 12, 2015 terrible. first off on corners we need to practice them and actually take them seriously. second off we need baines back on set piece duty to bend them in. barkley and lukaku are great and all, but they can't put it in like baines does. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted November 12, 2015 Report Share Posted November 12, 2015 terrible. first off on corners we need to practice them and actually take them seriously. second off we need baines back on set piece duty to bend them in. barkley and lukaku are great and all, but they can't put it in like baines does. The same Baines who had been taking terrible corners and hitting the first man himself? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted November 12, 2015 Report Share Posted November 12, 2015 The same Baines who had been taking terrible corners and hitting the first man himself? i'm talking set pieces not corner. notice how i address them separately. the same baines that scored 2 goals from set pieces the last couple seasons. if it's close to the box go for goal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted November 12, 2015 Report Share Posted November 12, 2015 i'm talking set pieces not corner. notice how i address them separately. the same baines that scored 2 goals from set pieces the last couple seasons. if it's close to the box go for goal. Corners are set pieces. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted November 12, 2015 Report Share Posted November 12, 2015 Corners are set pieces. Sorry I meant free kicks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanmckenzieismagic Posted November 12, 2015 Report Share Posted November 12, 2015 Good? Or Bad? Discuss. We have been discussing it since yesterday ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC11 Posted November 12, 2015 Report Share Posted November 12, 2015 It's all about delivery and the ability of players who are attacking the ball. Our side doesn't have many players good in the air. Practising set pieces is all good and well but we don't have Cahill or Fellaini anymore. MikeO 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shukes Posted November 13, 2015 Report Share Posted November 13, 2015 Our only decent corner taker isn't getting into the team at the moment. Mirralas is the only one who puts it in with real pace. Sideliner 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted November 13, 2015 Report Share Posted November 13, 2015 It's all about delivery and the ability of players who are attacking the ball. Our side doesn't have many players good in the air. Practising set pieces is all good and well but we don't have Cahill or Fellaini anymore. Mori and stones have some leap on them. Other than that - Rom and Kone. Rom isn't great from a standing jump, his running leap isn't bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted November 13, 2015 Report Share Posted November 13, 2015 Mori and stones have some leap on them. Other than that - Rom and Kone. Rom isn't great from a standing jump, his running leap isn't bad. Rom's headed goal against the shite in his loan season was thunderous. Wish he could do that more often. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted November 13, 2015 Report Share Posted November 13, 2015 Rom's headed goal against the shite in his loan season was thunderous. Wish he could do that more often. as was his header against west ham where he got concussion. Romey 1878 and Lowensda 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted November 13, 2015 Report Share Posted November 13, 2015 (edited) Rom's headed goal against the shite in his loan season was thunderous. Wish he could do that more often.brilliant delivery too, just in front of him. He's as lethal in the air as he is on the ground given the right service. Just a lot harder to make something out of nothing in the air Edited November 13, 2015 by Matt Romey 1878 and duncanmckenzieismagic 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC11 Posted November 13, 2015 Report Share Posted November 13, 2015 as was his header against west ham where he got concussion. Both delivered by Mirallas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnh Posted November 13, 2015 Report Share Posted November 13, 2015 In the England game against Spain tonight, in the second-half, Barkley took a free kick on the right, about 20 yards outside the penalty area. He hit the first defender. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted November 13, 2015 Report Share Posted November 13, 2015 In the England game against Spain tonight, in the second-half, Barkley took a free kick on the right, about 20 yards outside the penalty area. He hit the first defender. He actually hit the first defender in the penalty area, the two who were stood outside he managed to get it past. Progress ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted November 14, 2015 Report Share Posted November 14, 2015 In the England game against Spain tonight, in the second-half, Barkley took a free kick on the right, about 20 yards outside the penalty area. He hit the first defender. He actually hit the first defender in the penalty area, the two who were stood outside he managed to get it past. Progress ? I really wish he'd get off set-pieces for us. Let Geri have a go at free-kicks and corners for a bit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chalkpie Posted November 14, 2015 Report Share Posted November 14, 2015 Does Martinez really believe that set pieces are just pure luck with no skill involved? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanmckenzieismagic Posted December 14, 2015 Report Share Posted December 14, 2015 Probably been posted before but seeing as though we have conceded the most goals from set pieces and scored the least it was worth another rant Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deacs Posted December 14, 2015 Report Share Posted December 14, 2015 Staggering that the management team can have that philosophy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted December 15, 2015 Report Share Posted December 15, 2015 We're that bad at defending them that those 3 could all easily lead to goals. That's the point of practising them right there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted December 15, 2015 Report Share Posted December 15, 2015 I understand the ideal. When it costs you as many points as it does us, at least review the philosophy for crying out loud! Lowensda and Deacs 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Makis Posted December 15, 2015 Report Share Posted December 15, 2015 Our defense is crap at defending crosses at all. Corners or otherwise. Who doesn't get worried when the opponent pumps high balls into our box? There's never any conviction in winning the cross, and even when it happens, invariably the clearance is shite. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted December 15, 2015 Report Share Posted December 15, 2015 Our defense is crap at defending crosses at all. Corners or otherwise. Who doesn't get worried when the opponent pumps high balls into our box? There's never any conviction in winning the cross, and even when it happens, invariably the clearance is shite. Agreed. Baines in particular has never done enough to prevent crosses coming in as well. It's something our full-backs should have learnt by now. Sideliner 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC11 Posted December 15, 2015 Report Share Posted December 15, 2015 http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11671/10101052/roberto-martinez-unhappy-with-evertons-soft-defending Lmao Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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