Shukes Posted July 15, 2016 Report Share Posted July 15, 2016 Agree with both, but one thing he can still learn and has to a good degree is positioning and ball winning ability. Not ideal but Barry can do it and he's 10years his senior Totally agree. Experience has a massive effect on a midfielder. Barry has got better as the years have gone by. McCarthy could do the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EFC-Paul Posted July 15, 2016 Report Share Posted July 15, 2016 (edited) Barry is a midfield version of Terry never been quick but his reading of the game has been up there with the best mids this leagues seen over the years I don't think you can compare McCarthy with him really even with more experience down the line etc if you mixed them both together you'd have Gerrard Edited July 15, 2016 by EFC-Paul Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted July 15, 2016 Report Share Posted July 15, 2016 (edited) Barry has always been notoriously slow.so then mobility isn't that big an issue if you know how to read the game, right? Edit: Paul, like I said I'm clutching at straws here, but what was Terry or Barry like at 24? Reading the game comes with experience and McCarthy had more than most at his age, by quite a way. I don't want to write him off, even if I understand and agree with all of the arguments for doing so Edited July 15, 2016 by Matt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted July 15, 2016 Report Share Posted July 15, 2016 so then mobility isn't that big an issue if you know how to read the game, right? Edit: Paul, like I said I'm clutching at straws here, but what was Terry or Barry like at 24? Reading the game comes with experience and McCarthy had more than most at his age, by quite a way. I don't want to write him off, even if I understand and agree with all of the arguments for doing so read Haf's post above. mccarthy is a jobber, his biggest strength is running, take that away and he's an Ok player but nothing special. his vision has never been great so why would it magically improve now? Barry has always had good vision because he's had to because he's slow. mccarthy isn't magically gonna turn into a barry. he's done for and should be sold. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter H Posted July 15, 2016 Report Share Posted July 15, 2016 Very harsh on him IMO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EFC-Paul Posted July 15, 2016 Report Share Posted July 15, 2016 so then mobility isn't that big an issue if you know how to read the game, right? Edit: Paul, like I said I'm clutching at straws here, but what was Terry or Barry like at 24? Reading the game comes with experience and McCarthy had more than most at his age, by quite a way. I don't want to write him off, even if I understand and agree with all of the arguments for doing so Not aimed at your comment mate that's always been my assesment of his abilities He's a very underrated player exceptional in his first season but as Dunc said I don't think we will see the same player again due to his injuries and the effect multiple hamstring problems have on players, hope I'm wrong but its a game of chance if someone does offer us decent money Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shukes Posted July 15, 2016 Report Share Posted July 15, 2016 Experience has nothing to do with magic. It's am accumulative of life's experiences. McCarthy can improve as can any player...or should we get rid of Lukaku now he has reached his peak? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted July 15, 2016 Report Share Posted July 15, 2016 Experience has nothing to do with magic. It's am accumulative of life's experiences. McCarthy can improve as can any player...or should we get rid of Lukaku now he has reached his peak? we shouldnt, but we also shouldnt expect his first touch to improve magically overnight. in ten years will he be able to bring a ball down without bouncing 30 feet off him? possibly, but it won't happen in his tenure with everton i don't think. just like mccarthy won't turn into a visionary in 2 years. i just think the tools he needs to get his game up a level are missing, and the one thing that made up for it is partially gone (speed). not worth trying to fix that sinking ship, better to sell and let stoke deal with it. if they are the only ones interested he can't have every been that good either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted July 15, 2016 Report Share Posted July 15, 2016 so then mobility isn't that big an issue if you know how to read the game, right? Edit: Paul, like I said I'm clutching at straws here, but what was Terry or Barry like at 24? Reading the game comes with experience and McCarthy had more than most at his age, by quite a way. I don't want to write him off, even if I understand and agree with all of the arguments for doing so Barry has always been a cultured footballer. A very good centre half, great free kick delivery. With all due respect to Mccarthy he's a physical player. Expecting mccarthy to become a deep lying play breaker who intercepts and pings balls around is like Michael Owen losing his pace and him expecting to become an Alan Shearer line leader. I recall Peter Reid losing his legs... wasn't good. Mccarthy isn't as talented a player as he was. markjazzbassist 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted July 15, 2016 Report Share Posted July 15, 2016 Barry has always been a cultured footballer. A very good centre half, great free kick delivery. With all due respect to Mccarthy he's a physical player. Expecting mccarthy to become a deep lying play breaker who intercepts and pings balls around is like Michael Owen losing his pace and him expecting to become an Alan Shearer line leader. I recall Peter Reid losing his legs... wasn't good. Mccarthy isn't as talented a player as he was. spot on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted July 15, 2016 Report Share Posted July 15, 2016 I don't think he needs to be pinging balls about, just pass it on to a player further forward like he always has done. I honestly don't think we'll sell him anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Btay Posted July 15, 2016 Report Share Posted July 15, 2016 Can't agree enough with all of this. Barry has that intelligence about his place that saves him 2 yards of pace in most situations. As said his hamstrings look to have taken his strongest attributes away and if we get an offer id take it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC11 Posted July 16, 2016 Report Share Posted July 16, 2016 What gave McCarthy his edge was his mobility - I said when we got him that he would give us what Fellaini couldn't and that was a snapping "mobile" presence in midfield rather than a 6ft5 non specific midfielder who jogged around like a basketball player. Fellaini was one of the most dribbled past players in the league - whilst he was a good goal threat he wasn't a midfielder. McCarthy's mobility made a night and day difference to the team, he could cover the full back using great acceleration against wingers - had the stamina to do the same in the centre. Without that pace and ability to change direction that he had I do not think he is worth keeping - not for the potential money we could get. Witsel would be an upgrade albeit very similar in a "boring" sense. Witsel is a much better "footballer" than McCarthy. The difference is night and day. Witsel can go past players and operate further up the field as well as sitting deep and breaking up play. He can "go both ways". Barry & McCarthy have limited us massively in the middle of the park. They aren't good enough it's as simple as that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted July 16, 2016 Report Share Posted July 16, 2016 Barry has always been a cultured footballer. A very good centre half, great free kick delivery. With all due respect to Mccarthy he's a physical player. Expecting mccarthy to become a deep lying play breaker who intercepts and pings balls around is like Michael Owen losing his pace and him expecting to become an Alan Shearer line leader. I recall Peter Reid losing his legs... wasn't good. Mccarthy isn't as talented a player as he was. ill take your word on it, wasn't paying Barry much attention when he was younger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete0 Posted July 16, 2016 Report Share Posted July 16, 2016 ill take your word on it, wasn't paying Barry much attention when he was youngerHe was a competent winger, similar to Kilbane but better in the ball. Switch to the middle showed his real talent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted July 16, 2016 Report Share Posted July 16, 2016 He was a competent winger, similar to Kilbane but better in the ball. Switch to the middle showed his real talent.winger?! Must've had some speed then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanmckenzieismagic Posted July 16, 2016 Author Report Share Posted July 16, 2016 [emoji23][emoji23][emoji23][emoji23] Barry could never have played as a winger, even in his prime Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC11 Posted July 16, 2016 Report Share Posted July 16, 2016 Was going to post something about that myself but wasn't 100% sure with him playing a few games at LB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Blue Posted July 16, 2016 Report Share Posted July 16, 2016 Thought he was a left back originally? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted July 16, 2016 Report Share Posted July 16, 2016 He played left midfield. Not as a winger though.... pretty much like the way moyes played Rodwell out wide. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted July 16, 2016 Report Share Posted July 16, 2016 Makes sense, got him minutes in game if nothing wlse Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baba Posted August 23, 2016 Report Share Posted August 23, 2016 Sounds like speculation with little foundation and is mentioned in another thread, but reference here to McCarthy being on his way soon: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2016/08/22/everton-in-talks-to-sign-deportivo-la-coruna-forward-lucas-perez/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanmckenzieismagic Posted August 25, 2016 Author Report Share Posted August 25, 2016 http://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/540757/Newcastle-Everton-swap-deal-James-McCarthy-Moussa-Sissoko Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted August 25, 2016 Report Share Posted August 25, 2016 Rather keep McCarthy MikeO 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanmckenzieismagic Posted August 25, 2016 Author Report Share Posted August 25, 2016 Depending on the money involved I would be tempted to take a punt on Sissoko chicagoblue and markjazzbassist 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted August 25, 2016 Report Share Posted August 25, 2016 Depending on the money involved I would be tempted to take a punt on Sissoko agreed, but i'd rather just sell mccarthy outright and buy someone else to replace him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted August 25, 2016 Report Share Posted August 25, 2016 Depending on the money involved I would be tempted to take a punt on Sissoko i get that but honestly I don't think he'd work for us Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanmckenzieismagic Posted August 25, 2016 Author Report Share Posted August 25, 2016 i get that but honestly I don't think he'd work for us I wouldn't say I was exactly over excited at the prospect but MCCarthy looks finished so wouldn't be a loss markjazzbassist 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted August 25, 2016 Report Share Posted August 25, 2016 I wouldn't say I was exactly over excited at the prospect but MCCarthy looks finished so wouldn't be a loss not convinced. He'll have to change his approach but Koeman basically said that's exactly what he expects. Think he could be redeveloped - he's training and playing with one of the best in Barry, and he's still young. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanmckenzieismagic Posted August 27, 2016 Author Report Share Posted August 27, 2016 https://ninetyminutesonline.com/crystal-palace-linked-18m-move-everton-star/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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