Romey 1878 Posted March 20, 2015 Report Share Posted March 20, 2015 http://www.itv.com/news/update/2015-03-20/martinez-refuses-to-blame-everton-defending/? And this is why he worries me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EFC-Paul Posted March 20, 2015 Report Share Posted March 20, 2015 http://www.itv.com/news/update/2015-03-20/martinez-refuses-to-blame-everton-defending/? And this is why he worries me. I can understand the lack of public scrutiny from time to time from managers but he really needs to either grow a back bone and say we simply weren't good enough I got it wrong etc or he needs his head testing if he genuinely believes that was the case Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newty82 Posted March 20, 2015 Report Share Posted March 20, 2015 http://www.itv.com/news/update/2015-03-20/martinez-refuses-to-blame-everton-defending/? And this is why he worries me. Selective quotes from the journo? Reads different here, although the headline doesn't quite match with the comments... http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/31978058 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowensda Posted March 20, 2015 Author Report Share Posted March 20, 2015 Bahaha. 3 of the goals were great finishes but shouldn't have been afforded time and space. The other two were tap ins, as a result of Arse and Elbow defending. Blame the defence. Talk straight. Get the fuck over yourself man. We see it, don't try and kid, rectify it for the next game. So disappointed in last night. Most hurt I've felt for a while. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete0 Posted March 20, 2015 Report Share Posted March 20, 2015 Bahaha. 3 of the goals were great finishes but shouldn't have been afforded time and space. The other two were tap ins, as a result of Arse and Elbow defending. Blame the defence. Talk straight. Get the fuck over yourself man. We see it, don't try and kid, rectify it for the next game. So disappointed in last night. Most hurt I've felt for a while. If the defence had any bollocks I don't think we would have been caught out by any of them goals. It's sickening, I'd like to see Howard, Jags, alcaraz, Coleman, and barry all dropped for qpr. But manager moyes 2.0 is too stubborn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seve Posted March 20, 2015 Report Share Posted March 20, 2015 with moyes we could defend, with Martinez we can attack they are both one trick pony's maybe put them together we might get a team that can do both we need someone who can do both we have seen this before with KK at Newcastle good team won nothing could not defend we need a manager who can do both maybe billic not sure about laudrup maybe a young British man a few good candidates out there last nights goals were all down to poor defending goals 1 & 5 good shots but no one closed them down defending is not just around the 18yd box goals 2,3,4. were just sunday league defending nothing else, and for RM to say it was not poor defending but great finishing just shows us nothing will change the team will stay the same, I don't know how long its going to the penny to drop with bill but this is wigan all over again, we wont go down but with that team we should at least be challenging for European spot all those defenders have not become bad defenders overnight so its got to the mentality installed from above and the complete disrespect for anything defensive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddock Posted March 20, 2015 Report Share Posted March 20, 2015 http://www.itv.com/news/update/2015-03-20/martinez-refuses-to-blame-everton-defending/? And this is why he worries me. That is why I want him gone. What must the players be thinking when he comes out with absolte shit like that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddock Posted March 20, 2015 Report Share Posted March 20, 2015 (edited) Here's an absolute gem from him from last night.. Talking about our defence last night... "I do not think it is the personnel, but as a team. Dynamo built a lot of momentum with their crowd, rather than us being to blame." So it was the crowd that made our defence play like a Sunday pub team on Buckley Hill. Has he any idea how much of a dickhead he makes himself and Everton look saying stuff like this!! Edited March 20, 2015 by Paddock Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newty82 Posted March 20, 2015 Report Share Posted March 20, 2015 What Martinez said in full... "A couple of times we made defensive mistakes, but there was also some incredible finishing," "Once we scored the away goal, I thought we would be stronger and tighter in our performance, but it was the kind of night where everything they tried went into the back of the net," said Martinez. "I agree there were instances when we could have defended better, but there is not a lot you can do about goals that go right into the top corner." "I think it is a case of the whole team not defending well enough," added Martinez. "I don't think it was a case of the personnel, but as a team. Dynamo built a lot of momentum with their crowd rather than us being to blame." I don't think Martinez is saying that we defended well? Or good enough? I must admit that last part I am wondering if there should be a full stop after 'personnel'. Although I'm not sure what it means entirely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brett Angel Posted March 20, 2015 Report Share Posted March 20, 2015 That is why I want him gone. What must the players be thinking when he comes out with absolte shit like that In fairness to bobby I think I was a bit of both. Bad defending yes, but I did think when I wad watching it was everything at Howard was going in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanmckenzieismagic Posted March 20, 2015 Report Share Posted March 20, 2015 If the defence had any bollocks I don't think we would have been caught out by any of them goals. It's sickening, I'd like to see Howard, Jags, alcaraz, Coleman, and barry all dropped for qpr. But manager moyes 2.0 is too stubborn. Don't agree with Jags and Coleman, and anyway who are you going to bring in? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chalkpie Posted March 20, 2015 Report Share Posted March 20, 2015 We all know that RM and his silly stubborn ways and tactics sucks moosecock at this point., Its a fuckin joke. But then we also look at the players, and realistically place some of the blame on their shoulders. But when I look at the dreadful shite defence we had against Kiev, I'm not fully convinced it is the players fault(s). Its beginning to look to me like he is not adept to training the players correctly, and the result is, well, 5-2. I am a classical musician, so I look at it this way: I have seen the same world-class orchestras perform the same pieces with (virtually) the same players. The difference the conductor makes is beyond what I could try and explain here - it would take pages. The change at the top makes all of the difference in the world in a symphony orchestra, so why is football any different? If the same orchestra kept on making shitty recordings, well folks would stop buying the albums/CD's and stop going to see the live performances. Enter new conductor, and all of this has the potential to change. A superb conductor can make even an average level orchestra sound great, whereas a poor conductor will make an high level orchestra sound mediocre to shitty. Want proof: Sir Simon Rattle has arguably one of the best orchestras at his disposal (Berliner Philharmoniker), and they have produced many shite recordings. Not the players fault. The Minnesota Orchestra under the direction of Eiji Oue made a (once) mediocre orchestra sound world-class, one of the best during their heyday. It can be done with the right captain steering the ship. We need a new conductor. Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted March 20, 2015 Report Share Posted March 20, 2015 We all know that RM and his silly stubborn ways and tactics sucks moosecock at this point., Its a fuckin joke. But then we also look at the players, and realistically place some of the blame on their shoulders. But when I look at the dreadful shite defence we had against Kiev, I'm not fully convinced it is the players fault(s). Its beginning to look to me like he is not adept to training the players correctly, and the result is, well, 5-2. I am a classical musician, so I look at it this way: I have seen the same world-class orchestras perform the same pieces with (virtually) the same players. The difference the conductor makes is beyond what I could try and explain here - it would take pages. The change at the top makes all of the difference in the world in a symphony orchestra, so why is football any different? If the same orchestra kept on making shitty recordings, well folks would stop buying the albums/CD's and stop going to see the live performances. Enter new conductor, and all of this has the potential to change. A superb conductor can make even an average level orchestra sound great, whereas a poor conductor will make an high level orchestra sound mediocre to shitty. Want proof: Sir Simon Rattle has arguably one of the best orchestras at his disposal (Berliner Philharmoniker), and they have produced many shite recordings. Not the players fault. The Minnesota Orchestra under the direction of Eiji Oue made a (once) mediocre orchestra sound world-class, one of the best during their heyday. It can be done with the right captain steering the ship. We need a new conductor. I'm from Cleveland, grew up going to see the Cleveland orchestra with my parents. Franz welser most is a great conductor! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanmckenzieismagic Posted March 20, 2015 Report Share Posted March 20, 2015 http://www.theguardian.com/football/2015/mar/20/leighton-baines-everton-futures-euro-exit-dynamo-Kyiv Everton have only Premier League survival to play for this term following Thursday’s 5-2 defeat at Dynamo Kyiv, where a calamitous defensive display and bewildering selection choices prompted renewed criticism of the manager. That's our season in a nutshell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newty82 Posted March 21, 2015 Report Share Posted March 21, 2015 (edited) Leighton Baines in an interview after euro exit... "We are all frustrated, of course we are, said the left-back. This was a competition that we have enjoyed and wanted to do really well in it. This, ultimately, was all that we had left. We had a great first season under the manager and we were all thinking that we would push on. We had all the confidence in the world and I dont think anyone would have foreseen the way things have gone this season. We had been upbeat and positive and it just hasnt been a good season." I've had a long running feeling that we started this season far to confident and cocky after last season. And even as the poor season continued, the players just thought it would sort itself out. So do Martinez. Over confidence is not a good thing in any walk of life. There's a huge lesson in itself. Edited March 21, 2015 by Newty82 Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chalkpie Posted March 21, 2015 Report Share Posted March 21, 2015 I'm from Cleveland, grew up going to see the Cleveland orchestra with my parents. Franz welser most is a great conductor! Yes he is! Great under Boulez too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanmckenzieismagic Posted March 21, 2015 Report Share Posted March 21, 2015 http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/roberto-martinez-labels-antolin-alcaraz-8889262 Sorry Roberto but your talking shite, even if you defend badly as a team you expect your CB to be able to do the basics like come and head a ball and put the odd tackle in. Alcaraz is finished at this club We need to recall Stones immediately and if we manage a win tomorrow the season is over so if we get any injuries we need to be putting Galloway or Browning in ahead of Alcaraz to give them first team experience. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted March 21, 2015 Report Share Posted March 21, 2015 http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/roberto-martinez-labels-antolin-alcaraz-8889262 Sorry Roberto but your talking shite, even if you defend badly as a team you expect your CB to be able to do the basics like come and head a ball and put the odd tackle in. Alcaraz is finished at this club We need to recall Stones immediately and if we manage a win tomorrow the season is over so if we get any injuries we need to be putting Galloway or Browning in ahead of Alcaraz to give them first team experience. That's quite frightening. He wasn't left exposed, he fucking exposed himself like some fella down the park in a brown coat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted March 21, 2015 Report Share Posted March 21, 2015 I'm from Cleveland, grew up going to see the Cleveland orchestra with my parents. Franz welser most is a great conductor! But... -Does he know the offside rule? -Is he available? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddock Posted March 21, 2015 Report Share Posted March 21, 2015 That's quite frightening. He wasn't left exposed, he fucking exposed himself like some fella down the park in a brown coat. Again he blurts out these stupid comments. If he really believes all this shite he talks then he needs to start looking at a new career. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted March 21, 2015 Report Share Posted March 21, 2015 But... -Does he know the offside rule? -Is he available? Haha nope. On contract couple mil a year with the Cleveland orchestra and in summers he does the Vienna bit. Cleveland orchestra is a top 5 in the world orchestra. And yes chalk pie Pierre Boulez was fantastic! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted April 6, 2015 Report Share Posted April 6, 2015 well given the recent form i've recinded my request to have him sacked. i'll give him the summer and hope for top 7-10 by december. also i'm hoping for better buys in the summer and to see a lot of guys go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chalkpie Posted April 6, 2015 Report Share Posted April 6, 2015 well given the recent form i've recinded my request to have him sacked. What's with the crazy talk?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted April 6, 2015 Report Share Posted April 6, 2015 What's with the crazy talk?! bill k called me the other day, i told him to tear up the pink slip, he can stay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanmckenzieismagic Posted April 6, 2015 Report Share Posted April 6, 2015 http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/everton-boss-roberto-martinez-insists-8988987 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted April 6, 2015 Report Share Posted April 6, 2015 http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/everton-boss-roberto-martinez-insists-8988987 April Fool's Day has been and gone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornish Steve Posted April 6, 2015 Report Share Posted April 6, 2015 well given the recent form i've recinded my request to have him sacked. i'll give him the summer and hope for top 7-10 by december. also i'm hoping for better buys in the summer and to see a lot of guys go. December? At this point, I expect to be in that range by the end of the season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted April 6, 2015 Report Share Posted April 6, 2015 December? At this point, I expect to be in that range by the end of the season. mathematically i think 8 is the best we can do. soton, shite, spurs have to get 4-5 points to eliminate us from 5-6. 4 points from 7 matches, it's going to happen. i would love us to go on a run and finish well though steve, but 5-6 ain't happening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted April 6, 2015 Report Share Posted April 6, 2015 mathematically i think 8 is the best we can do. soton, shite, spurs have to get 4-5 points to eliminate us from 5-6. 4 points from 7 matches, it's going to happen. i would love us to go on a run and finish well though steve, but 5-6 ain't happening. How did 7th-10th (what Steve was talking about) become 5th-6th? Mathematically we can finish fifth btw . American education system needs to have a look at itself . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted April 6, 2015 Report Share Posted April 6, 2015 How did 7th-10th (what Steve was talking about) become 5th-6th? Mathematically we can finish fifth btw . American education system needs to have a look at itself . missed that mike sorry alright for 5th then! here we go non-stubborn roberto! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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